A request for advice.

[Checkbox Poll]

If you really want to get better at FCing you're going to need master the use of interdictors eventually, it's what separates an alright FC from a great one. One Sabre or Heretic can take you from blueballs and a bunch of idiots waddling around with erections to slaughterism in the blink of an eye. But this is advanced shit, just get used to calling primaries and figuring out what's important to kill quickly.

This is one thing that's very hard to do. One misplaced bubble and you can end up fucking your entire fleet. Low sec is good for practicing fcing w/o the danger of bubbles but you also have to prowl around areas where people actually live as most of low sec seems vacant.

Other things that make good FCs:

Being able to distribute responsibilities. I've noticed in my times in CFC and PL fleets there's a fair amount of distribution of responsibility. One person might be the anchor for DPS, another for logistics, while one person is dedicated to probing for warpins (lenid :swoon: ) and another person might be calling targets. It's hard to do that alone and even if you do, you risk getting tunnel vision one thing and losing sight of the fact that you're about to take a hard cock up the ass.

[Some Market Dude]

Being able to distribute responsibilities. I've noticed in my times in CFC and PL fleets there's a fair amount of distribution of responsibility. One person might be the anchor for DPS, another for logistics, while one person is dedicated to probing for warpins (lenid :swoon and another person might be calling targets. It's hard to do that alone and even if you do, you risk getting tunnel vision one thing and losing sight of the fact that you're about to take a hard cock up the ass.

Yup. I always tried to push the concept of FCing being a team effort, especially as you get beyond small gangs into actual fleets. It's also a great way for junior FCs to get experience with bigger fleets without all the stress of being the main FC. I feel there's a natural progression from dps/logi to scout/bubbler/anchor etc, and it's a good system for keeping you vets interested and challenged while also getting as many people as possible involved as much as possible in FCing.

[Magere]

This is one thing that's very hard to do. One misplaced bubble and you can end up fucking your entire fleet. Low sec is good for practicing fcing w/o the danger of bubbles but you also have to prowl around areas where people actually live as most of low sec seems vacant.

Note I didn't say who would get slaughtered~

[Themick]

I know I said this already, but a really appreciate the tips you guys are telling me.

Had a few fleets today, and almost took down a Tempest with a small cruiser gang. Only lost frigate tackle and would have took the Tempest but he had a Falcon buddy show up and was able to escape. Our guys were pumped up for a while over that one.

It gets frustrating at times, no lie though. I like the dudes I am in corp with but at times it feels like we are trying to do too much at once with the game and lack focus. vOv

[Falconberger]

Set a goal then, dude. Choose something that's achievable but not a cakewalk and communicate it to everyone, letting them know how they can help to make it happen. Even if it's as simple as 'to run fifteen fleets this month and get 10 kills and set up regular honour fights with 'x' alliance/corporation', if people know what you're trying to do they will understand when you tell them where to be and what ship to be sitting in when you leave. If you make the month's quota, up the figures and push your PvP team that bit further. Eventually you'll reach a natural break even point where you're operating at your current maximum efficiency and you can take a step back and assess what's holding you back.

If you ever need a prober on one of your fleets, let me know. I've got a guy that I've been training up specifically to get into that side of PvP that I'd be happy to tag along. Also, you should definitely take Grogoth up on his offer. You'll whelp, but I'm sure that they'll chat with you afterwards and tell you why.

[Themick]

Yeah I have been meaning to do that, but made the mistake of letting someone know who Grogoth and co are and had to put down a coward.

Now that that is settle I can move forward a bit.

[Grogoth]

Happy to help

[Themick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3VVF...=youtu.be&hd=1


My corpmates are dorks.\


Fuck I love these guys...

[Don Peyote]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3VVF...=youtu.be&hd=1


My corpmates are dorks.\


Fuck I love these guys...

Why are those shuttles just floating there?

[Themick]

Alright so basically the backstory with that is we live in a highsec system and one of our fellow residents decided to start attacking some of our newbs back in September or so. We eventually ganked a Hulk and told them to stop. They didn't. We commenced messing with them at every opportunity, stuff like owning them in wardecs, getting them kicked out of an alliance they tried to join, etc.

With the pos, we noticed it was a large source of income for them so it now gets attacked every time they reconfigure it and turn the labs back on. We're not very interested in knocking it down, since they are content to leave it up and spend isk keeping it running while it isn't producing squat.


Their idea was to stage shuttles outside of their pos in blobs to decloak us....because they think we keep eyes on the pos 24/7 or some shit.

They're pretty fail and have a bloated sense of greatness. Proof: http://ubuntu.killmail.org/index.php...ll_id=13469762

That is their CEO. He says that the standard drake fit that we use(pretty much not that hard to fit a standard pvp drake imo) is fail and that is a much better fit....yeah.

It's entertainment for our new guys lately, because the last time we dec'd them, he went out in cormorants repeatedly and was raped not just a few times by 2-week newbs, one guy in particular used a t1 fit thrasher to get a kill when he came into the newb's mission system.

[Don Peyote]

Don't know how you guys are managing to make highsec look fun, but keep it up B)

If you do want to annoy them next wardec, just use stealth bombers to attack their tower - I'll bet it isn't even stronted, but if it is, having a tower in reinforce mode would probably put the shitters on a highsec corp like that.

[Bowkers]

Yeah that made me chuckle that vid.

[Themick]

Yeah it is stronted unfortunately, somebody in the corp, or maybe even a former member wasn't completely retarded. I had an idea though, now clue if it works:

Undock a bunch of ibises, attack the guns on the tower so there would be 100000 notifications that it is under attack, but I don't know it the notification goes out when the first blow is struck or when a mod reaches a certain %.

Also knocked down a POCO they had about a month or so ago and made sure to get one of those Gantries and contract it to his corp for the jita price plus one trit.

As for making highsec look fun, I think it has more to do with the guys I fly with being cool as shit more than anything. When we figure stuff out down the line and get into more aspects of null, the same attitude will, I believe, allow us to do well there.

[Bowkers]

Aye. If you have a chill attitude that goes a long way.

[Rer]

Makes working together with other people a lot easier if you don't go in with a massive ego that you can't back up. Being has its own rewards haha.

[Themick]

Yeah, we have a good group I believe, even to the point where peeps who have unsubscribed still get on comms and a few who have left corp come on and bs with us still.

That and the fact that we take newbies and train them on a one on one basis helps bring the pilots together and closer knit.

[Manfred Hideous]

holders can be outright stupid.

Nothing more to add, should have killed the idiots and paid the standard "oops" ship hull reimbursment with a smile on your face. I am sure at least Arakas would support your cause..

To be honest i am getting fed up with most people here and would love to see more "let's go out and play" - type corporations with us, but if you come back for a brawl instead i'd be delighted as well. Most people either want to win by outblobbing or dock up, so i can not promise "fair fights".

Any way, good luck with your corporation!

You could always start a new scrub(bier) pilot corp for people who simply don't give a shit. Hell, I'd think about joining a like minded holder corp where the main requirement is "engage". People might even be able to complain about being blueballed.

I'd have to resub, though and It's too nice outside just now.

[Themick]

The problem with that is finding people to shoot. It is a pain trying to gatecamp in provi due to nrds and roaming is almost as bad down there It is an atmosphere that promotes carebears and people to basically gank said carebears, but since we have buds down there(nothing official, just individual pilots have friends there and crap) we have a place that does seem to be a good target rich area but we just aren't willing to touch.

[Barry Zuckerkorn]

The problem with that is finding people to shoot. It is a pain trying to gatecamp in provi due to nrds and roaming is almost as bad down there It is an atmosphere that promotes carebears and people to basically gank said carebears, but since we have buds down there(nothing official, just individual pilots have friends there and crap) we have a place that does seem to be a good target rich area but we just aren't willing to touch.

Before I give my advice let me say that many of the best FC's in the game browse kugu and because I am bad you might want to take my advice with a grain of salt as they have the power to drag any illusion of myself having skill as a FC to the dumpster (where my 'skills' currently reside).

-Make dotland print outs of the areas you frequent. Often times when making quick decisions it can be harder to maintain situational awareness of the big picture. Especially if you go to unfamiliar areas. And if you have any useful information you can mark it on your printed off map. For example "Bad posters Home System" "Bad posters Jump Bridge from X to Y system" "POS located at V IIX(or whatever)".

- Before you engage something too good to be true you could try and run a eve-kill check to see if ITS A TRAP.

- It sounds corny but try and be consistent when using terminology during the issuing of fleet commands. For example if you mean to say "Warp to X Stargate and Hold" don't just say "Warp to the gate" unless everyone is on the same page. Often fleets go bad when their is confusion and assumptions as to what the fleet commander was trying to get across. Also if you have international pilots who don't speak your language as a primary language try and issue your commands in a calm, cool, collected manner, slow enough for them to understand some of the fucked up names in this game.

-If you are having trouble finding targets, try and plan an event for your pilots. "EVE SHOOTOUT DEATH RACE 2012: GET FIGHTS OR DIE TRYING". Pick a region where players are active, set destination and start going till you all die or get some kills. Also jazz it up by placing small prizes for who dies first, who dies last, etc, etc. Also the second one should be called, "EVE SHOOTOUT DEATH RACE 2012: GET FIGHTS OR DIE TRYING 2 ELECTRIC BOOGALOO".

Good luck and hope this helps!

[Rer]

Someone really needs to set up a Death Race Event around Null, I feel like it'd be really fun (and so, so easy to cheat with xD)

[Don Peyote]

Before I give my advice let me say that many of the best FC's in the game browse kugu and because I am bad you might want to take my advice with a grain of salt as they have the power to drag any illusion of myself having skill as a FC to the dumpster (where my 'skills' currently reside).

-Make dotland print outs of the areas you frequent. Often times when making quick decisions it can be harder to maintain situational awareness of the big picture. Especially if you go to unfamiliar areas. And if you have any useful information you can mark it on your printed off map. For example "Bad posters Home System" "Bad posters Jump Bridge from X to Y system" "POS located at V IIX(or whatever)".

- Before you engage something too good to be true you could try and run a eve-kill check to see if ITS A TRAP.

- It sounds corny but try and be consistent when using terminology during the issuing of fleet commands. For example if you mean to say "Warp to X Stargate and Hold" don't just say "Warp to the gate" unless everyone is on the same page. Often fleets go bad when their is confusion and assumptions as to what the fleet commander was trying to get across. Also if you have international pilots who don't speak your language as a primary language try and issue your commands in a calm, cool, collected manner, slow enough for them to understand some of the fucked up names in this game.

-If you are having trouble finding targets, try and plan an event for your pilots. "EVE SHOOTOUT DEATH RACE 2012: GET FIGHTS OR DIE TRYING". Pick a region where players are active, set destination and start going till you all die or get some kills. Also jazz it up by placing small prizes for who dies first, who dies last, etc, etc. Also the second one should be called, "EVE SHOOTOUT DEATH RACE 2012: GET FIGHTS OR DIE TRYING 2 ELECTRIC BOOGALOO".

Good luck and hope this helps!

This is great advice and now I really want to go on a death race with you Barry Zuckerkorn

Someone really needs to set up a Death Race Event around Null, I feel like it'd be really fun (and so, so easy to cheat with xD)

I think someone tried to during the war for Fountain(?) and it ended up getting bubbled and hotdropped

[Themick]

I think someone tried to during the war for Fountain(?) and it ended up getting bubbled and hotdropped

I think our guys would be even more interested because of that...Especially if I offer up a nice reward or two to the dudes that make it....Maybe some sort of deathrun from aridia passing through 1dh to eventually end up in 319...winner gets something very shiny.


Thanks Barry, I'll have to plan that out for our dudes now I think.

[Frederick Garrish]

Wow, this is the most enjoyable thread I've found so far. Thank you for starting it! I learned a lot myself.

I'm right there with you, man. It's great to see the advice here. Thought I'd throw a few things in myself that is helping me with my current quest to do the same.

First, join a null-sec alliance. I recommend doing it with an alt, so you can keep your corp going, I ended up doing it with my main though cuz my corp fell apart. I spent a year in Gentlemen's agreement and learned a lot. Get experience living out there and see what other alliances does that works for them, and ask yourself why does it work for them?

Second, claim some space. A lot of people advised about Curse and Syndicate, those are both really good regions to do this in. I more recommend Curse though. Take your whole corp there, prolly a mission system or something so they can make isk, and get them in the habit of defending that system. Any time a neut comes into system, warp to pos or station and reship. I find it doesn't matter if you can beat them or not, just showing a force does a lot. A maybe good idea that seems to be working out ok for us is renting. It sucks and you're treated like trash, but you don't have to worry about kicking out the current residents (cuz let's face it, if the system doesn't have defenders. chances are it's a crap system) and you don't really have anyone to answer to about killboard stats or politics or anything. It brings your corp/alliance more together in times of crisis cuz all you have to rely on is each other.

Make friends. Get honor brawls going, Have people to ask for advice. Learn about all the different entities out there. Work on diplomacy. It's very important.

Another very important piece of advice imo, find a way to make isk for your corp and work towards ship reimbursement. This is a bit difficult, but moons aren't the only source of income. Setting up pocos both brings in income and gives your guys something to do. Do corp mining ops or corp ratting ops with tax @ 100%. Contrary to popular belief, people do like working with each other to accomplish goals. Plus it gives content.

Which, in the long run, that's the most important part. Bring content for your players. Give them a reason to log on. That's why regularly scheduled roams are good, cuz people know when to be on. People wont care about getting their ships blown up as long as they have fun.

Just my two cents and what I've learned so far. Hope it helps you some

[Rer]

Setting up pocos both brings in income and gives your guys something to do.

Just to add to this. I took some POCOs in LowSec with the help of a few friends (just to speed it up). No one has attacked them since vOv, and its literally just me owning them. I took a gamble given that the standard ones from when POCOs were introduced were there (The Interbus 15% ones) and figured if no one else had bothered why not give it a go.

I've since made a small sum of cash, working towards paying back for the POCOs themselves, but if no one gives a damn about taking them down it might be a nice little ISK faucet. Nothing huge, but for the little effort required in putting them up it might be something to consider.

Edit: And yea I guess Sisi does kinda kill some of the drama~

[Rob]

Here's another UBU vid. Figured I should post this before Themick posts it. This is from our most recent highsec war. Enjoy!


Also Best viewed in 1080p!

[Themick]

Thank yous go out to Sniggwaffe for giving us the chance to do a frigate brawl. Our pilots had a whole bunch of fun. I was unable to participate due to my computer shitting the bed, but from what I heard our guys enjoyed themselves are thankful for the opportunity to face a much more experienced group like that in a laid back environment!