yeah...when somebody finds the solution to blobbing, be sure to let ccp know.
yeah...when somebody finds the solution to blobbing, be sure to let ccp know.
My main point is the Blob, Team Tech super blob or CFS blot out the sun Blob has nothing to do with the sov system. It's a herd mentality and it will never change so the thought that changing sov will change the blob is stupid.Originally Posted by drift
But both sides if your dropping 60 titans or deploying 1200 dudes are not doing it for good fights they are doing it to win a fight. Granted it's more understanding the smaller group dropping tracking titans to win if they are outnumbered but neither side does what they do looking for good fight.
lmao do people in smaller alliances actually want sov.
right now the sov mechanics are indeed retarded but it's not like 50 dudes can't fuck up an alliance on the regular or at least annoy them while having fun.
also complaining about the blob is silly as people will naturally ~band together~ and numbers are just a strength of theirs, like isk/sp to other groups.
OMGz BOB is going to conquer all of 0.0. CCP fix your game!
OMGz DRF is going to conquer all of 0.0. CCP fix your game!
OMGz CFC is going to conquer all of 0.0. CCP fix your game!
POCO HP is fine btw. A 12 man gank fleet can reinforce in less than 15 minutes. Or do you guys want them to be targets for solo bombers?
I think EVE players have been crying about blobs since 2 dudes ganked a solo pilot. It's part of the game. Adapt or die.
No, sov is worthless.
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The irony is not lost that NCdot, the entity that banded together with the largest supercapital blob in eve history to take out the former kings of blobbing, the NC, is now complaining about the very tactic that secured their space for them. ablooabloo.
I have been in the blob and fought the blob I am not crying my point is no small alliance will take and hold space regardless what you do with the sov system because of the blob and hearing CFC come up with all these ideas to encourage small alliances in 0.0 is funny because they are one of the first people that will dog pile pure numbers to destroy any entity that might want a piece of Cloud Ring or Pure Blind for example (Not sure why anyone would though) and they would not do it looking for good fights but with 1200 dudes piled into a system at a time.
In theory there ideas could work if for the simple fact there was no such thing as a blue list a mile long for them. All it comes across as is "we don't want to grind a region as long as we have to, because hell Raidendot is not even fighting us." But rolling 1200 dudes out is probably more of a reason why they are not getting fights then anything else.
I like how you are complaining about the occasional amassing of FORTY (40) of a shiptype as blobbing VERSUS constant 1500+ man fleets lmao stupid goons
It is going to be near impossible to convince ccp to remove blobbing. They only spent the last year defending the game mechanic as a way to generate huge, impossible battles that they can show as a sign of "bigger things to come".
Clearly blobbing is a fact of the game that will never end. I mean, Goons called every single blue they had to take an undefended region. If thats not overkill I dont know what is.
If you kill enough of them they stop fighting - Gen. Curtis Lemay
Fear the KKM
Why not add options, instead of trying to completely overhaul the current system? There is a gameplay gap that could be filled and that would harbor the small groups that can't compete on a timers game: Add space "between" wormholes and nullsec. Make it so that mobility works just like k-space (static gates, cap and supercap jumping, etc)... but give it no local and no static resources (instead, you can use an incursion-like mechanic where a type or resource, be it rats or minerals, appears at random intervals in random areas). This would require a few fixes to make it work, including making POSes something bearable and a (long overdue anyway) rework of profits from highsec to w-space, so this new "fringe regions" sit between wormholes and nullsec in terms of income.
The blob is never going away, short of CCP instancing the objectives or some other stupid mechanic, and it's part of EVE's charm (huge fleetfights can be awesome, and we all know that), so instead of trying to fix horses, let's make bycicles for those who don't want to ride hairy beasts.
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tl;dr
nerf horses
What do you think of our blob
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Greyscale can fix blobbing really easily.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...J9YrkM#t=1480s
Ive always wondered what attracts so many people to goons + pets(or any large coalition for that case). Like already said in the talk of blobbing most people that join these alliances, just follow fc orders and f1 + f2, having never been part of a large coalition, isnt it more fun to actually learn to get better at pvp via small gang/solo pvp? surely there is a point when you turn into a drone, doing nothing but orbiting/shooting/jumping and skill comes into it alot less?
LOL, if a 150 man fleet had tried to take a system we all know that a Raiden fleet would have dropped them asap. They only stopped defending it when they decided they couldn't win.
Seems to be that CFC are allowing Raiden to live in Vale out of the kindness of their hearts.
seems to me like youre a huge fucking faggot holy fuck
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How do you know this is all they ever field if you have never been in a big coalition? Why do you assume they are always in "1500" men fleetfights? Have you read this somewhere, and taken it as gospel? Can you not think for yourself?
There are as many 10 men gangs as there are "1500" men fleets. You can actually make a gang of what ever size you like. Seems like you decided your playstyle is the "right" playstyle in a sand box game. Why don't you fuck off then?
The true sign of a successful war is the degeneration of a thread into slapfights about blobs.
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Let's listen to Uncle Elo as he tells us about being a "huge fucking faggot"
there's no understanding why sheeple goonies like to blob
they should play how I like to play instead
No one in this game can rally your boys as well as you can. I'm not sure how or why. Sov grind is just not enjoyable (unless it was their first time doing it or something).
You are implying that the majority of people in EVE are skilled at EVE, or indeed that they are capable of taking discipline and orders beyond "jesus you faggots start shooting things".
Even among people who think themselves elite, that's a fairly rare thing.
I can actually confirm this
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dehumanize your enemy by equating them to long defunct organizations you hated five years ago and if that fails fall back to decade old tabletop gaming me mes
have a lawyer voice
that's what works on me anyway
I think you misunderstand how the CFC works. PVP in many of the members if either 100% or near as damn it reimbursable. If you take part in an official alliance fleets, be it small gang, bomber, roam, gate camp, sov warfare etc you lose something you get it back. That means you can do as much PVP as you want it in any type and you don't have to worry about ratting/mining/trading the lost back up.
Other alliances who have a more elitist membership policy may get to fly more expensive ships but I'm not sure they get the level of enthusiasm you get in a more casual organisation.
People generally only moan about blobs when they are losing, otherwise they past of their victories as a sign of their awesomeness. In my experience the skills you use in small gang are pretty much the ones you use in large fleets, when it comes down to skill of the FC and the ability of the fleet members not to be morons - other peoples mileage my vary.
Solo is a skill, granted.
There is very little need for skill in today's EvE. If you can join goons/test/current blob-of-the-month you need minimal player micro/macro ability. The smaller the fleet the more need for player skill is how i've always seen it.
I never said that the majority of people are "elite", i was just saying that i feel people would enjoy the game more if they were to try and improve their skills rather than the typical actions iinvolved with a tidi fight, surely most people play games to get better? id be rather pissed if i played hon for a year and was 1200mmr for instance.
What i mean is that there are people that dont even understand the basics such as transversal/kiting even.
You only have to camp vfk for 20 mins and you will find a lot of people that undock and die because they have moved before their invuln timer is over or they burn straight at your 10 man fleet and die horribly.
I think you greatly over-estimate most EvE players. Most people want a game they can log into and be handed regular pvp. Joining a blob means they can win a fair number of times and they need very little skill to do their part.
Can't we just all agree that the side that wins is the one that blobs?
I mean, even in a fight between similarly active opponents, the losing alliance/coalition will steadily lose participation, creating the numbers gap the leads to accusations of blobbing.
This whole conversation is redundant the the point of irrelevance and only serves to make one side feel morally superior to another.
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Most people want to log in, shoot rats or get some kms, and log out. They don't care about transversal or politics or strategy or aggression mechanics or whatever.
Surely most people play games to have fun?
It's a fucking game, not a sport or a job.
Making and keeping friends is a skill.
The majority of people feel this way. There does exist a minority that gives toomanyfucks about this shitty game.
Eve is a contact sport from what I am seeing.
My point now lost in the conversation of blobbing and faggots is null sec will never attract a bunch of small alliances into it because no matter the sov mechanics the blob will wipe the smaller groups out. That being said hearing CFC talk about sov system sucking says damn it another undefended region we have to grind but we want good fights and to that my answer is don't dog pile 1200 dudes in a system or within 2 or 3 jumps of ech other, and some of your fleets may get good fights.
Isn't judging the overall ability in a corps/alliance based on the people you kill on a roam a little dumb? It's not at all difficult to find people who absolutely understand PVP in Goons, NC. razor, test, Raiden etc on a regular basis. Most of the factions in the Tenal war run more than one PVP fleet every night, they know what they are doing. Blob warfare and small gang PVP aren't mutually exclusive in an alliance.
wat?
When was the last time some small gang or kickass solo pvp video came out of a blob-empire? I don't think someone said they are necessarily mutually exclusive, but let's be honest here, you don't see the news Prom or Kil2 making vids in GSF right now.
look its human nature to want to be on the winning side, to beat all the bitches
TO BE THE BESTEST EVER
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PL has shitloads of supercaps because pilots know that if they join PL, they'll get to use them.
CFC has huge blobs because they get out and *do* shit.
"Anyone wanna go blow up a couple of CSAAs?"
<1500 hands go up>
Someone was asking above why someone would want to join a huge alliance like goons/test -- it's because there's always shit to do.
You're never far from a fleet being formed in the CFC.
Back on topic: Razor should have all rights to Tenal revoked due to terrible station naming. Give it to TEST instead.
I spend basically all my time 'in EVE' focusing on leadership. The actual game bores the hell out of me, but where most alliance leaders are EVE nerds who enjoy playing the game and have to distract themselves from gameplay to lead, all I do is politics/espionage/diplomacy/leadership; each of those areas overlap significantly in terms of skillset.
So it's not that I'm some kind of magical unicorn, if you spent years and years getting inside people's heads and dissecting how they tick, you get good at this stuff too. I was an absolutely godawful leader back in 2007 and had no idea what the fuck I was doing; it's just practice, experimentation, and more practice.
Realtalk: part of the reason why I giggle every time there's a RARR BLOBBERS whine is that the basic human unit in EVE is essentially tribal; about 100-150 dudes. It's tremendously difficult to forge a united identity across tribes and band them into a 'nation', much less getting each tribal unit to accept the kind of military discipline necessary to survive. There have been any number of 'low skill' coalitions in EVE's history, which just gather pots and pans fleets under any number of FCs and throw them at something (NC is a perfect example of this). What I've been working on is something much more difficult, yet much more effective - a unified command structure, tight discipline across all levels of each organization, and clear goals/expectations about what each 'tribe' should do.
The NC couldn't even get their tribes to adopt a unified fleet doctrine. Their FCs would go have meetings - endless meetings - and argue and come up with nothing. So the NC would go to try to defend itself with random piles of shit. In the Clusterfuck, if you have a Scimitar, Huginn, or Drake/Mael/Cane, you can fight in any of our fleets, regardless of which alliance you're a part of.
This shit gets really deep then you end up comparing leadership styles of autocrats, how engaged they are, the balance of terror, blah blah. We have a competitive advantage merely because we have a 'leadership specialist' in charge; as the game evolves other people will begin to do as I have, and that advantage will gradually winnow away.
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leadership specialist
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k/ds gonna k/d, i'm just going to lean back and conquer a region with six fleets while banned, don't mind me
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There is no other resource in the game outside of a personal grudge that has caused more content and ships to blow up.
You went to school right, and you hated it because fuck school I want to have fun. (Unless you found school fun; hey, it happens.) But it was self-improvement.
You're suggesting people go to school.
Except it's not mandatory and doesn't even offer tangible benefits and they can just not show up/stop logging in.
And they're paying for it anyways, so while they're not logging in they might as well stop paying.
Do you now grasp why this idea that people will seek to improve themselves at the expense of actually doing shit that they enjoy is stupid? That's not why people play games. It happens anyways, from simple contact with the game, but those who actively pursue such a thing are rare. It's not considered worth it by the vast majority of human beings to even play internet spaceships, and you think those who do will want to be ~internet spaceship elite~ when they can instead have internet spaceship fun.
I specialize in popping cyno frigs. We all have our place in the CFC.
I think some people mistakenly believe that Sov Warfare is for ~gudfites~ between equally matched groups fighting honourable conflicts; Rifters at dawn if you will. It's not. Sov Warfare is Total War where Alliances or groups of Alliances use all resources at their disposal in whatever tactics they determine work best, space honor be damned. Sov Warfare is not a Limited War where there are a set of unwritten rules and lines not to be crossed.
CCP's problem is that they have a system in place to handle Total War (Sov Warfare) with tangible risk and reward to keep those people entertained, but not those who favor a Limited War. Capsuleers who want to engage in a Total War are satisfied, but those who want to fight a Limited One are not, so they bitch incessantly on forums about blobbing, titan tracking, small alliances with no friends get stomped on (duh), and the like. Faction Warfare is probably the closest thing to having an honourable Limited War against evenly match sides, but at the moment it's all risk and no reward, so no one imporant does it. Hopefully with the upcoming War Dec and Faction Warfare changes, we may see some inroads into giving another viable option to Sov Warfare or Carebearing for those of us who like to shoot things. But then again, probably not.
Fucking DEATH to all learning implants, seriously.
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