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    PK and Makalu are both semen-chugging faggots, and the only reason they still have space is because no one can be bothered to kick them out of their shitholes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krutoj View Post
    I had nothing to post about, am no Evil Thug to just run my mouth whenever like a rabbit nobody wanted dog...
    I guess the votes you raked up on Kugu did not legally bind you to do some updates on what was going on in the CSM.

    It would have been nice though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richter Belmont View Post
    PK and Makalu are both semen-chugging faggots, and the only reason they still have space is because no one can be bothered to kick them out of their shitholes.
    recent history suggest otherwise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richter Belmont View Post
    I had nothing to add to this thread so I thought I'd shitpost some more
    You gonna bring some more drakefleets to C3N?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endie View Post
    It's not about e-hono(u)r: if you keep being humiliated then only those people who are comfortable with being humiliated will stick around. What you see with AAA is that good FCs aren't generally humble, so you end up with the PKs of Eve.
    CFC learned long ago the best defense against this was to have some masochist FCs and literally haze the shit out of them and get them to enjoy welping to keep them going.

    Take note Southern Bloc and get your personnel in order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agathor View Post
    I guess the votes you raked up on Kugu did not legally bind you to do some updates on what was going on in the CSM.

    It would have been nice though.
    You really need just 1 member to post and there were 4 =s Also it was either that or breaching NDA >.<
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    Quote Originally Posted by WNxWolfy View Post
    You gonna bring some more drakefleets to C3N?
    Yeah sure. Let me get unsick first and I'll get to brawling.

    VCRUZ is actually quite cool about it - they funnel their oracles into my drakes and I feed their zealots with Hurricanes. It's a symbiotic relationship with tons of potential of goodfites.

    And unlike your average nulli metagaming faggotshit tryhard FC, they just undock and fight. It's quite cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richter Belmont View Post
    PK and Makalu are both semen-chugging faggots, and the only reason they still have space is because no one can be bothered to kick them out of their shitholes.
    Imma let you finish but somebody (PL/Goons/RA) pledges annually to remove -A- from nullsec and fails, it's exactly why Mittens has such a throbbing hard-on for destructible stations. So here you are, once again trollposting that nobody cares about -A- when you're in fact feeding into the cult of personality that is -A-'s never-ending blueball of successful nullsec entities.

    GREAT JAERB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richter Belmont View Post
    Yeah sure. Let me get unsick first and I'll get to brawling.

    VCRUZ is actually quite cool about it - they funnel their oracles into my drakes and I feed their zealots with Hurricanes. It's a symbiotic relationship with tons of potential of goodfites.

    And unlike your average nulli metagaming faggotshit tryhard FC, they just undock and fight. It's quite cool.
    Richter has a point, Nulli is a bit asshole-ish on greeting peeps that come and visit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richter Belmont View Post
    PK and Makalu are both semen-chugging faggots, and the only reason they still have space is because no one can be bothered to kick them out of their shitholes.
    What do you know about chugging semen?

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    Jimmies were rustled, it appears that hell hath no wrath like a richter primaried. Still waiting for the killmails to come in but the FC told us specifically not to primary richter and he still died 3 times

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    Hey, that's a tactical advantage gained through a strategic posting initiative. Now just put that faggot in a brick-tanked hic and W-listed, then let him soak up their spacerage.

    Side advantage of being able to play off the awful posting like that was the plan all along.

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    Good fight Richter, thanks for undocking and engaging. Been waiting for a true test of Gilafleet for 3 weeks now. And yes, as Wolfy pointed out I specifically told the fleet *not* to shoot you. Some advice though, when you order fleet to undock delay your own undock by a few seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richter Belmont View Post
    PK and Makalu are both semen-chugging faggots, and the only reason they still have space is because no one can be bothered to kick them out of their shitholes.
    God forgives, -A- does not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilmar Keller View Post
    Imma let you finish but somebody (PL/Goons/RA) pledges annually to remove -A- from nullsec and fails, it's exactly why Mittens has such a throbbing hard-on for destructible stations. So here you are, once again trollposting that nobody cares about -A- when you're in fact feeding into the cult of personality that is -A-'s never-ending blueball of successful nullsec entities.

    GREAT JAERB.
    Its hard to keep kicking -A- back to Stain, cause they keep recruiting all the other alliances that get raped on the way. Ex CVA ex Atals Ex NC ex ex. ..ex ...ex ... my God do they suck failed alliances ex corps through a straw or what. I mean what's left of -A- original state? A few RUS directors? Might as well be in the same state RA is, with all the old players gone for good. I tell you what -A- is nowadays, a blowfish, gets beat down to a small fish in Stain and then expands territories and numbers through sucking all in.
    Why did man invent a flashlight? They should have gotten -A- to a design a blowfishlight based on their record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canaris View Post
    Good fight Richter, thanks for undocking and engaging. Been waiting for a true test of Gilafleet for 3 weeks now. And yes, as Wolfy pointed out I specifically told the fleet *not* to shoot you. Some advice though, when you order fleet to undock delay your own undock by a few seconds.

    Preliminary BRdoc report: http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=7955
    You ofc ran when PL came in to sys.... giving them time for only one bomb run.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodnovick View Post
    Ehm no, supercaps don't affect subcaps as much as they used to. Winning the subcap fight with enemy supers on grid is much more feasible now and everybody knows what happens to unsupported caps.
    supers (supercarriers couldnt do this since they lost their non fighterbays) and titans(they do about twice the dps of a as arty tempest with full blap fit agains armor bs last I tried, vollying for around 4k a shot) cant rly do too much damage agains sub cap FLEETS besides the initsial shock and awe dps from fighters (to they die really fast to focused fired and then its all GG after that).

    So yeah, if you loose the sub cap fight, and the supers are defanged , its all gg if you can break their logi RR. What supers can do however, is provide RR, close range dps, anti enemy capital dps(obvious) ecm burst(tho this tends to work as a double edges sword if each side support fleet is entangled in closeup brawls). Most supers shouldnt(and prob wont) provide fighter dps futher out than 40-50km(unless your clearly winning and enemy is more buzy bailing or you are very desperate) which is their effective tackling range. so as long as the hostile fleet works from outside this "close defensive proximitre" of officer neuts and webs they are home free to do whatever they like as long as they win the subcap fight.

    Supers are really good at ganking unorginized fools tho, and good at supporting slowcats which is the real "subcap" killer atm. tracking dreads works aswell, but I personally think slowcats are more "stable" at providing dps. (tracking dreads tend to miss a lot, much like the old blap titans did)

    so a supergay TDR: Much like a stuka ,a super/titan rules when bombing unorginized polish farmers fleeing to the hills but it sucks in "real" air dogfights agains people with a clue.
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    Wow you need to hire a copy editor. Fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildside View Post
    ecm burst(tho this tends to work as a double edges sword if each side support fleet is entangled in closeup brawls).
    People who fit Remote ECM Burst in 0.0 shouldnt fly supers, those modules are very specific yet every fucken retard uses it whore on everyone's killmails instead and fucks up logi pilots. In fact, before it was fixed, it used to drop supercapitals lock too, and caused 1 titan to get away, because in lag it took ages to lock and fucken RA motherships kept spamming Remote ECM Burst, dropping locks of other supers that didnt yet set fighters on it.
    So to all mothership pilots out there, you can refit, fit it when you need it ONLY (and by need I mean FC orders you to) otherwise leave it in corp hangar (unless you in low sec ofc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krutoj View Post
    Its hard to keep kicking -A- back to Stain, cause they keep recruiting all the other alliances that get raped on the way. Ex CVA ex Atals Ex NC ex ex. ..ex ...ex ... my God do they suck failed alliances ex corps through a straw or what. I mean what's left of -A- original state? A few RUS directors? Might as well be in the same state RA is, with all the old players gone for good. I tell you what -A- is nowadays, a blowfish, gets beat down to a small fish in Stain and then expands territories and numbers through sucking all in.
    Why did man invent a flashlight? They should have gotten -A- to a design a blowfishlight based on their record.
    Sucking failed alliances through a straw essentially describes every major powerbloc member in EVE right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canaris View Post
    Been waiting for a true test of Gilafleet for 3 weeks now.
    Whoever came up with this Gila fit needs to be flayed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krutoj View Post
    Its hard to keep kicking -A- back to Stain, cause they keep recruiting all the other alliances that get raped on the way. Ex CVA ex Atals Ex NC ex ex. ..ex ...ex ... my God do they suck failed alliances ex corps through a straw or what. I mean what's left of -A- original state? A few RUS directors? Might as well be in the same state RA is, with all the old players gone for good. I tell you what -A- is nowadays, a blowfish, gets beat down to a small fish in Stain and then expands territories and numbers through sucking all in.
    Why did man invent a flashlight? They should have gotten -A- to a design a blowfishlight based on their record.
    You sound jealous of -A- 's roster of champions. After all, no one else in the game can claim to have controlled the South for so long a period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le'Blob View Post
    You sound jealous of -A- 's roster of champions. After all, no one else in the game can claim to have controlled the South for so long a period.
    Are you full blown retard? because you can claim that as your record along with that statement...

    @ihaveahelmet: I know what you saying, but as core corporations go, most power blocks remain the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ihaveahelmet View Post
    Whoever came up with this Gila fit needs to be flayed.
    Only regrettable things about the fit are the thermal/kinetic shield holes and that there's not enough CPU left for decent missile launchers. Otherwise, 90k EHP, 650 DPS, nbd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krutoj View Post
    Are you full blown retard? because you can claim that as your record along with that statement...

    @ihaveahelmet: I know what you saying, but as core corporations go, most power blocks remain the same.
    -A- has absorbed the better parts of Atlas, the NC and a host of other alliances who absolutely dominated the game for years. Who wouldn't want to be in such an alliance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilmar Keller View Post
    Only regrettable things about the fit are the thermal/kinetic shield holes and that there's not enough CPU left for decent missile launchers. Otherwise, 90k EHP, 650 DPS, nbd.
    No it's pants on head retarded and if you can't see why, you're also pants on head retarded.

    Not that this is anything new, in your case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richter Belmont View Post

    And unlike your average nulli metagaming faggotshit tryhard FC.
    Honeybadgers never metagame. Ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le'Blob View Post
    -A- has absorbed the better parts of Atlas, the NC and a host of other alliances who absolutely dominated the game for years. Who wouldn't want to be in such an alliance?
    hahahaha, Phantom and hirr, rulers of Eve. Good one
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    I lost three drakes today. Thousands are bought and sold daily in Jita; my determination is slowed but not stopped.

    I lost my cool and shat the bed multiple times. I also wasn't informed of the -A-/RED gang next door until they were on top of the fleet.

    However I've regrouped myself. Next time you won't be so fortunate, Canaris. I can absolutely assure you this.

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    We at DG Enterprises got a hold of a new Nulli Gila earlier today. Our initial testing impressions were less than satisfactory. We're hoping to test more models in the future in an attempt to rule out operator error.
    [05:28:32] Damienwhat Solette > friend said, if only they didn't have those 2 falcons there, i said they have 3, and he said that just says they don't want to do anything fair, just want to be dicks about it like not normal dicks but big black huge cocks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krutoj View Post
    People who fit Remote ECM Burst in 0.0 shouldnt fly supers, those modules are very specific yet every fucken retard uses it whore on everyone's killmails instead and fucks up logi pilots. In fact, before it was fixed, it used to drop supercapitals lock too, and caused 1 titan to get away, because in lag it took ages to lock and fucken RA motherships kept spamming Remote ECM Burst, dropping locks of other supers that didnt yet set fighters on it.
    So to all mothership pilots out there, you can refit, fit it when you need it ONLY (and by need I mean FC orders you to) otherwise leave it in corp hangar (unless you in low sec ofc).
    It was remote ECM burst that finally broke our a-hac fleet in the NOL supercap brawl a few weeks ago. They are more useful than you think. And it was the neuting the super carriers provided in the AJI fight last week that pushed that fight heavily to one side. When one side has enough supercarriers, the remote ECM burst can be pretty important to the sub cap fight in certain situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by progodlegend View Post
    It was remote ECM burst that finally broke our a-hac fleet in the NOL supercap brawl a few weeks ago. They are more useful than you think. And it was the neuting the super carriers provided in the AJI fight last week that pushed that fight heavily to one side. When one side has enough supercarriers, the remote ECM burst can be pretty important to the sub cap fight in certain situations.
    fit it when you need it ONLY (and by need I mean FC orders you to)
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    even with ecm busting hitting both fleets, the fc calling for the burst have the avantage of knowing when they gonna hit, so he can focus primary booster/anchore/logi after his liking right before the call to ecm bursting happenes. the opposite fc doesnt have this ability unless he sits on both coms or is clearvoyant:P

    also fuck all sub capital scrubs LOL. Tho on a serious note , reffiting during massive fleet fight is not easy(unless you got less than 20 supercaps), specially not when you gotto open corp hangars(as the ecm module doesnt fit into your cargo).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildside View Post
    even with ecm busting hitting both fleets, the fc calling for the burst have the avantage of knowing when they gonna hit, so he can focus primary booster/anchore/logi after his liking right before the call to ecm bursting happenes. the opposite fc doesnt have this ability unless he sits on both coms or is clearvoyant:P

    also fuck all sub capital scrubs LOL. Tho on a serious note , reffiting during massive fleet fight is not easy(unless you got less than 20 supercaps), specially not when you gotto open corp hangars(as the ecm module doesnt fit into your cargo).
    Still butthurt from that time when -A- oracles killed a bunch of PL supers after the nerf I see. Will you ever be able to blob the same now that your precious 20bil ships are now glorified paper weights?

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    i think they're like 26bil now
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    Well at least the officer gear is getting cheaper, one solid benefit of the Incursion nerf is that our carebears are back in the belts and plexes where they fucking belong.

    EDIT: Unless they're in FW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krutoj View Post
    hahahaha, Phantom and hirr, rulers of Eve. Good one
    Don't forget Cobra2k, best JUNIOR FC

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    EDIT: Unless they're in FW
    What's wrong with FW? It's legitimately fun

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    This doesn't really belong in either this thread or the Venal thread but Syndicate is geographically closer to Delve and more people read this thread, so:

    (10:19:41 PM) darashan entered the room.
    (10:20:14 PM) darashan: FA just sded a wyvern in syndicate
    (10:20:40 PM) Nan VanDoom: no honor
    (10:20:48 PM) darashan: http://i.imgur.com/3PVwh.png?1 and that was his fit
    (10:21:06 PM) darashan: the guy got jumped by a local bs fleet of 70ish and started the counter as they hit field

    Edit: Oh, and he apparently lost it because he was solo hitting a POCO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilmar Keller View Post
    EDIT: Unless they're in FW

    Let me tell you about making 300m/hr by pressing "Orbit at 20km".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anaheim View Post
    What's wrong with FW? It's legitimately fun
    It's just that CCP addressed the problem of Incursions being too profitable by nerfing the shit out of them while buffing FW to be even more profitable than Incursions were.

    Yes, it's high-risk ISK, but you're risking a goddamn frigate to do even the high-end sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le'Blob View Post
    Still butthurt from that time when -A- oracles killed a bunch of PL supers after the nerf I see. Will you ever be able to blob the same now that your precious 20bil ships are now glorified paper weights?
    I'd be more butthurt about a non space holding alliance being richer than space holding alliance such as -A- with renters and shit =/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildside View Post
    even with ecm busting hitting both fleets, the fc calling for the burst have the avantage of knowing when they gonna hit, so he can focus primary booster/anchore/logi after his liking right before the call to ecm bursting happenes. the opposite fc doesnt have this ability unless he sits on both coms or is clearvoyant:P
    Exactly. What y'all did in NOL was a perfect use of ECM burst coordinated with subcap fire. Our logi reps were holding at first when the drake fleet switched fire to the guardians (this was at the moon where the BL aeon died for anyone trying to remember). Reps generally held strong for about 10 minutes of that particular engagement, but a quick succession of ECM bursts lead to a few guardian losses, and once a few were lost, the DPS slowly became overwhelming along with cap chains having to be re-established every time the burst hit. It didn't matter that the ECM bursts generally stopped after about 40 or 50 seconds, the damage had been done and we had lost too many logi to hold reps. The fight was over at that point.

    This was a fight that had gone on for nearly an hour, this particular round of the fight having been going on for 15 minutes, and it was decisively ended in basically 50 seconds by some very good coordinated ECM burst fire cooperating with the subcap fleet switching primaries.

    ECM bursts are nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krutoj View Post
    Its hard to keep kicking -A- back to Stain, cause they keep recruiting all the other alliances that get raped on the way. Ex CVA ex Atals Ex NC ex ex. ..ex ...ex ... my God do they suck failed alliances ex corps through a straw or what. I mean what's left of -A- original state? A few RUS directors? Might as well be in the same state RA is, with all the old players gone for good. I tell you what -A- is nowadays, a blowfish, gets beat down to a small fish in Stain and then expands territories and numbers through sucking all in.
    Why did man invent a flashlight? They should have gotten -A- to a design a blowfishlight based on their record.
    There should be some kind of agreement that when an alliance was left with nothing to be connected with its creators or ends up being ran by morons unrelated to the morons who created it and it resembles nothing similar to that, it would be renamed or disbanded. Or that the whole of eve would target it and annihilate it. There's nothing more annoying (well there are many things more annoying but this is quite annoying as well) than having pubbies here thinking they are still in -A- where -A- hasn't been -A- for years now.

    -A- is shit times were good around here. I miss cippa and his crusade.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Murr View Post
    There should be some kind of agreement that when an alliance was left with nothing to be connected with its creators or ends up being ran by morons unrelated to the morons who created it and it resembles nothing similar to that, it would be renamed or disbanded. Or that the whole of eve would target it and annihilate it. There's nothing more annoying (well there are many things more annoying but this is quite annoying as well) than having pubbies here thinking they are still in -A- where -A- hasn't been -A- for years now.

    -A- is shit times were good around here. I miss cippa and his crusade.
    So...tl;dr, rename goons to Morsus Mihi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le'Blob View Post
    So...tl;dr, rename goons to Morsus Mihi
    I don't bother reading threads lately so I don't know who you are but judging from your baseless and failure of a burn you must be in -A-. Even WIdot or those goddamn french would be more successful than that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Krutoj View Post
    I'd be more butthurt about a non space holding alliance being richer than space holding alliance such as -A- with renters and shit =/
    Says a guy who lived drone regions for 4 years... 4 years butthurt DAMN!

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    damn that's one bitter ex-slumlord
    but such hate is the price one pays to clear EVE of such scum

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    Quote Originally Posted by space4sale View Post
    Says a guy who lived drone regions for 4 years... 4 years butthurt DAMN!
    I dont think I see your point? XIX has been the richest for a while yes and was space holding alliance, so? We paid PL how many times for their services? -A- couldnt afford even once....
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