If this is really true, it's got to be literally the definition of badness...Originally Posted by Grath
If this is really true, it's got to be literally the definition of badness...
Not really, tech moons were practicly worthless a few years ago, and since many alliances use some very old moonmaps it's not suprising a few techmoons weren't registered.
It's common practice to probe moons when you move into a new region, but people who have lived in the same region for years might not think rescanning an entire region is worth the effort.
Shooting moons once is too often, tbh
Seriously that shit is soul crushing
I did like 2 Constellations in Delve and seeing Atmospheric Gases come up over and over and over again for an hour just made me want to die.
However I found a prom moon and sold it to HUN Reloaded \o/ still wouldn't do it again however.
What probably happened was the moon was scanned before tech became valuble and was mistranscribed. Nobody will miss a tech moon now when scanning, but it's easy to miss a cobalt or cesium moon right now - and then if those became valuable you would never recheck and find the error.
Yeah moon scanning is fucking horrific, we only got good scans by throwing money at newbies to do it - and promptly burned those newbies out on the moonscanning bit forever.
The frustration of moon scanning is probably the only thing that makes moon goo the least bit comparable re: effort/reward. I did it for a little while and dear God there's no way of telling how the Russians did it thousands of times just to find a handful of Tech moons. Vodka probably helps.
It was me, I was the newbee in a hoarder making 50mil/hr and considering shooting myself in the mouth
x for moon scanning little bee
scanning really isnt that bad with 4 accounts at once, can do a whole region in a few hours
You know what else isn't that bad with 4 accounts at once? Pretty much anything else.
Fuck man I'll do it if you don't want to.
Except a sexlife.
If your sexlife requires accounts, that is.
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In my very early eve days, some friends asked me to scan a system for them. They wanted to put up their first POS with their little corp and wanted to do some moon mining alongside. They provided the probes, gave me, I think, 50 mil for scanning the whole system - a lot of ISK for my catalyst flying ass.
When I was done scanning, they suddenly realised that you can't mine moons in highsec. We don't speak much anymore...
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
Yeah you can't do it in 0.4 either for whatever reason.
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Wasn't that changed 1 or 2 years ago? I believe that 0.4> restriction was lifted; I may err.
EDIT: evewiki still says it's gtta be 0.3 or lower, so I did err.
EDIT2: Harvesting module still lists the restriction as well.
The facts have a strong anti-A- bias.
Change with 0.4 systems was with them not needing charters anymore, iirc.
All this talk of scanning moons reminded me I've never done that. Even though I was warned how boring it was, I decided to try anyway. It turned out to be Goddamned boring
However, I found an unpossed moon with Haf and Cobalt. Would it be worth dropping a medium POS on it? I'm looking for a place to stick a lab, anyway so even if the mins made it a break-even I'd be happy.
Do they have to be managed a lot? I'm damned if I want to become a full time industrialist.
Edit:
Nevermind. I decided to see if CCP would get angry with me. Waiting for CCP to make me rename it.
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Cobalt is a good moon mineral, no wonder IRC is rich
Cobalt is a good moon mineral, no wonder IRC is rich
I thought Delve was bad for cobalt, saw one system that wasn't on Dotlans and decided to probe it down.
Oh god why
Where can we find a guide for moon mining prices or reactions for scrubs, or can anyone make one? Just basics, ty.
tech > tech > tech > tech > tech > tech > tech > tech > tech > tech > tech > prom/dyspro
http://www.eve-guides.com/poss/MiningPOS.php
I'm a total scrub. I don't seem to have mined anything since setting it up last night. :/
The POS UI is shit, news at 11.
You probably didn't link it up properly, or you didn't save it or something. vOv
I had troubles when i tried to mine some R32 with linking too, they must be linked and onlined in a proper order and the link thing is total shit.
The POS UI for mining / reactions is silly easy if you have someone spend five minutes explaining it to you. I'd always heard it badmouthed so when I started my reaction farm I was stunned to see how simple it was. In some ways it's better than the (much flashier) PI interface for basically the same functions.
I went back and reset the links and made sure I onlined in the correct order. I guess I'll know just how retarded I am in 2 hours.
How is this a nerf to Cobalt? CCP is on a nerfing spree!
This seems like a bad decision on CCP's part. Removing the minerals from the drone regions will cause minerals to spike, as they already have, costing everyone more to purchase ships or modules. The obvious result is people PvPing, especially on a small gang/solo level, will be even more risk aversive when their bc costs almost as much as a hac used to prior to the nerf. CCP claimed that this is all for the better because it will be a buff for mining. In reality, mining is still a god awful profession that is best left to bots because there are few things in EVE that are more boring or painful to do on a regular basis. The rewards of mining aren't really increasing considerably either for a miner, so it seems unlikely that people previously uninterested will be flocking to buy mining skills. The fact that grav sites are the only mining sites that are currently being mined makes it difficult to catch miners short of a logoff trap or a wh in the mining system, and impossible without probes. If CCP were really interested in the game, they would try and fix mining so that it becomes an interesting profession that was actually fun, or change all 0.0 npc's to drop alloys. Personally, I favour the latter because I despise mining in its current state, and think that minerals costing almost nothing would be fantastic for PvPers because losing non-faction ships and/or modules would be no real loss, and people would be alot more willing to reship after dying.
As for incursions, it was easy enough to make 200mil/hour average in the right fleet off purely bounties, to say nothing of the LP gained. You only need to find the right fleet and take a ship scanner to them to find their entire faction bs fleet is filled with all sorts of goodies from faction gyros (Probably the most common) to pith a-type invulns to understand the kind of isk being generated. Considering that almost nobody dies and the bears have gone out of their way to deliberately farm the incursions well past the time where they should have been completed, it is a no brainer.
Hafnium makes 180M or something like that a Month. Medium pos should cost around 200M/Month (without fuel bonus). So if you hold sov there, use a faction tower or add a reaction on top of that it should make enough profit to be still not worth itAll this talk of scanning moons reminded me I've never done that. Even though I was warned how boring it was, I decided to try anyway. It turned out to be Goddamned boring
However, I found an unpossed moon with Haf and Cobalt. Would it be worth dropping a medium POS on it? I'm looking for a place to stick a lab, anyway so even if the mins made it a break-even I'd be happy.
Do they have to be managed a lot? I'm damned if I want to become a full time industrialist.
Edit:
Nevermind. I decided to see if CCP would get angry with me. Waiting for CCP to make me rename it.
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(Half of that with a small tower, going by your picture. So 80-111M Profit/Month. Not sure if that is worth it to you in the long run)
Do you still get fuel bonus?
Thanks. I'm not sure either with the added time sink of fueling and selling. Then again, I'm poor enough that an extra hundred mil a month would be noticeable. I mostly threw up the tower because I'd never done this before.Hafnium makes 180M or something like that a Month. Medium pos should cost around 200M/Month (without fuel bonus). So if you hold sov there, use a faction tower or add a reaction on top of that it should make enough profit to be still not worth it
(Half of that with a small tower, going by your picture. So 80-111M Profit/Month. Not sure if that is worth it to you in the long run)
Do PI?
I honestly don't no as I no longer reside in sov space
There was talk about removing the fuel bonus because CCP was too stupid to split blocks into smaller units.
I think they back-pedalled there again when they figured out they could just break down the blocks into smaller blocks therefore making it possible to fine tune fuel consumption.
You can put in 29 Days of fuel if there is no sov bonus. 36 Days with sov. I guess especially now with fuel blocks its not that bad.Thanks. I'm not sure either with the added time sink of fueling and selling.
Not sure how often you have to empty the silo with a Minmatar tower though. If you don't anchor a lab you could chain two silos to double the interval in which you have to empty them.
Tried once when it first came out. Jesus that was worse than the act of scanning moons.
The thing that got me wanting a tower was the lack of ME slots anyway, so the lab was the actual reason for the tower. If it can pay for its own fuel with mining, I guess that's the real bonus. Unfortunately, the Amarr tower didn't have enough CPU for the lab and mining stuff. I didn't have a Gallente tower laying around but I may buy one in a few weeks if I don't get bored with the POS.I honestly don't no as I no longer reside in sov space
There was talk about removing the fuel bonus because CCP was too stupid to split blocks into smaller units.
I think they back-pedalled there again when they figured out they could just break down the blocks into smaller blocks therefore making it possible to fine tune fuel consumption.
You can put in 29 Days of fuel if there is no sov bonus. 36 Days with sov. I guess especially now with fuel blocks its not that bad.
Not sure how often you have to empty the silo with a Minmatar tower though. If you don't anchor a lab you could chain two silos to double the interval in which you have to empty them.
It's less cockstabby than when it first came out, too. As long as you've set it up properly, all you basically have to do is restart the extractors every x days, and eject the PI goo once every month or whatever. If you do factories, however, heh. Have fun swapping them around as the market shifts, they haven't made that part of the UI not suck dicks.
Look at this old post: http://community.eveonline.com/ingam...readID=1262712 Akita did and excel for every reaction/tower the download link is: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1006/E...ctions_v4d.zip I have not checked it for a long time but it was pretty useful and should be a good start for you. Just go to Jita(or use your Jita alt) and input the current moon-goo prices and you will be all set. It also included sov fuel bonuses. Please note this was before fuel blocks.
Yeah fuck the routing interface. Ok so I have to route materials from here to here, eight times, with several slow transitiony clicks to tell whether one has it already or not, and then repeat the process all along the chain.
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This may also be helpful.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Te...ent_production
It's not much of a nerf to the grunt, but just think about how much stuff will need to be moved out there a week, logistically i'd imagin it's one of the worst places to live.
You know, I think some of the confusion could be alleviated by using "isk drain" and "isk faucet."
Imagery-wise, I would walk up to an "isk sink" to turn on an "isk faucet" and fill a half yard with lucious isk.
Is there a lazy PvP retard guide somewhere on how to make decent income with minimal effort? Every time I think "today is the day I setup PI" I look at the planets, start looking up how to make what and it all starts to look veryso I end up playing Tanks instead.
PI's like everything else, if you put a decent bit of effort into the startup and think about how you're going to get your PI materials out and back into Jita, you'll make a decent income. If you just dick around in highsec though you won't make shit.
Also the training for PI is pretty quick.
To answer the other half of your question: yes, the fuel bonus (reduced consumption) for faction towers still exists. Coupled with the sov. fuel bonus, you can probably cram around 6 weeks of fuel into a faction POS.
I love how this number keeps getting bigger.
inb4 oh you don't know how to fly with a leet fleet.
I know dudes doing that, but they had 2 chars doing it - pretty consistantly too
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if you're dual boxing is possible, yes.
i make that much dualboxing logis in public fleets, with LP conversion adding around 50-70M on top of that
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Moon scanning takes some time, but do it while you're watching football/tv-series etc. It's not the fastest or most efficient way to do it, but it gets the job done without any suicidal tendencies developing. Most of the time you find nothing, but now and then you'll get surprised. Tech is 5x the value of Neo, which is 2x the value of Dysp, which is 2x the value of Prom. Prom and the rest is barely worth the effort, though a case can be made for compound moons with two or more minerals, such as platinum & cobalt. Silicates, which is a common mineral has a surprisingly high price and you can find empty moons with 2x silicates + 1 other mineral. These moons make the same profit as a 1x dysp moon i.e. ~ 700m a month before fuel.
As for PI, get the PI diagram and find out what you want to do, but if that is too much effort, just find a system with storm planets and make coolant, or plasma planets and make enriched uranium. With all PI skills at IV you'll make roughly 300m per char per month on a two day cycle doing that, so 900m per account per month (in a 0.1 system). Remember the better true-sec the better PI.
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