Delve: The Good, the Bad and Marivauders Fucking Ugly

[Cranky old man]

Haha, there seems to be this myth in Nulli that you guys are toughing this out on your own...you're not, you weren't before we got here, and you wouldn't if we left.


Your view of reality is seriously damaged.

I don't know how anything in my post can lead someone to believe that we in Nulli think we are "toughing this thing out alone." My post was about people apparently starting to give Test credit for accomplishing something "on their own." I would argue that their ability to do very well on their own in an offensive sovereignty war against us is doubtful and certainly unproven. I am totally aware that we are not fighting PL + Test on our own. We have our own close allies in Hun Reloaded, Veracruz and the Pangu Coalition. And in the last week -- after nearly 2 months of fighting I would add (by Shadoo's posted reckoning) -- AAA has joined the theater. But we are not the ones who have ALWAYS taken the field in this conflict under someone else's FCs and supported by perhaps the greatest superpower (in terms of supers) in the game. And I don't have a problem with Test doing that, I just don't think they should be given a great deal of credit for it and be spoken about as though they are growing up and accomplishing something significant on their own.

[ACF Cadelanne]

Haha, there seems to be this myth in Nulli that you guys are toughing this out on your own

nobody thinks that. cranky old man was simply stating that the weight is thrown by PL, not TEST. it's like the 3rd grader talking mad shit cause his big brother in 6th grade can beat you up

gfs last night by the way was fun

[Serious Business]

Haha, there seems to be this myth in Nulli that you guys are toughing this out on your own...you're not, you weren't before we got here, and you wouldn't if we left.


Your view of reality is seriously damaged.

Hey Grath, sorta like PL doing something on their own, wont happen, cant happen and will never happen.

[Doink9731]

Hey, I just undocked,
and this is crazy,
but here's our fleet comp,
so fight us, maybe?

[Jones Bones]

I don't see anyone from TEST claiming the glory of honorable battles of bushido code Delve campaign. For some reason Grath has some sort of creepy Jerry Sandusky like relationship with his EVE pet.

[penifSMASH]

I don't know how anything in my post can lead someone to believe that we in Nulli think we are "toughing this thing out alone." My post was about people apparently starting to give Test credit for accomplishing something "on their own." I would argue that their ability to do very well on their own in an offensive sovereignty war against us is doubtful and certainly unproven. I am totally aware that we are not fighting PL + Test on our own. We have our own close allies in Hun Reloaded, Veracruz and the Pangu Coalition. And in the last week -- after nearly 2 months of fighting I would add (by Shadoo's posted reckoning) -- AAA has joined the theater. But we are not the ones who have ALWAYS taken the field in this conflict under someone else's FCs and supported by perhaps the greatest superpower (in terms of supers) in the game. And I don't have a problem with Test doing that, I just don't think they should be given a great deal of credit for it and be spoken about as though they are growing up and accomplishing something significant on their own.

news flash: no one gives a shit what you think

[rottenb]

Posting to post I don't care what you post.

[srly]

I don't see anyone from TEST claiming the glory of honorable battles of bushido code Delve campaign. For some reason Grath has some sort of creepy Jerry Sandusky like relationship with his EVE pet.

DHD is regularly posting like he's dunking all over the universe all by himself, but yea, no bushido code (that was cool in 2006).

[Grath]

Hey Grath, sorta like PL doing something on their own, wont happen, cant happen and will never happen.

Never has happened either, nobody has ever claimed it could or would, but thanks for dropping by

nobody thinks that. cranky old man was simply stating that the weight is thrown by PL, not TEST.

The odd thing is, that half the people claim PL is a dead alliance and like Serious Business up there say we can't do anything on our own, the other half is claiming that PL is doing all the work and TEST can't do anything on their own.




So since both of those entities are listed as incapable of doing anything, who just steam rolled a good portion (nearly 20 systems over the past 3 days) of Delve?

I mean PL leads some fleets, 4 a day or so, the rest of the roaming gangs are all test FC's, so I'm not really sure what actual facts you people are basing your assessments off of but its certainly not actual facts.

Heres some actual facts for you:

The combined fleets of Fountain alone can make 300+ subcaps without much issue, not including a 60 man cap fleet and about 30 supers of their own. What exactly do you think would go different, or are you literally blaming all your losses to this point on Shadoo and the 30 people from the 'dead alliance'?

[FinalShowdown]

DHD is regularly posting like he's dunking all over the universe all by himself, but yea, no bushido code (that was cool in 2006).

I don't think DHD has had anything to do with this campaign. He's doing the spacepope's bidding.

[ACF Cadelanne]

Never has happened either, nobody has ever claimed it could or would, but thanks for dropping by



The odd thing is, that half the people claim PL is a dead alliance and like Serious Business up there say we can't do anything on our own, the other half is claiming that PL is doing all the work and TEST can't do anything on their own.




So since both of those entities are listed as incapable of doing anything, who just steam rolled a good portion (nearly 20 systems over the past 3 days) of Delve?

I mean PL leads some fleets, 4 a day or so, the rest of the roaming gangs are all test FC's, so I'm not really sure what actual facts you people are basing your assessments off of but its certainly not actual facts.

Heres some actual facts for you:

The combined fleets of Fountain alone can make 300+ subcaps without much issue, not including a 60 man cap fleet and about 30 supers of their own. What exactly do you think would go different, or are you literally blaming all your losses to this point on Shadoo and the 30 people from the 'dead alliance'?

where did i say PL was dead?

[Grath]

where did i say PL was dead?

Where did i say you said it?

[Hilmar Keller]

Hurf blurf we're losing but not to you or you or you.

It's all semantics when the dust settles.

[s7thomp]

Don't get grath worked up again.

Everyone has some type of batphone. That being said, for being a "pet" of AAA, nulli have fielded very reasonable numbers for their size. I think everyone knows PL is a level above most alliances in tactics, income, and shitposting. Nuli still has spirit and aside from not wanting to be curbstomped on a regular basis, does try. After all, the south is poor.

[Centra]

Do you guys want to sign an armistice?

PL is not allowed to bring FCs or supers
TEST is not allowed to bring more than 5% of its total members
Nulli is not allowed to post
-A- is not allowed to post, except for Vik Reddy, and their FCs shall not tell lies
Goons can come only in bombers
No Black(s) Legions
Everyone has to fly around in Drakes
Whoever has more dudes has to jump in to the other side
Delve Goons stop killing our CEOs

[Nemes]

I'm sorry, but I just can't see giving Test a lot of credit myself. I mean, what exactly are they doing? They are providing boots on the ground under the instruction of FCs from another alliance (PL) whose own military supremacy with supers is the other major factor allowing Test to make advances on the sov map.

Test has a great many pilots and was smart enough to belong to a good coalition. I give them credit for organization and political sense in those areas. But for someone like the Goon guy (in a different post) to say something like "we offered to help but Test wanted to do this on their own" is laughable. They aren't doing it on their own. I don't have a problem with someone having powerful friends, but let's be clear about who is tipping the scales here and who is most responsible for the successes Test is having. They can take every system from NOL to Z-M as far as I'm concerned. They still won't have done anything "on their own." If you guys say you feel like they are growing up or getting things done on their own, then let's fight them mano y mano and see how it shakes out. They have more than three times our numbers and presumably a fair number of supers on their own. I'm not in Nulli leadership, but I bet our guys would be willing to go toe to toe for Delve against Test with all other parties (such as PL) removing themselves from the theater. Test FCs and pilots against Nulli FCs and pilots. If they beat us up that way, I'll give them a lot of credit -- and so will the rest of the community. THAT would be them truly growing up and earning their stripes.

A couple things. I definitely never said TEST is ownzoning Delve solo, so yeah....

Growing up is a term that apparently means one thing to you, and another to me. I have no idea where this mano a mano bullshit came from. Not a single fucking alliance in EVE is WARRIORS ON THEIR OWN PROVING THEIR MANHOOD. PL, TEST, Solar, and sweet christ Nulli all have friends. The sheer fact that they ARENT calling in Goons to help them is a sign of growing up. Now, here's what I could've posted to validate your response, and I'll type it here so we can all pretend that's what happened:

-----FANTASY FAKE POST------
OMG TEST is ownzoning Delve solo-style, and they are seriously seasoned grown-ups who completely stand alone and will rip the face off the rest of EVE.
------/FANTASY FAKE POST-----
There, now the narrative works, though that's complete bullshit.

If your definition of growing up is mano a mano then EVE is full of mental midget children...well, I think that's just a coincidence that it happens to be true.

[Nemes]

What exactly do you think would go different, or are you literally blaming all your losses to this point on Shadoo and the 30 people from the 'dead alliance'?

To be fair the mighty FC warrior Shadoo hasn't seemed this into a campaign in a looooong time, and he's maintained that a lot longer than I expected.

While frankly there's been some morale slips on one side, and some anger on the other I will say this whole situation has exceeded my expectations on the longevity of consistent fights (minus a blueball or two here and there).

[Nemes]

Triple posting like a hurf blurf.

Edit: Now with more walking your babies through tornados!

Edit Edit: For those of you wondering (nobody), that picture is the graphical depiction of FCing. Walking a bunch of clueless toddlers through a shitstorm.

[Doink9731]

It's all semantics when the dust514 settles.

However, the preceding sperg is the best metric we have for judging intelligence. At the end of the day the only thing most posters have achieved is making themselves look like idiots.

[shin chan]

To be fair the mighty FC warrior Shadoo hasn't seemed this into a campaign in a looooong time, and he's maintained that a lot longer than I expected.

While frankly there's been some morale slips on one side, and some anger on the other I will say this whole situation has exceeded my expectations on the longevity of consistent fights (minus a blueball or two here and there).

It boils down to, good fights are all this shit game has. This game is shit, only good part is that rare roam where you meet an even numbered gang and you somehow manage to warp out in 2% structure.

I don't understand when PL drops 100 dreads on the field, its a fight killer. What gives?

Its not like anything is at stake, so why ruin the party?

Nulli sees PL's shit fleet and leaves the field, and PL only has themselves to blame. Its not like PL can't afford to go toe to toe with subcap fleets for fun.

[Alidean]

Do you guys want to sign an armistice?

PL is not allowed to bring FCs or supers
TEST is not allowed to bring more than 5% of its total members
Nulli is not allowed to post
-A- is not allowed to post, except for Vik Reddy, and their FCs shall not tell lies
Goons can come only in bombers
No Black(s) Legions
Everyone has to fly around in Drakes
Whoever has more dudes has to jump in to the other side
Delve Goons stop killing our CEOs

I usually hate you but damn this is a good idea

[Nemes]

Do you guys want to sign an armistice?

PL is not allowed to bring FCs or supers
TEST is not allowed to bring more than 5% of its total members
Nulli is not allowed to post
-A- is not allowed to post, except for Vik Reddy, and their FCs shall not tell lies
Goons can come only in bombers
No Black(s) Legions
Everyone has to fly around in Drakes
Whoever has more dudes has to jump in to the other side
Delve Goons stop killing our CEOs

The KPop Accord was signed in the year of our lord Two Thousand and Twelve.

[ihaveahelmet]

It boils down to, good fights are all this shit game has. This game is shit, only good part is that rare roam where you meet an even numbered gang and you somehow manage to warp out in 2% structure.

I don't understand when PL drops 100 dreads on the field, its a fight killer. What gives?

Its not like anything is at stake, so why ruin the party?

Nulli sees PL's shit fleet and leaves the field, and PL only has themselves to blame. Its not like PL can't afford to go toe to toe with subcap fleets for fun.

I wish we could field 100 dreads.

Actually I wish we could have 100 dudes logged in.

Actually actually I wish I would log in.

[Lorren Canada]

The odd thing is, that half the people claim PL is a dead alliance and like Serious Business up there say we can't do anything on our own, the other half is claiming that PL is doing all the work and TEST can't do anything on their own.

yea I've gotten a kick out of the idiots who are so desperate to claim that PL is shit they'll claim it's TEST who's holding them up.

Also it's true we're not technically "on our own" in this fight since PL is with us along with the 99% and TASHA (go away securitas) but compared to flying around in 800 man CFC fleets this is very much us being "on our own" in our experience. And lest we forget, TEST is literally an alliance of year to year and a half old characters including most of our military directorate and fcs. Deploying like this and fighting alongside guys as good as PL is tremendously helpful to our pilots just like our Vale/Geminate deployments were.

Also this popped up on our subreddit today

http://minus.com/mWXQwrUtd/1f

[FinalShowdown]

It boils down to, good fights are all this shit game has. This game is shit, only good part is that rare roam where you meet an even numbered gang and you somehow manage to warp out in 2% structure.

I don't understand when PL drops 100 dreads on the field, its a fight killer. What gives?

Its not like anything is at stake, so why ruin the party?

Nulli sees PL's shit fleet and leaves the field, and PL only has themselves to blame. Its not like PL can't afford to go toe to toe with subcap fleets for fun.

Good fight is a nebulous term that means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. Sometimes, to some people, it means an equal, balanced fight. Sometimes, to some other people, it means a good curbstomping and then watching the blood ooze out of their posting hole.

[WNxWolfy]

Do you guys want to sign an armistice?

PL is not allowed to bring FCs or supers
TEST is not allowed to bring more than 5% of its total members
Nulli is not allowed to post
-A- is not allowed to post, except for Vik Reddy, and their FCs shall not tell lies
Goons can come only in bombers
No Black(s) Legions
Everyone has to fly around in Drakes
Whoever has more dudes has to jump in to the other side
Delve Goons stop killing our CEOs

But I like having goons in drakes..

[Dego]

But I like having goons in drakes..

No boats allowed, only vees and vilys.

[Centra]

But I like having goons in drakes..

No boats allowed, only vees and vilys.

Yeah, bombers means Vee, even though he was a space jerk and used to primary me because he "recognized me from Kugu".

But boat thought I was in FCON or something on TEST Jabber, so, literally, forever war.

[Securitas]

TASHA (go away securitas)

Why

You know I actually did the negotiations with Monty and convinced TASHA leadership to move down here in the first place, right?

[Grath]

I don't understand when PL drops 100 dreads on the field, its a fight killer. What gives?

We believe its not a good fight until the dreads and supers hit the field, sub caps are always just the tease, she's just licking the tip if you will, that swirly motion, once the dreads hit the field you're punching in her uvula and if you get to drop titans its like she said "its ok if you hold onto my ears for this part".

Your definition of good fights to us is a half measure, you're not really playing with all the toys the game has to offer.

Idk maybe you should look at the flaw in your thinking.

[Player of no importance]

When is this shit getting freeported? Freeport Delve Reloaded, 2012!

[Alidean]

We believe its not a good fight until the dreads and supers hit the field, sub caps are always just the tease, she's just licking the tip if you will, that swirly motion, once the dreads hit the field you're punching in her uvula and if you get to drop titans its like she said "its ok if you hold onto my ears for this part".

Your definition of good fights to us is a half measure, you're not really playing with all the toys the game has to offer.

Idk maybe you should look at the flaw in your thinking.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Grath again.

[Perseus Kallistratos]

We believe its not a good fight until the dreads and supers hit the field, sub caps are always just the tease, she's just licking the tip if you will, that swirly motion, once the dreads hit the field you're punching in her uvula and if you get to drop titans its like she said "its ok if you hold onto my ears for this part".

Your definition of good fights to us is a half measure, you're not really playing with all the toys the game has to offer.

Idk maybe you should look at the flaw in your thinking.

offer Nulli free super reimbursement and I'm sure they will drop them more often than you.

[Grath]

offer Nulli free super reimbursement and I'm sure they will drop them more often than you.

If only they had an ally with a large supercap fleet....

[Securitas]

If only they had an ally with a large supercap fleet....

-A-'s super fleet is a good deal smaller than PL/TEST's so this is a bit disingenuous.

[Atticus]

Do you guys want to sign an armistice?

PL is not allowed to bring FCs or supers
TEST is not allowed to bring more than 5% of its total members
Nulli is not allowed to post
-A- is not allowed to post, except for Vik Reddy, and their FCs shall not tell lies
Goons can come only in bombers
No Black(s) Legions
Everyone has to fly around in Drakes
Whoever has more dudes has to jump in to the other side
Delve Goons stop killing our CEOs

No Black(s) Legion

only if

No more KPOP
Babby Spike loses an Avatar.

8)

[Centra]

offer Nulli free super reimbursement and I'm sure they will drop them more often than you.

All BDCI towers will now be used to reimburse Nulli super losses.

o7m8s

[Elo]

All BDCI towers will now be used to reimburse Nulli super losses.

o7m8s

fuck u why you infract me

[Perseus Kallistratos]

-A-'s super fleet is a good deal smaller than PL/TEST's so this is a bit disingenuous.

don't try and make sense m8 they don't like it when you use facts

[Centra]

No Black(s) Legion

only if

No more KPOP
Babby Spike loses an Avatar.

8)

fuck u why you infract me

If I didn't someone else would have.

[Endie]

Test FCs and pilots against Nulli FCs and pilots. If they beat us up that way, I'll give them a lot of credit -- and so will the rest of the community. THAT would be them truly growing up and earning their stripes.

Test bros if you want the respect of the eve community you know what you have to do we in goonswarm also had to pass through this crucible before you in order to attain that same vital respect.

[Grath]

-A-'s super fleet is a good deal smaller than PL/TEST's so this is a bit disingenuous.

I think you're overestimating the current size of our superfleet, its been 6 months since its been in any real action, and a good portion of it swapped over to titans, and then stopped playing once they deep dicked titans.


Ours is currently smaller or around the same size as most peoples, the largest single superfleet at this time is probably the CFC superfleet.

[FinalShowdown]

Test bros if you want the respect of the eve community you know what you have to do we in goonswarm also had to pass through this crucible before you in order to attain that same vital respect.

We have to finish taking Delve before we can collapse into MATALOKMATALOKMATALOKMAT[ALOKM].

[grover clevland]

Everyone thinks it's a "good fight" until the enemy starts using some class of ship that you are either too pussy or too poor to use back at them.

But at least we know which side is better at maths.

[Scotch]

Ours is currently smaller or around the same size as most peoples, the largest single superfleet at this time is probably the CFC superfleet.

Aw yeah. Dem' POCO's best be watchin' out.

[Headblast]

I think you're overestimating the current size of our superfleet, its been 6 months since its been in any real action, and a good portion of it swapped over to titans, and then stopped playing once they deep dicked titans.


Ours is currently smaller or around the same size as most peoples, the largest single superfleet at this time is probably the CFC superfleet.

If a ping/sms/whatever goes out to all PL pilots with "GET ONLINE, huge supercap fight, 30 enemy supers tackled", wouldn't you see a flood of of super pilots login and scream for blood? That's how I (And probably a lot of other people) see PL currently, but I could be wrong of course.

As a secondary issue, I'd highly doubt the CFC would miss the opportunity to hotdrop a Nulli/-A- supercap fleet, which is probably quite a big deterrent. Had -A- an ally of NC.'ish number of supers, I think we'd see alot more "epic" supercap fights similar to the Uemon and O2O fights during NC vs. DRF

[Le'Blob]

I am not sure why -A- needs to use supers to fight PL, when they are perfectly capable of raping the combined PL and NCDOT super fleets with oracles. Sounds more like PL is just bitter as fuck about having spent trillions on paper weights that never get to be used except on structures, and are now wishing they had thought better.

[jeffraider]

ahahaha so we just need to reimburse nulli and what, buy -a- some supers?

that's it?

o0k

[jimmychrist]

All you need to do is think of Nulli as mercenaries. You pay them to fight.

[Alidean]

If a ping/sms/whatever goes out to all PL pilots with "GET ONLINE, huge supercap fight, 30 enemy supers tackled", wouldn't you see a flood of of super pilots login and scream for blood?

People have been known to almost bust they're shit getting out of gay/naked hot tub parties to scramble to the computer