Delvolution

**Razzor** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Lorren Canada

Hey now I don't want to go sharing that name with half the chucklefucks in the CFC

So just to be clear here, you are stating that test are not the chucklefucks of the CFC ?

**Grath** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Kick

Have there been any fights yet as blob vs blob? If so can we get some battle reports instead of full retard posting.

Pieces are still being shuffled around. I'd expect the majority of the fireworks (if there are ANY at all) to start over the weekend.

**Prodnovick** · 2012-06-26

Supposedly Init are not following Raiden around like a lap dog, they are hired as honourable space mercs. Seriously, who is paying these guys? I'm starting to believe their leadership is faking their contracts~ for some reason.

**Lorren Canada** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Razzor

So just to be clear here, you are stating that test are not the chucklefucks of the CFC ?

Have you seen some of the terrible sperglord pubbies that infest alliances like FCON and RZR?

e: Not that TEST doesn't have our share of chucklefucks but they're ours and not some random dudes from four regions north I'd rather not be blue to

Duco · 2012-06-26

Reading the thread and taking into account most of the parties involved, made an exercise with the intention of matching up both sides of the conflict.
Alliances are ordered by potential pilots online (based on previous battle reports). Also tried to match each alliance with a counter on the other side of similar strength, based on my own perception.

This is what I came up with:
# CFC # SoCo
Goonswarm Fedeteration vs. AAA + Solar 450 450
Test vs. Nulli Secuda 300 150
Razor vs. Red Alliance 170 150
FA vs. Red Overlord 150 120
Pandemic Legion vs. Raiden 120 100
Evoke vs. Gypsy Band + Stain 120 100
Fidelas vs. En Garde 120 80
TNT vs. Cascade 70 70
Gentlemen vs. HUN 70 40
SMA vs. Veracruz 60 40
EXE vs. The Initiative 40 40
Lawn vs. The Kadeshi 40 30
Convicted vs. Viking Empire 30 20
99% vs. Pangu Coalition ? ?
Aurora vs. Ultima ? ?

TOTAL 1740 vs. 1390

**Marivauder** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Razzor

So just to be clear here, you are stating that test are not the chucklefucks of the CFC ?

**Malcanis** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Prodnovick

Supposedly Init are not following Raiden around like a lap dog, they are hired as honourable space mercs. Seriously, who is paying these guys? I'm starting to believe their leadership is faking their contracts~ for some reason.

S2N, so we were told. Bliss doesn't need to fake contracts to get us to fight; we've been nagging him for a new campaign for the last month. The fact that we're going in with any blues at all is good circumstantial evidence that someone is paying us.

If you want to call us Raiden lapdogs for that, go for it.

**StevieTopSiders** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Malcanis

S2N, so we were told. Bliss doesn't need to fake contracts to get us to fight; we've been nagging him for a new campaign for the last month. The fact that we're going in with any blues at all is good circumstantial evidence that someone is paying us.

If you want to call us Raiden lapdogs for that, go for it.

What's the difference between Init and Init Mercs if they're both ~elite~ mercenary groups?

**Razzor** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Lorren Canada

Have you seen some of the terrible sperglord pubbies that infest alliances like FCON and RZR?

e: Not that TEST doesn't have our share of chucklefucks but they're ours and not some random dudes from four regions north I'd rather not be blue to

Since when did chucklefucks mean trash ? I'm confused.

**Player of no importance** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Lorren Canada

Have you seen some of the terrible sperglord pubbies that infest alliances like FCON and RZR?

e: Not that TEST doesn't have our share of chucklefucks but they're ours and not some random dudes from four regions north I'd rather not be blue to

I can see FCON, but who are you even talking about in Razor? They are silent on forums (or certainly don't identify themselves as from Razor). In any event, Test couldn't even take a few systems in Geminate on their own from the pubbies in Vale for chrissakes.

**Malcanis** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Duco

Reading the thread and taking into account most of the parties involved, made an exercise with the intention of matching up both sides of the conflict.
Alliances are ordered by potential pilots online (based on previous battle reports). Also tried to match each alliance with a counter on the other side of similar strength, based on my own perception.

This is what I came up with:
# CFC # SoCo
Goonswarm Fedeteration vs. AAA + Solar 450 450
Test vs. Nulli Secuda 300 150
Razor vs. Red Alliance 170 150
FA vs. Red Overlord 150 120
Pandemic Legion vs. Raiden 120 100
Evoke vs. Gypsy Band + Stain 120 100
Fidelas vs. En Garde 120 80
TNT vs. Cascade 70 70
Gentlemen vs. HUN 70 40
SMA vs. Veracruz 60 40
EXE vs. The Initiative 40 40
Lawn vs. The Kadeshi 40 30
Convicted vs. Viking Empire 30 20
99% vs. Pangu Coalition ? ?
Aurora vs. Ultima ? ?

TOTAL 1740 vs. 1390

INIT. can do a bit better than 40 in EU tz. We've fuck all in RUS/US though so maybe you're taking an average or somnething.

**Malcanis** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by StevieTopSiders

What's the difference between Init and Init Mercs if they're both ~elite~ mercenary groups?

tbh not a lot these days. The "Mercs" part used to be for people who wanted to fight for us in return for free access to sov 0.0. Now it's just about trialing corps who are thinking about joining. It's a bit of a vestige now.

btw I don't know where you get "elite" thing from but keep spreading that meme, it might raise our pay a bit.

**Player of no importance** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Malcanis

tbh not a lot these days. The "Mercs" part used to be for people who wanted to fight for us in return for free access to sov 0.0. Now it's just about trialing corps who are thinking about joining. It's a bit of a vestige now.

btw I don't know where you get "elite" thing from but keep spreading that meme, it might raise our pay a bit.

Don't sell yourselves short, you have a solid group that login, decent FC(s), and a set of doctrines you fly. That is "elite pvp" by today's standards.

**Marivauder** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Malcanis

tbh not a lot these days. The "Mercs" part used to be for people who wanted to fight for us in return for free access to sov 0.0.

So basically you openly recruited spies

**Grath** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Duco

This is what I came up with:
# CFC # SoCo
Goonswarm Fedeteration vs. AAA + Solar 450 450
Test vs. Nulli Secuda 300 150
Razor vs. Red Alliance 170 150
FA vs. Red Overlord 150 120
Pandemic Legion vs. Raiden 120 100
Evoke vs. Gypsy Band + Stain 120 100
Fidelas vs. En Garde 120 80
TNT vs. Cascade 70 70
Gentlemen vs. HUN 70 40
SMA vs. Veracruz 60 40
EXE vs. The Initiative 40 40
Lawn vs. The Kadeshi 40 30
Convicted vs. Viking Empire 30 20
99% vs. Pangu Coalition ? ?
Aurora vs. Ultima ? ?

TOTAL 1740 vs. 1390

Looka here boy, sit that ass down and let me tell you a story: Its been 10 months maybe since we got 120 dudes in fleet. If we have our normal 60 guys, and you call for supers, we'll get over 100. I have no idea, what makes you think 120 guys is something we're now or any time recently (or in 2012) been capable of, but if the rest of your math is off by that much for everybody else we might actually be fucking outnumbered here.

**Prodnovick** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Malcanis

S2N, so we were told. Bliss doesn't need to fake contracts to get us to fight; we've been nagging him for a new campaign for the last month. The fact that we're going in with any blues at all is good circumstantial evidence that someone is paying us.

If you want to call us Raiden lapdogs for that, go for it.

I think INIT is a pretty solid alliance. It's just weird that you would get payed to help out blues defending their sov. If you won't do that for free, what's the point of having them blue in the first place.

**Lorren Canada** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Player of no importance

In any event, Test couldn't even take a few systems in Geminate on their own from the pubbies in Vale for chrissakes.

Do you know what it's like to have 30 RDN titans dropped on your face? Apparently not.

Also holy fuck that was a rape

**Malcanis** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Marivauder

So basically you openly recruited spies

Our fleet numbers are heavily dependent on spies. They're easy to spot because they're the ones who STFU and follow FC orders.

**Bobby Bobster** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Prodnovick

I think INIT is a pretty solid alliance. It's just weird that you would get payed to help out blues defending their sov. If you won't do that for free, what's the point of having them blue in the first place.

Of the people involved to my recollection, (1 day ago) we were only blue to Raiden.

-A-, Nulli, RA and the rest (those with sov that have something to lose) were all neut and will go back to being neut after this all ends.

Also I'm pretty spacemad that Duco's post put us as the SoCo equivalent of EXE, sad times.

**Richter Belmont** · 2012-06-26

I don't know what the fuck that FC was thinking, but you don't just go roaming around with 140 drakes unless you are ready to get them all dumpstered.

Also PK you're shit at bombing.

**Vince Draken** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Duco

Reading the thread and taking into account most of the parties involved, made an exercise with the intention of matching up both sides of the conflict.
Alliances are ordered by potential pilots online (based on previous battle reports). Also tried to match each alliance with a counter on the other side of similar strength, based on my own perception.

This is what I came up with:
# CFC # SoCo
Goonswarm Fedeteration vs. AAA + Solar 450 450
Test vs. Nulli Secuda 300 150
Razor vs. Red Alliance 170 150
FA vs. Red Overlord 150 120
Pandemic Legion vs. Raiden 120 100
Evoke vs. Gypsy Band + Stain 120 100
Fidelas vs. En Garde 120 80
TNT vs. Cascade 70 70
Gentlemen vs. HUN 70 40
SMA vs. Veracruz 60 40
EXE vs. The Initiative 40 40
Lawn vs. The Kadeshi 40 30
Convicted vs. Viking Empire 30 20
99% vs. Pangu Coalition ? ?
Aurora vs. Ultima ? ?

TOTAL 1740 vs. 1390

Hey i think you didnt get the memo EV0KE are not in delve they came for the hole of 2 days or somthin.... neither did i see Gypsy in delve maybe 1 of my PL bros will tel me otherwise but they been brining 80 dudes down to geminate to fight us so unless they get around alot ...

*edit* again neither is solar welp!

**Sath** · 2012-06-26

I now have to say that the worst part about this entire war is the return of the Drake to the southwest. S2N & Co. had managed to basically exterminate the local populations, but nooooo, you had to reintroduce them from northern flocks, and now eastern populations are eyeing the pastures of Delve as well.

It is a travesty.

**Malcanis** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Prodnovick

I think INIT is a pretty solid alliance. It's just weird that you would get payed to help out blues defending their sov. If you won't do that for free, what's the point of having them blue in the first place.

S2N weren't blue to us. They were nothing to do with us at all; they've never really interacted with INIT in any way before. We'd probably have poked our adorable little noses into Delve sooner or later because who wants to miss the only show in town? S2N are basically paying us to pick a side instead of just shooting whoever.

(And it's the side with RA in it, so I hope they paid plenty because jesus christ :/)

**Sath** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Malcanis

S2N weren't blue to us. They were nothing to do with us at all; they've never really interacted with INIT in any way before. We'd probably have poked our adorable little noses into Delve sooner or later because who wants to miss the only show in town? S2N are basically paying us to pick a side instead of just shooting whoever.

(And it's the side with RA in it, so I hope they paid plenty because jesus christ :/)

Eh, at this rate RA's going to take itself out of the war before the fortnight is out. The SoCo shall lament the loss of its officially-designated bomber-bait, but I am sure it will somehow find within itself the strength to carry on.

**Headblast** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Lorren Canada

Do you know what it's like to have 30 RDN titans dropped on your face? Apparently not.

Also holy fuck that was a rape

I think you, Grath (earlier in this thread) are seriously overestimating the capabilities of Raiden. Not wanting to exaggerate the role of x13 and Ankou, but combined the two corps probably fielded 10-15 titans and 10ish supers while in Raiden. At the peak of things, even more. On top of that, with the loss of of those two corps, Raiden even more importantly lost two of the main FC's, including the main capital FC during the invasion of NC.

While Raiden still have an impressive supercap fleet on paper, I doubt they'll be a driving factor in the war and potential supercap showdowns.

**Endie** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Prodnovick

Supposedly Init are not following Raiden around like a lap dog, they are hired as honourable space mercs. Seriously, who is paying these guys? I'm starting to believe their leadership is faking their contracts~ for some reason.

You completely misunderstand the dynamic of this relationship. Init are not following Raiden like lap dogs. They do so like a vulture, or a Komodo Dragon, waiting for their prey to collapse and die. Init wants to pick over the corpse.

**Malcanis** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Endie

You completely misunderstand the dynamic of this relationship. Init are not following Raiden like lap dogs. They do so like a vulture, or a Komodo Dragon, waiting for their prey to collapse and die. Init wants to pick over the corpse.

Dambit Endie!

**Vik Reddy** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Richter Belmont

I don't know what the fuck that FC was thinking, but you don't just go roaming around with 140 drakes unless you are ready to get them all dumpstered.

Also PK you're shit at bombing.

Nope, pretty sure we can. So you guys came in battleships (with bomber support in 4-2) and primaried our FC first. ISK war tells a different story with respect to what we were up against. I guess the probing rapier dying in the aftermath skews it a little, but the cyno onyx that died trying to follow us puts the fight just a tad bit in our favor:
https://a-killed.me/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=735150

GF.

BR-DOC: http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=8292

crash tidus · 2012-06-26

please good fights

**Lorren Canada** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Headblast

While Raiden still have an impressive supercap fleet on paper, I doubt they'll be a driving factor in the war and potential supercap showdowns.

Agreed. Although the 30 titans reference was in relation to our (TEST's) Vale/Geminate campaign.

**Ricky** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Vik Reddy

Nope, pretty sure we can. So you guys came in battleships (with bomber support in 4-2) and primaried our FC first. ISK war tells a different story with respect to what we were up against. I guess the probing rapier dying in the aftermath skews it a little, but the cyno onyx that died trying to follow us puts the fight just a tad bit in our favor:
https://a-killed.me/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=735150

GF.

BR-DOC: http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=8292

I considered to put one of my chars back in nulli just for this new delve war, then i saw the Drakes and went back inactive.

**Agathor** · 2012-06-26

I am going to give you the same vid as I gave Wusti, Progod.

The months talked about in the song are almost the same as last time also

**UnknownPoster** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Vik Reddy

Nope, pretty sure we can. So you guys came in battleships (with bomber support in 4-2) and primaried our FC first. ISK war tells a different story with respect to what we were up against. I guess the probing rapier dying in the aftermath skews it a little, but the cyno onyx that died trying to follow us puts the fight just a tad bit in our favor:
https://a-killed.me/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=735150

GF.

BR-DOC: http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=8292

Looks like a GF, but unfortunately you guys lost that one. Despite the -iskwar- you lost 32 Drakes as opposed to 4 Rokhs/1 Mael. What say you?

**Vik Reddy** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by UnknownPoster

Looks like a GF, but unfortunately you guys lost that one. Despite the -iskwar- you lost 32 Drakes as opposed to 4 Rokhs/1 Mael. What say you?

We lost it for sure, they held the field. We didn't have much repping power vs 10 scorpions either. But it was a roam and we took drakes, we knew they had bombers waiting in our exit system and a 200+ battleship fleet that were going to cyno in (they cynoed into 4-2). If we wanted our cheap drake fleet to live, we would have never engaged and started bouncing safes - instead we took the fight when they jumped in. We lost our fc immediately but our secondary caller took over and we continued the fight until it was apparent we were not going to have enough dps left to take out anymore battleships.

**Rezorek** · 2012-06-26

Can't wait for the weekend. Hopefully all the players in this game of Delve will be ready and overcome by bloodlust. I want to see tidi fuckery everywhere. Goons got that covered, I know~

e- And GF SoCo (cant get used to the name it takes effort to type anyone else got this problem?)

**Blawrf** · 2012-06-26

Shamelessly harvested from TEST jabber

http://i.imgur.com/AN876.jpg

**Elise Randolph** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Vik Reddy

Nope, pretty sure we can. So you guys came in battleships (with bomber support in 4-2) and primaried our FC first. ISK war tells a different story with respect to what we were up against. I guess the probing rapier dying in the aftermath skews it a little, but the cyno onyx that died trying to follow us puts the fight just a tad bit in our favor:
https://a-killed.me/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=735150

GF.

BR-DOC: http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=8292

If losing half of your Drakes and killing 5 battleships is considered an -A- victory then, from the bottom of my heart, I hope you win every engagement.

**Alidean** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Vince Draken

Hey i think you didnt get the memo EV0KE are not in delve they came for the hole of 2 days or somthin.... neither did i see Gypsy in delve maybe 1 of my PL bros will tel me otherwise but they been brining 80 dudes down to geminate to fight us so unless they get around alot ...

*edit* again neither is solar welp!

Stop telling them this!!! They'll call us blobbers for sure now!!

**UnknownPoster** · 2012-06-26

Blob warfare = Sov warfare

Just get over it fellas, people are gunna drop everything they've got to take/defend space, unless their cowards.

**Perseus Kallistratos** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Elise Randolph

If losing half of your Drakes and killing 5 battleships is considered an -A- victory then, from the bottom of my heart, I hope you win every engagement.

I think you need more dudes Elise

**Junder Ware** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Vik Reddy

Nope, pretty sure we can. So you guys came in battleships (with bomber support in 4-2) and primaried our FC first. ISK war tells a different story with respect to what we were up against. I guess the probing rapier dying in the aftermath skews it a little, but the cyno onyx that died trying to follow us puts the fight just a tad bit in our favor:
https://a-killed.me/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=735150

GF.

BR-DOC: http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=8292

It's a win for honeybadger because 17 of those pilots are out of the fight for the next few days while they jew enough isk for a new drake.

**DurrHurrDurr** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Duco

Reading the thread and taking into account most of the parties involved, made an exercise with the intention of matching up both sides of the conflict.
Alliances are ordered by potential pilots online (based on previous battle reports). Also tried to match each alliance with a counter on the other side of similar strength, based on my own perception.

This is what I came up with:
# CFC # SoCo
Goonswarm Fedeteration vs. AAA + Solar 450 450
Test vs. Nulli Secuda 300 150
Razor vs. Red Alliance 170 150
FA vs. Red Overlord 150 120
Pandemic Legion vs. Raiden 120 100
Evoke vs. Gypsy Band + Stain 120 100
Fidelas vs. En Garde 120 80
TNT vs. Cascade 70 70
Gentlemen vs. HUN 70 40
SMA vs. Veracruz 60 40
EXE vs. The Initiative 40 40
Lawn vs. The Kadeshi 40 30
Convicted vs. Viking Empire 30 20
99% vs. Pangu Coalition ? ?
Aurora vs. Ultima ? ?

TOTAL 1740 vs. 1390

Most of these numbers are so hilariously exaggerated that this doesn't even warrant a response

**Richter Belmont** · 2012-06-26

Vik is one delusional dumb motherfucker.

**Berdennol** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Blawrf

Shamelessly harvested from TEST jabber

http://i.imgur.com/AN876.jpg

It's a funny pic. But only 2 of those jars (if the one covered by the arm is HM-) were actually nulli systems.

The confusion is understandable though, we usually show up with twice as many dudes as RA to defend RA sov.

RA sov we were in the progress of taking before all this started going down.

EVE is weird like that sometimes.

**Nemes** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Berdennol

It's a funny pic. But only 2 of those jars (if the one covered by the arm is HM-) were actually nulli systems.

The confusion is understandable though, we usually show up with twice as many dudes as RA to defend RA sov.

RA sov we were in the progress of taking before all this started going down.

EVE is weird like that sometimes.

Are you saying those jars are full of Russian STD honey?

**Berdennol** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Nemes

Are you saying those jars are full of Russian STD honey?

They sure as hell aren't filled with caviar.

**Ron Mexxico** · 2012-06-26

just rename all your fleet comps to welpxxxx so you can't really lose a fight

**Max** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Grath

Looka here boy, sit that ass down and let me tell you a story: Its been 10 months maybe since we got 120 dudes in fleet. If we have our normal 60 guys, and you call for supers, we'll get over 100. I have no idea, what makes you think 120 guys is something we're now or any time recently (or in 2012) been capable of, but if the rest of your math is off by that much for everybody else we might actually be fucking outnumbered here.

I think I've seen 450 goons (AKA Goonswarm Federation) login at once... like... once? Their more "average" number is about 150-250, depending on TZ and location of fight. Delve is fuckoff far away from dek and its not "ohgod" critical so expect to see 100-150 Goonswarm Federation pilots (<-- thats the important bit) in fleet. What tips the scale is the rest of the CFC bringing 40-100 dudes per fight per alliance. (TNT @ 40, FA @ 100, RAZOR @ 80, and so on.). However the -A- train of hangers on can do the same thing so it's actually quite even.

**Max** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Player of no importance

I can see FCON, but who are you even talking about in Razor? They are silent on forums (or certainly don't identify themselves as from Razor). In any event, Test couldn't even take a few systems in Geminate on their own from the pubbies in Vale for chrissakes.

We were doing quite well in Geminate until Raiden just started bringing mass tracking titans to every? fight. It got kind of pointless after that.

**Vik Reddy** · 2012-06-26

Originally Posted by Richter Belmont

Vik is one delusional dumb motherfucker.

Delusional about what? If you knew how to read, you'll notice I said "we lost, they held the field." For fighting a battleship fleet almost twice our size and with superior EWAR, I said the ISK war went okay for us with "respect to what we were up against", and wasn't completely one-sided. If you think I considered it a full -A- victory then you are wrong, that fight wasn't going to end with us winning in any scenario.

We had fun, you guys had fun. It wasn't quite a good matchup and our FC was primaried first, and I still said it was a GF. I know you like the smell of your own shit, but you should probably remove your head out of your ass before you suffocate.

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