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I like this guy.
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gah. The reason i dispise james315 and his posts is the nature of them. They are very well written pieces of propaganda, but then he makes comments about lack of concrete counter arguements and things of the sort. The issue I have have with even attempting to write a counter arguement is he never cites sources and never uses facts. Throws around general figures and players names but never includes where they are from.
Much like yourself.
still looking for goonfleet sponsorI cant write awesome walls of text tho
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lol good one, if you haven't noticed i have stopped trolling and now just correct mistakes that other posters such as liquid vision frequently make.
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There are a lot of rumors swirling around regarding Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp and its staff, claiming that I have resigned as CEO and have joined Goonfleet. For the sake of the Eve community, I will address these rumors and criticize BoB's recent war performance.
A YACAODI1MAC ANNOUNCEMENT
I must plough my lonely furrow...but by the time I get to the end of that furrow, it is possible that I may find myself not alone.
-- Archibald Philip Primrose
We are all worms. But I believe that I am a glow-worm.
-- Winston Churchill
It is true, I have resigned from the CEO position of YACAODI1MAC and joined Goonfleet. Some will see this as evidence that I am somehow biased against BoB and in favor of RSF. That is preposterous. I have made my reports about the war for the good of the community, including members of BoB who are consistently kept in the dark by their own leadership. The war between BoB and RSF is the biggest event in Eve's history, and the lack of reports from RSF and BoB sources, coupled with a near news blackout by Eve Tribune and the Eve Online news items, necessitated action by a brave young 1-man alt corp. While my reports have not been complimentary toward BoB for the past few months, is that my fault? I am not the reason they have done nothing but lose lately. Do I want BoB to be wiped off the face of Eve? Of course, but every other responsible Eve player, regardless of bias, wants the very same thing.
It is a tribute to the effectiveness of the BoB propaganda machine from its glory days that there are still people who are unaware that BoB is losing the war. But as the veneer of Invincible BoB is rolled back, more and more people have come to realize the truth. Consequently, the "Why is BoB Losing?" series has become more relevant than ever, with increasing numbers wanting to learn the reasons for the remarkable turnaround.
But there are also those who see BoB's consecutive losses for the past few months as merely part of a back-and-forth stalemate. I will clear up this confusion now. Yes, there has been back-and-forth. Forth for RSF, back for BoB. BoB has been losing this war in Eve Online the entire time. You see, prior to the "nerf" of titans, people on the eastern front did not play Eve Online--they played Titan Online.
Titans were not "nerfed". They were fixed. There is a big difference. Anyone can tell you that an invincible ship that instantly wipes out fleets poses more than a slight change in gameplay. The titans broke Eve. When they were finally fixed, pilots on the eastern front were able to square off against each other on Eve Online for the first time. It was not a "pro-Goon" patch; it was a pro-Eve patch. What happened in Titan Online is irrelevant, because it was an entirely different game. BoB's victories in Titan Online have no more bearing on the current situation than a tennis match defeat of rotund Remedial by the seismic Lady Scarlet.
Thus there is no reason to suspect that the "balance will be tipped" by additional patches. BoB was "good" at Titan Online, but they have been dreadful at Eve Online. From the first day Eve Online opened for business in the eastern front, BoB has failed to capture RSF systems, and has repeatedly lost systems and scores of deathstars. Since Eve Online began, BoB has lost over 70 deathstars and killed three--edging out the Minmatar *** Rights League for best effectiveness against RSF deathstars.
Why has BoB been performing so badly when it was so invincible in the past? If only someone would answer that question in a three-part CAOD series. Oh wait
(Proceed to section 2) ****
Incredibly, Dianabolic continues to spin the old BoB yarn about BoB only wanting good fights, not effortless wins. This presents an ideal opportunity to test the efficacy of YACAODI1MAC analysis versus BoB propaganda and conventional wisdom (conventional wisdom having been essentially dictated by the old BoB propaganda machine).
If BoB is correct about its pilots only wanting good fights, then participation should have skyrocketed after the titan fix, because BoB was then presented with a real challenge. If the YACAODI1MAC analysis is correct, BoB participation and morale should have been high during the Titan era because they were getting easy wins, and BoB participation and morale should have plummeted afterward, as BoB continued to be successfully challenged.
As one should expect from Eve's premier 1-man alt corp, YACAODI1MAC wins the day. All observers on the ground (including Dianabolic himself) report that BoB's participation has been steadily dropping, to the point where BoB has at times become heavily outnumbered even during its own primetime. BoB has become increasingly dependent upon its pets, some of whom were called in all the way from Fountain. Dianabolic concedes that his pilots have become burnt out and unwilling to show up for mandatory ops. He does not admit that it is because they have been deprived their easy wins. Instead, Dianabolic makes a claim that is becoming familiar among BoB apologists: they are simply tired of fighting all the time after all these years. This is an interesting hypothesis, made more interesting by the fact that they all got tired of fighting coincidentally at the same moment Titan Online ended--similar to how the RSF logistics machine is supposed to screech to a halt once they make a few more jumps west into Feythabolis. But it does raise a question I would love to see those apologists answer: what future is there for a PvP alliance whose pilots are tired of PvP?
As we have seen, BoB has been losing Eve Online during this entire conflict, even managing to lose deathstars during its own primetime. While BoB will never admit that they have been outclassed in Fleet Commander skill and strategy, they do confess they are being outnumbered. Many BoB have expressed a desire to see CCP "nerf numbers". Perhaps the fate of each system should be decided, tournament style, by a 5 vs. 5 match? In the event CCP declines to fundamentally break its own game again, BoB will need to deal with being outnumbered. Ironic, isn't it? Not too long ago, BoB was lecturing Goons on the need to "fit in" with the rest of the community and develop friendships rather than alienating people. I guess BoB wasn't as popular as it thought!
But in fairness, though BoB may lack friends, it does have a good supply of pets. Recently, a leader of the Feythabolis renter alliance known as "Rise" issued a morale blog to encourage his troops. The speech was remarkable, because it more closely resembled an alliance's last, desperate speech of a war than a speech delivered before an invasion had even taken place. It is strange timing. The invasion of Rise's space in Feythabolis is expected before RSF has even finished kicking BoB out of Omist. Perhaps Rise no longer has confidence in BoB's ability to defend Omist? Have Rise members been reading banned YACAODI1MAC literature again?
(Proceed to section 3) ****
I must speak concerning the FinFleet issue.
BoB's induction of FinFleet as a full member corp of BoB gives their alliance an unexpected shove down the road from tragedy to farce. BoB's skeptics muttered under their breath when DICE was created, and there were more than a few snide remarks when Shinra members began popping up with the Reikoku tag. But FinFleet broke all records when its admission as a member corp triggered uproarious laughter all across Eve. A screenshot of FinFleet's corp details, complete with shiny new "Band of Brothers" logo, was passed out in forums far and wide, causing many players to double-check and confirm its authenticity in-game. In CAOD, the news inspired more "laughing smiley" icons than most comedy threads. It is hard to imagine the Invincible BoB of a year ago as the laughing-stock of Eve.
Besides the lolz, FinFleet's admission into BoB represented a major shift in BoB policy for another reason. Previously, BoB was very strict about membership. Though many pilots across Eve wanted to join an alliance that never lost, only a handful were allowed. In addition to the more flexible skillpoint requirement, a new member had to have recommendations from at least two members of BoB in good standing. The exception was when BoB drafted the best PvP'ers from its defeated enemies. Being a member of a defeated alliance was not a black mark upon one's record--provided its defeat came directly from BoB. After all, Invincible BoB beat everyone, so losing to them was no source of shame. BoB's policy was exceedingly effective at keeping spies away. Though some might have accounts in both BoB and another alliance, one almost never spied against BoB because BoB was considered to be one's "true" alliance. Why? Because BoB was a winner, and everyone wants to be a winner. As I mentioned previously, even the mammoth ASCN had zero spies in BoB.
A major deviation occurred after BoB started losing the territory war in the beginning of the fight with ASCN. BoB began rapid recruitment of pilots, mostly former members of BoB. But eventually BoB recruited from Shinra, an LV corp. This was quite different. BoB had decided to draft players from a corporation that had been defeated by enemies of BoB, rather than BoB itself. BoB originally intended to get only the "best" of Shinra, but once they let in two members, all hell broke loose. Shinra members acted as references for one another in vast quantities, until almost anyone in Shinra who wanted in, got in--including non-combat pilots and some newbies. During Lotka Volterra's war against RSF, RSF had planted spies in Shinra, and those spies went right along into BoB: the infiltration of two alliances for the price of one. Because those RSF pilots were loyal to something other than guaranteed wins, BoB was seriously breached, and its security remains compromised to this day.
FinFleet was another Lotka Volterra corporation, one whose first claim to fame was when it sparked hilarity by calling the Finnish police after Goons infiltrated the corp and listened in on their TeamSpeak. (The Goon spies who had the patience to remain in FinFleet are now rewarded with BoB membership.) BoB reached a new low by recruiting not simply the "best" of FinFleet, but incorporating the whole corp. Why the full corp? SirMolle's explanation is that FinFleet was just that good. It is unclear why of all the PvP corps in Eve, FinFleet was chosen for this honor, but it is clear that having FinFleet as its own corp rather than drafting everyone into Reikoku (as with Shinra), Reikoku's corp Kill to Death ratio will not be harmed. Furthermore, as we saw with Shinra, accepting two or more pilots means accepting almost everyone eventually.
(Proceed to section 4) ****
To get the full picture of what has happened, one must understand the general political situation of Eve approximately one year ago. There were three big political blocs: BoB, ASCN, and D2 (the Reds and Goons were written off). As LV grew and grew (in quantity, not quality), more people began to speak of the "Big Four". But it was the BoB pilots who derided LV the most, describing it as a "bloated", "overgrown" alliance that was a slightly better than Xetic. Now, even as BoB loses its systems (those gained in rounds of Titan Online or otherwise), it has spurned its former focus on quality. With Shinra and FinFleet in tow, BoB frankly resembles Lotka Volterra a lot more than the BoB of the past, as overrated as it might have been. But at least BoB's incorporation of pets slightly masks its over-reliance on non-BoB pilots to make up for the dwindling participation of genuine ones.
Why is this so important? Because it underscores the fundamental changes that have been taking place in BoB over the last year. Defensive amidst all the laughter, Dianabolic claimed FinFleet belonged in BoB and, "it comes as no surprise that they have performed well enough to ***** in to BoB." I am probably not the only one who laughed upon reading this assertion. But to the hardcore BoB pilots of the past, it provokes grinding of teeth: a year ago, a statement like that about the exclusivity of BoB would have meant something. BoB was run on a model of an elite, tightly-knit group of "professionals". With each Shinra and FinFleet, BoB becomes more like a Band of Acquaintances than a Band of Brothers.
I am occasionally guilty of painting all of BoB with a bit of a broad brush. But there are, of course, divisions among the BoB members, particularly between those who have joined recently and those who were present from the beginning. Faced with unprecedented defeats, all BoB members agree they want a change of course, but they have different ideas of how to accomplish positive change. As with any alliance, you will not see the "dissenters" posting on CAOD or in other public forums, but they offer their suggestions endlessly in the internal forums to which spies now have access.
There are many in BoB who want to go back to their elite roots. After so much time has passed, the expulsion of former Shinra members is no longer a realistic possibility. But there was still hope that BoB's directorate had learned its lesson from the Shinra debacle and would not repeat its mistake a second time. The induction of FinFleet answered the question forever. SirMolle is committed to bringing in numbers. BoB has changed, and it will not change back. The BoB pilots who want to be part of an elite group instead of Lotka Volterra II have no choice but to part ways with SirMolle.
Incoming Roman Empire reference! Most historians agree that when the Roman Empire declined and fell, it was because they over-relied on conscripted barbarians (i.e. pets) for their defense, and that the Romans themselves, due to their own development and that of their barbarian neighbors, were simply not that much better than their enemies anymore. BoB is heavily outnumbered. It needs to be much better than its enemies in order to survive. Is it? Forget FinFleet...just wait until you see the corporations BoB will invite in the months to come.
It is said that BoB is stalling for time with its POS spam and its hardener spam ("our spam isn't as bad as D2's spam!", the spammers whine). They hope that with time, the situation will improve. But there is no hope on the horizon. It is a sign of how far BoB has fallen that it celebrates as a huge victory when it destroys a hostile deathstar in its own system during its own primetime--long gone are the days when SirMolle appeared only to announce the conquest of a region.
(Proceed to section 5) ****
Time is not on BoB's side. BoB's comparative situation with RSF today is much more equal than it will be in the near future. RSF's expansion, particularly in Goonfleet, is proceeding at a break-neck pace. Despite the rapid growth in the Goon capital and battleship fleet, it is still only in its infancy. Meanwhile, BoB will have fewer pets, less participation, and as the word spreads, BoB's new reputation will put an end to its long-standing aura of invincibility. Rather than recruiting enthusiastic new allies to the cause, BoB's decay will invite new enemies who desire BoB's territory, which is still the richest in Eve and ripe for the picking.
But enough about BoB. You read this post because you want to know why I left YACAODI1MAC. Just over four months ago, I created YACAODI1MAC with one goal in mind: to create the greatest 1-man CAOD alt corp in Eve history. My reports informed tens of thousands of Eve citizens about the greatest event in Eve history. Some decried them as propaganda, rarely making concrete arguments about why they were wrong. But as events unfolded on the ground, none could deny that my reports explained developments that my critics could not even predict.
And yet, even as my fondest dreams for YACAODI1MAC came true, I felt strangely unfulfilled. I reported and analyzed these magnificent occurrences, but I was not a part of them. No matter how many years pass until the Eve servers are turned off for their last and eternal downtime, the destruction of the Band of Brothers will always be considered the crowning achievement, the most glorious event ever to take place in the grand sandbox of Eve.
Eve will benefit immeasurably from the erasure of BoB and everything it represents. The war against BoB is to good an undertaking for me to pass by. I must enlist as a lowly grunt, pick up some cheap equipment, and let my guns do the talking. My only positive hope for BoB is that they last long enough for me to train dreadnought skills and siege the towers of NOL.
That is why I enter the war. And why should you, dear reader, choose to make yourself relevant to Eve and join the fight? Because thirty years from now, when you're sitting around the fireside with your grandson on your knee, and he asks you, "What did you do in the great war of Eve?", you won't have to say, "Well... I hauled veldspar in Geminate."
- 315
"Confound these wretched rodents! For every one I fling away, a dozen more vex me!" - Doctor Doom
James315 can make the bobbit puppets and their pets dance like no one else. Without fail, they flock to his threads like moths to a flame, and try to derail it.
If James was full of shit, then the blob of pets would barely respond. As it is, he's dead-on, and they know it.
Sadly your propaganda was never very well written
James uses facts all the time. When he states something has happened its happened. he may neglect to mention bad stuff but everything he says is true. He cant quote where he sites people as posting links or making references to outside forums (namely scrapheap challenge) is against Eve-O rules AFAIK and would be snipped. But I'm sure you could find Dianas whining by simply looking through SHC.. if he hadn't been banned, of course. Plenty of examples left though, and I'm sure there is some VERY interesting discussion going on in the Bob boards. And a look at Urfunnys posts you will find regurgitations of the very stuff James is talking about anyway.
Moving onto this James post.
I think his focusing on Shinra and Finfleet in this one is a little off the mark. Bob are not losing just because they incorporated shinra and finfleet. He may be correct that that how some spies got in that way, but I think there were spies in there before. They are losing simply because in the final analysis they are and were not that good. Once the skill point difference closed they had little to fall back on. And their booting of loyal pets like Xelas, the removal of their best friends in the senior devs to World of Darkness, and subtle changes in the game (no I'm not talking about the titan correction) have left them twisting in the wind. That and their enemies have developed counters to their lag effect means that they are now left in the uncomfortable situation if fighting enemies that *shock* can actually shoot back.
I think I'll create my own little "why are bob losing" post at some point.
"Confound these wretched rodents! For every one I fling away, a dozen more vex me!" - Doctor Doom
Yes, I was going to point this out as well. The Titan Nerf might have been blow #1, but the BoB/DEV Nerf was probably blow #2. (in fact you could probably swap the order of importance there..)
He does not state facts he makes statements. 70 towers lost 3 destroyed is not a fact is a incorrect statement. You are allowed to quote others yet he doesn't quote diana once. Diana is not banned from SHC and old posts of banned members aren't removed.Sadly your propaganda was never very well written
James uses facts all the time. When he states something has happened its happened. he may neglect to mention bad stuff but everything he says is true. He cant quote where he sites people as posting links or making references to outside forums (namely scrapheap challenge) is against Eve-O rules AFAIK and would be snipped. But I'm sure you could find Dianas whining by simply looking through SHC.. if he hadn't been banned, of course. Plenty of examples left though, and I'm sure there is some VERY interesting discussion going on in the Bob boards. And a look at Urfunnys posts you will find regurgitations of the very stuff James is talking about anyway.
I think I'll create my own little "why are bob losing" post at some point.
Once again i never spewed propaganda i either trolled or corrected your pathetic attempts at an arguement. As you and liquid vision quickly found out last night i clearly know more about eve and what is going on in eve then either of you.
and if you are sure there are some very interesting discussions going on on the bob boards then prove it.
Thats just like saying im sure there are interesting discussions going on between people in eve sometimes.
Since I'm bored ill take some time to pose counter arguements to James Points.
"But there are also those who see BoB's consecutive losses for the past few months as merely part of a back-and-forth stalemate. I will clear up this confusion now. Yes, there has been back-and-forth. Forth for RSF, back for BoB. BoB has been losing this war in Eve Online the entire time. You see, prior to the "nerf" of titans, people on the eastern front did not play Eve Online--they played Titan Online."
So lets shrink the spectrum of the war here and not look at the first phase. If we are speaking purely of stations lost or gained it is BoB 1 D2EZ, RSF 1 R97.
"From the first day Eve Online opened for business in the eastern front, BoB has failed to capture RSF systems, and has repeatedly lost systems and scores of deathstars. Since Eve Online began, BoB has lost over 70 deathstars and killed three--edging out the Minmatar *** Rights League for best effectiveness against RSF deathstars."
The figure stands at 5 RSF destroyed and BoB has lost 37 large towers. it will break 50 if GF does well destroying the 9-9 towers that they reinforced yesterday.
"All observers on the ground (including Dianabolic himself) report that BoB's participation has been steadily dropping, to the point where BoB has at times become heavily outnumbered even during its own primetime. "
Pure speculaction no source mentioned or quotation given.
"BoB's induction of FinFleet as a full member corp of BoB gives their alliance an unexpected shove down the road from tragedy to farce. BoB's skeptics muttered under their breath when DICE was created"
As has been mentioned before DICE was the reformation of ATUK and their was very little doubt where they would end up. Once again he failed to mention names of the BoB's skeptics who muttered. Also he is to young ingame to have been around during these times.
"Faced with unprecedented defeats, all BoB members agree they want a change of course, but they have different ideas of how to accomplish positive change"
Failure to site any evidence. Therefore must be speculation.
"There are many in BoB who want to go back to their elite roots"
Failure to site any evidence. Therefore must be speculation.
The failure to site evidence and rampant speculation is all throughout this thread. While it is true that currently things are not working for bob and that they are heavily outnumbered even counting there pets its not as if anything else has any basis or foundation.
You must be bored alot. I've been posting here since January and you're post count is already approaching mine. Get a life, troll/pet.
btw, don't quit your day job (junior high?), you suck at this.
Sadly I did not rate James' latest effort very highly, it had little new information and, in my opinion, contained at least a few falsehoods. For instance, it was one of BoB's leaders (I want to say Dian again but it could be someone else) who I remember being one of the loudest proponents of the "big 4" idea. At the time I thought that that was said to belittle D2 but looking back he was pretty much right.
The other problem I had with this most recent post was that it spent too much time repeating stuff we already know. I am aware that it was written that way to beat the points through thick pubbie skulls but it still made for repetitive reading to an almost Teletubbiesque extent.
Badges of Honor: Three probations, one reversed.
This is a prime example of why I like this guy's posts, because he explains it so succinctly:
That's what is so damn hilarious about all of this. BoD's acts of desperation, grasping for any straws they can to prolong the inevitable, have practically sealed their fate.A major deviation occurred after BoB started losing the territory war in the beginning of the fight with ASCN. BoB began rapid recruitment of pilots, mostly former members of BoB. But eventually BoB recruited from Shinra, an LV corp. This was quite different. BoB had decided to draft players from a corporation that had been defeated by enemies of BoB, rather than BoB itself. BoB originally intended to get only the "best" of Shinra, but once they let in two members, all hell broke loose. Shinra members acted as references for one another in vast quantities, until almost anyone in Shinra who wanted in, got in--including non-combat pilots and some newbies. During Lotka Volterra's war against RSF, RSF had planted spies in Shinra, and those spies went right along into BoB: the infiltration of two alliances for the price of one. Because those RSF pilots were loyal to something other than guaranteed wins, BoB was seriously breached, and its security remains compromised to this day.
FinFleet was another Lotka Volterra corporation, one whose first claim to fame was when it sparked hilarity by calling the Finnish police after Goons infiltrated the corp and listened in on their TeamSpeak. (The Goon spies who had the patience to remain in FinFleet are now rewarded with BoB membership.) BoB reached a new low by recruiting not simply the "best" of FinFleet, but incorporating the whole corp. Why the full corp? SirMolle's explanation is that FinFleet was just that good. It is unclear why of all the PvP corps in Eve, FinFleet was chosen for this honor, but it is clear that having FinFleet as its own corp rather than drafting everyone into Reikoku (as with Shinra), Reikoku's corp Kill to Death ratio will not be harmed. Furthermore, as we saw with Shinra, accepting two or more pilots means accepting almost everyone eventually.
BoD may claim they'll root out the spies. Really? REALLY? Do you think anyone who actually was a spy in Shin or Fin is going to be stupid enough to make a mistake or fuck up somehow that it will bring attention to them. Oh hell no. They will not screw up this golden opportunity.
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Right, blow #3 is massive infiltration of BoB by enemy spies. Something that before now was very difficult to do due to their invite-only admission policy.
"Band of Acquaintances"
Classic
Since i'm bored I'll counter yours.
1) What is the first phase? LV falling? ASCN? Before/After?
2) You including pets (Soco etc) towers donated by BoB?
3) Believable. Understandable. Proof/Stfu?
4) General attitude seems to be DICE is the weakest link. Goodbye
5) True dat. BoB has suffered bigger defeats in the past. Killing the PA in... what... 9 months? 12 months? More? Weak, bloated industrial alliance and all... BoB are getting pwned and the rapetrain isn't stopping anytime soon. Lack of citations doesn't mean it's wrong.
6) See 5) (above).
7) The failure to cite evidence is rampant throughout the BoB 'retorts' and is quite clearly visible in the previous posts by James, single line retorts from BoB and pets with no substance would seem to indicate knee-jerk reactions from sore losers unaccustomed to the humiliation in eve.
Reading CAOD today I had to laugh. I guess BoBs forum ban has been modified to a pet-trolling endorsion. For the BoB I've known for 3+ years now that's just the definition of weak.
You proved nothing of the sort! Inaccuracies in what we were saying? Grow up you little twit! If believing bob would actually do the smart thing and not waste their time doing something inaptly stupid was us being incorrect then hey guess what, guilty!
First I never said old posts of banned members are removed. I said the opposite in fact!
I said "I am sure there are interesting discussions." Not "I know there are interesting discussions." If there are not then BOB are a bunch of brainwashed nitwits singing "Everythings ok! Cum-bye-aaa!" Hell maybe they are doing that. I don't know. I don't have access to the BOB boards. You claim you don't either. O.k. wise ass, prove there are not such threads.
Third you are going the same trick as BOB does. Only POSes owned by BOB are important. All those owned by the plebs are not counted at all because they are not important. Guess what redswarm have killed 57 POSes in the counter offensive, Bob have killed 3 in return. NO-ONE disputes these figures. Only you. A lot of them while not technically owned by BOB were given to the pets by BOB. If you count whats NOT going on at the "front" alone then hell yeah theres been 70 GBC deathstars poped if not more. I know of at least 5 around here. I've seen 2 with my own bloody eyes. Actually, I tell a lie. There was also the 2 BOB large towers I've seen poped too before BOB could even online them. So, that makes around 7, 4 of which I've seen. My bad. Did you know about those?
You know fuck all about that is going on on eve. Absalutly fuck all. I bet you think theres lots of happy bob people in Delve and Paragon and stuff too don't you? All you know is what your fed and the distortions fed to you. Have you even considered what the red alliance was doing during that 0-0 thing, for instance? Or why bob is being forced to take back those systems from FREGE by POS spam? Bet you believed that IACs morale was collapsing too.
I'm not wasting any more time on this. Whatever makes you feel happier at night and stuff..
"Confound these wretched rodents! For every one I fling away, a dozen more vex me!" - Doctor Doom
wow i really got to you. it really upset you that i have proven you wrong time and time again hasn't it?
The only thing you've "proven" around here is that you're a drooling 'tard that belongs on the short bus in a neck brace, diapers, and one of those tard helmets..
DERRR good one
Snappy comeback!
I was sitting in a covert unable to help my guys in a battle when I read that (bar reporting the stream of reinforcements that allowed said reinforcements to get caught and killed) so I was a bit stressed. 3 hours of uninterrupted mining later and I was happy as a clam
You didn't challenge anything I said btw. Oh well
"Confound these wretched rodents! For every one I fling away, a dozen more vex me!" - Doctor Doom
I will challenge it.I was sitting in a covert unable to help my guys in a battle when I read that (bar reporting the stream of reinforcements that allowed said reinforcements to get caught and killed) so I was a bit stressed. 3 hours of uninterrupted mining later and I was happy as a clam
You didn't challenge anything I said btw. Oh well
1. No discussions about negative things on the Bob boards. Unlike most alliances BoB members are smart enough to know that things are not going well atm and are also smart enough to know why.
2. James doesnt use facts. He uses stuff fed to him from others. Honestly, for most BoB members, he is a laughingstock. I never get the whole "I am so envious of BoB that I need to try my best to spew stupid stuff that only 20 year olds that act like 12 year olds will buy" thing. Of course when the audience you are trying to impress are those same 20 year olds...
3. All POS's are important. However, when someone posts this: "Since Eve Online began, BoB has lost over 70 deathstars and killed three" a smart man would read it to mean BOB. Does it make the POS's that the pets have lost any less important in the big scheme of things? No. But here we are back to James posting facts. Quite simply, he doesnt.
4. You like to discount all the negative things for your side while screaming about the positive. At the present time BoB is losing ground, no doubt. However, if you have played the game for more than a month you should have expected that. It is this way every year. When I joined BoB a while back it was a month or two before summer. Those first couple of months were incredible. Constant pvp and it was a blast. By the end of June I was bored stiff. There were very few gangs going out to pvp and it was boring. September came and it began to pick back up. Will that happen here? Probably. If not then BoB will continue to lose ground. That being said you should also take into account that the goons havent advanced against the BoB that is fielding gangs of 50. I would imagine it will get harder and harder as the BoB pilots become active again. Furthermore, where are we fighting now? Have we made it to Delve yet? At least into Period, right? After two months you have moved 5 jumps. At this pace it will be 2010 when you reach TPAR.
Now for the important part. If you honestly believe, as many on here have pointed out, that CCP is going to leave the game the way it is now, you are crazy. I know of several members in BoB who are in the process of gathering faction gear for multiple super caps in anticipation of CCP fixing the game. Was it broken when the Titans/Moms were invincible? Sure. Is it just as broken now? Yep. CCP never intended a bunch of cruisers being able to fly around a POS untouched by the guns. That encourages blobs, which they have stated over and over they dont want. When that is fixed you will see RA begin to lose ground as their pets (goons) wont be able to help them in any real way. The only reason the game is going the way it is going now is because of the blob. Do I blame the goons? Nope. Will it get fixed? Yep. Will it be in time to change the course of the war? I think so, but who knows.
Finally, if you think James has some kind of great information gatherer feeding him his information you are very easily fooled. Anyone can look at the BoB gangs and understand that right now they are having a hard time due to the lack of active pilots. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that the lag created by a blob of 300 goons makes it tough to fight them with 75 BoB. Do I applaud goons for using the mechanics the way that CCP will let them? You bet. Will I laugh when they begin their whining with the changes? You bet. I hate to disappoint you all, but before you write BoB off you should take into account that those changes are coming just as anyone with half a brain knew the Titan changes were coming.
Or they are afraid to mention that the apple on the room is actually rotten and not sweet smelling like the boss says it is. Yes, the Emporer is actually wearing a finely crafted suit.. and not mention its his underwear.
Absence of discussion is not evidence of intelligence in other words. Theres plenty of discussion on boards that I read about the bad stuff thats happening and how to improve it. Ignoring the subject does not mean everyone is psychically nodding about the problem and contemplating in their internal soul.
Oh dear you never said that his stuff was untrue. Dear oh dear.2. James doesnt use facts. He uses stuff fed to him from others. Honestly, for most BoB members, he is a laughingstock. I never get the whole "I am so envious of BoB that I need to try my best to spew stupid stuff that only 20 year olds that act like 12 year olds will buy" thing. Of course when the audience you are trying to impress are those same 20 year olds...
Your pet Torshin was only counting those lost on the front line between rsf and redwarm , a very narrow focus. I pointed out 2 others that I know of that have been lost. How many more have been lost that are not "public knowlage" or are otherwise not important?3. All POS's are important. However, when someone posts this: "Since Eve Online began, BoB has lost over 70 deathstars and killed three" a smart man would read it to mean BOB. Does it make the POS's that the pets have lost any less important in the big scheme of things? No. But here we are back to James posting facts. Quite simply, he doesnt.
Blah blah. It took weeks for you lot to be pushed out of 9-9.. and since then the pace of pushback has only accelerated. And its amazing that no-one mentioned all this summer shit when the pushback started. People screamed about the barbecue, and other stuff. The point is that your participation dropped because of your losing. Your lack of participation did not cause the losing. You are trying to say the snake is crawling backwards. You can argue that some of the losses since are because of the lack of participation, but they first blow was because you guys started losing your nicely fitted ships and *sob* had to start posting losses (mostly) Did it ever occur to you that maybe oh maybe the other sides participation is down too?4. You like to discount all the negative things for your side while screaming about the positive. At the present time BoB is losing ground, no doubt. However, if you have played the game for more than a month you should have expected that. It is this way every year. When I joined BoB a while back it was a month or two before summer. Those first couple of months were incredible. Constant pvp and it was a blast. By the end of June I was bored stiff. There were very few gangs going out to pvp and it was boring. September came and it began to pick back up. Will that happen here? Probably. If not then BoB will continue to lose ground. That being said you should also take into account that the goons havent advanced against the BoB that is fielding gangs of 50. I would imagine it will get harder and harder as the BoB pilots become active again. Furthermore, where are we fighting now? Have we made it to Delve yet? At least into Period, right? After two months you have moved 5 jumps. At this pace it will be 2010 when you reach TPAR.
Also bob is far bigger than it was before. If vacations were the truth then you would have more people on ops anyway. If the percentage of people in bob active on ops is the same, say 5% then as bob grows then the people on ops would grow, because the percentage of people on ops as a proportion to the totality of BOB should have grown. Instead, its shrunk.
I don't discount anything negative about our side at all. Unlike you we are not really liars. I'm not involved in the battle directly, and am just enjoying watching the humiliation of MC. You guys simply cannot get it through your head that the opposition may actually be skilled pilots. The fact that those guys on the other side may be the exact same as you terrifies the living hell out of you. Torshin was causght when he tried to say that we said that BOB would be gone in 2 months and he could only pull out a vauge 6 month old quote from D2.
And I haven't had to come on this side as at least 2 different alts and spread totally different stories about what I do. That is lying, even on the internet.
Praying to CCP wont help you. And CCP have stated that they want a role for smaller ships on the battlefield and not have battles decided by those who are just able to field nothing but blobs of big capital ships. Oddly the only ones that are playing the game as designed, namely capitals, battleships with support surrounding and protecting them are.. the coalition. Your side are still trying to blob with caps and crying that its not working anymore.Now for the important part. If you honestly believe, as many on here have pointed out, that CCP is going to leave the game the way it is now, you are crazy. I know of several members in BoB who are in the process of gathering faction gear for multiple super caps in anticipation of CCP fixing the game. Was it broken when the Titans/Moms were invincible? Sure. Is it just as broken now? Yep. CCP never intended a bunch of cruisers being able to fly around a POS untouched by the guns. That encourages blobs, which they have stated over and over they dont want. When that is fixed you will see RA begin to lose ground as their pets (goons) wont be able to help them in any real way. The only reason the game is going the way it is going now is because of the blob. Do I blame the goons? Nope. Will it get fixed? Yep. Will it be in time to change the course of the war? I think so, but who knows.
I notice you have switched from sneering with "t1 frigs on Poses" to now "cruisers" Thats is of course a damn lie, not only because people are now able to control the guns. Cruisers are simply not able to cause enough damage to the guns and if they get clipped by guns they die. In every pos assault I have seen recently the smallest unit I've seen is a battlecruiser. Even BCs are risky as hell. Everything else gets blown up, so people don't use them. There is no point they will just get killed. The only thing that smaller is ever called in for is to clean off enemy support from the big guns then the support leaves the pos. If they reversed this they would have to remove cyno-jammers and other stuff. Also you are depending on a small number of people to be online for an op. With the new changes you can launch attacks far more readily around the clock, and thats a pretty good thing.
And you have inadvertently revealed yourself here. Anyone that is a newer player and doesn't have 20 million skillpoints SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO WIN!!! It's your own sneering elitism that has you where you are right now. So, tell me, why shouldn't a 5 mill pilot be allowed to beat a 20 million skillpoint pilot. How does it benefit the game to remove that possibility?
Haa haa.. Guess what d0ri5 (cute avatar btw, does it feel nice to be inside a womans body?), let me clue you in. In the recent battle in 9-9 the goons outnumbered your side by.. 25 pilots. Thats it. That "huge blob" that raped your side and had Dianabolic screaming was only 25 pilots greater than your fleet. Were you told that?Finally, if you think James has some kind of great information gatherer feeding him his information you are very easily fooled. Anyone can look at the BoB gangs and understand that right now they are having a hard time due to the lack of active pilots. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that the lag created by a blob of 300 goons makes it tough to fight them with 75 BoB. Do I applaud goons for using the mechanics the way that CCP will let them? You bet. Will I laugh when they begin their whining with the changes? You bet. I hate to disappoint you all, but before you write BoB off you should take into account that those changes are coming just as anyone with half a brain knew the Titan changes were coming.
And guess what you guys had 0-0 stuffed with 200 pilots and you never faced more than 150 goons. 200 in gang, local never topped 350, you do the maths homeboy. Diana looked at the goon teamspeak and counted 350.. but at any time a quarter of the people on the goon TS are just on it and don't even play the game anymore. Plus a lot are inactive. ALSO you had masses of fighters deployed. Guess what, fighters create masses of lag. Also, they are run server side and are therefore effectively unaffected by the lag they generate. Once you set them going they will run around and choose targets themselves, and the lag doesn't stop that. Essentially despite your screaming about 300 goons generating lag, you were sitting with a force designed both to generate the massive amount of lag and to win the battle without you having to do anything, which was nessesery because of the massive amount of lag you were generating yourself. In other words, you were using lagsploits and anyone "with a brain" knows it. Drones work the same to a lesser extent btw.
Sadly, in other words, you are being hosed by goon gangs that are more or less even and you are having to blob and break the game to scrape a win. Hurts doesn't it.
What you are saying is odd because your side were arguing valiantly that Titans were nessesery because they were "anti blob." This is the first time I have every heard a bob member say that titans were unbalanced. Ergo a few paying customers should be able to beat a lot more paying customers because.. well they were in the game longer.. and stuff. And where are your titans now? Not on the front line certainlyIronicly you forced the Goons to step up their game in response the stupidity of titans.. and when the were corrected you then faced a ravening horde of rock solid PVPers that knew exactly what they were doing and didn't care about anything as long as you died.
And remember your alliance was for a long time known as "BlOB" to everyone else.
You like to scream about changes coming.. well guess what the vast majority of people love the changes to the warfare. They feel they can actually go out and fight effectively again and not have a hope because of stupid game mechanics. They like being about to contribute to a pos assault with their battleships and not losing to the other side simply because the other side had a bunch of dreads. And as I said you dont have to depend on your limited number of dread pilots to be online to do an op, which is good for the dread pilots. Its only you that hate it, and yes you have the ear of the devs on MSN, but when it comes right down to it, your best dev friends are now working on another game, the ones there now don't have the history of loyalty to you, and they are less likely to ask your advice about anything game related. They will spot that any side will try and push things to his advantage. And they know if they change things too much they will face a mass walkout. They are on VERY thin ice at the moment. That jingling wallet is a really big reason to ignore Diana's increasingly irritating demands on email and MSN.
Of course you may have been told of upcoming game changes because of your ISD contacts which is why your smirking a lot. In that case this game is dead and noone will give a crap anymore. But you will know in your heart of hearts that player skill for player skill, you lost. Pilot on pilot, you lost.
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QFT.
Torshin, you aren't even regurgitating crap that's funny to read. It's 99% bullcrap. I do my absolute best when I read these threads to think of it from the "other" side (I'm anti-bob myself). And I have found some useful arguments and info from some of the pro-bob posters. The funny thing is I find better pro-bob arguments (read, ones worth listening to) on this forum than I do in CAOD. Part of that is due to spam of course (much easier to read all the threads relevant here).
So thanks (on occasion) to Urfunny and others, but Torshin please go back to your bridge and wait for the foolish goats to pass. Maybe you can trick them still.
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As far as James315, I have to agree that his posts are pretty good information, although you need to weed through them some, and remember that a lot of it is based on popular consensus or solely the best facts he could manage to find. Wonder if he reads here.
BUT MY POST COUNT IS HIGHER THEN URSQFT.
Torshin, you aren't even regurgitating crap that's funny to read. It's 99% bullcrap. I do my absolute best when I read these threads to think of it from the "other" side (I'm anti-bob myself). And I have found some useful arguments and info from some of the pro-bob posters. The funny thing is I find better pro-bob arguments (read, ones worth listening to) on this forum than I do in CAOD. Part of that is due to spam of course (much easier to read all the threads relevant here).
So thanks (on occasion) to Urfunny and others, but Torshin please go back to your bridge and wait for the foolish goats to pass. Maybe you can trick them still.
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As far as James315, I have to agree that his posts are pretty good information, although you need to weed through them some, and remember that a lot of it is based on popular consensus or solely the best facts he could manage to find. Wonder if he reads here
^^^ yeah and you can use an avatar now.
Hmm, perhaps because I only post when I have something I feel is contructive.
Or maybe some of the blame is that I don't use more than one post to reply to a several people at once.
Or maybe because I don't troll.
Or maybe because my attention is focused on the analysis of the information and how it relates to me in game, rather than trying to derail topics and/or spread disinformation and propaganda to people who aren't going to fall for it.
Whichever answer it is, I'm sure more people still take the time to read my posts than do yours.
Have fun though, I'm sure your time is worth so little that hanging out on these boards enough to post as often as you do is worth it. Me, I have a job, friends, a girlfriend, and an active character in EVE. So forums play 5th fiddle (if that).
I don't have a job, I don't have friends, I don't have a girlfriend and I don't play eve so i guess forums play 1st fiddle YA
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Torshin dude, I gotta be honest with you. This sort of obsession really just isn't healthy. I mean even if the bit about "no friends, no job, etc" was a fakepost, your relationship with EVE is pretty strikingly abnormal.
I can feel for you when I see you get stressed out and pissed at Goonswarm for ruining GONAD in the way we did, but being a "forum warrior" and fighting a little crusade against goons like this really isn't the way to live your life.
So yeah, I'd like to be a little more articulate about this but it just isn't coming to me right now, but seriously, I respectfully exhort you to take a step away from your computer and go outside. Go for a walk, seek your real interests, and if you still feel better doing what you're doing right now, then I guess that's how its meant to be.
But really, if you're not totally happy with your condition, you need to do something about it. Nevermind that I'm a member of goonfleet, just help yourself. Push EVE as far out of your mind as you can and see if it makes you happier.
take it or leave it, anyway
but then what will i do with all my free time before i start 6th grade?
Sigh, you guys are so easily trolled lol
I don't give a shit about what's fakepost or not, the dude is fucking batty.
no you are just upset that i have successfully trolled prolly 65 to 70 percent of the posters here. If you want ill start posting for real, but my trolling spices up the treads
You can say that, you can hate him all you want but no matter how crazy some of the shit he says can be (keep in mind much of it is just to get a rise out of us) keeps us somewhat in check by offering another perspective.
As much as I hate BoB, and trust me I hate them, the anti-bob conspiracy circle jerks we get going on around here can really just be sickening. Its guys like Torshin, Arfarf, urfunny, etc that actually make this board interesting, especially since there hasnt been a whole lot of ccp scandal as of late
props, Ill cut it back on the trolling and now just provide counter perspectives. Its time to take these boards to the next level
i'm not an idiot guys i was just trolling you
jeez i can't believe you couldn't figure it out. noobs.
i c wat u did thari'm not an idiot guys i was just trolling you
jeez i can't believe you couldn't figure it out. noobs.
lol who gave me that avatarr?
hahaha, wasnt me
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