~welp~

**StevieTopSiders** · 2012-03-30

Originally Posted by Tsubutai

Some guys found out that you can evade CONCORD indefinitely if you're sufficiently agile and were using the trick to gank freighters and JFs in highsec with solo/duo tier3s:

http://horn.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12834288
http://horn.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12891709

This becoming an exploit is retarded. If you fit your ship for agility, you can avoid CONCORD for like 3-4 warps. That seems like a just a smart way to fit your ship, not an exploit. vOv

**Manfred Hideous** · 2012-03-30

Originally Posted by Derek

Apart from there nothing being in the rules about this sort of thing AFAIK, I'd say no due to lack of precedent in the few similar cases in the past.

If they re-run the election because Mittens fucked up and got himself booted the carebears would most likely blot out the forums about why they didn't get to vote again when their Ankhlebiter bint was shitcanned and same with the lowsec/pirate folks after Larkonis' drunk-breaking the NDA.

If you get yourself canned from the CSM, you alone are responsible for wasting the faith/trust/votes placed in you. Now, you can argue all day if Mitten's punishment was deserved or not, but re-running the election would be dumb regardless.
Just because he's the ~king of space~ doesn't warrant special treatment.

Spin, spin, spinning along. There is a slight difference between telling someone "kill yourself", "DIAF" (which got Helicity banned until they reversed the ban after the shitstorm iirc), etc. and telling/encouraging the public on a live stream at an official CCP event to grief someone with apparently depressive tendencies into comitting suicide.

Yeah. You have to win an ingame event to get that done.

(Was way before my time, but didn't get BoB a big boost to some NPC, iirc Blood Raider, standings for "winning" at an ISD event?)

Derek, I've no dog in this fight so I'm not spinning.

I really don't have a great deal of sympathy for suicidal ideations. He's more likely to be an attention whore than actually suicidal (woe is me). If he was that ready to go, he should man up. I had a family member blow his brains out without a hint he had a problem. That's the way to do it.

**Zev** · 2012-03-30

Originally Posted by SquidLegs

Is that classification made clear for the participants? I mean "behave, or you'll get yourself banned according to the EULA" instead of "have a beer ticket, or five, and enjoy your panel"?

Not that I know of, I'm going to go with they havent untill this came out otherwise Mittens wouldnt (Probably wouldnt) have said what he did.

**riverini [banned]** · 2012-03-30

Originally Posted by Zev

No, I think what some people were doing was taking ships like thoraxes warping to a Hulk, destroying said hulk then depositing their ship in a Orca, saving themselfs from CCP's death ray.

I had already asked CCP about this, they'll put a fix on it in an upcoming quick update.

It is an exploit.

**pinoyzzz** · 2012-03-30

Originally Posted by Jones Bones

Compare a breach of the NDA to a breach of EULA. The stupid, it burns.

You're retarded.

**tgr** · 2012-03-30

Originally Posted by StevieTopSiders

This becoming an exploit is retarded. If you fit your ship for agility, you can avoid CONCORD for like 3-4 warps. That seems like a just a smart way to fit your ship, not an exploit. vOv

I see no reason why it shouldn't be classified as an exploit, given how apparently some people do things like ping-pong back and forth in an ice belt to pop multiple ships pr go.

**Doddy** · 2012-03-30

Originally Posted by Don Peyote

Hi so I just want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly

Mittens got banned for a month for something he did outside the game? Or am I completely failing to comprehend, and he got banned from being a CSM?

He got banned for a month for something he did outside of game and being banned prevents him from taking his csm seat.

**Doddy** · 2012-03-30

Originally Posted by tgr

I see no reason why it shouldn't be classified as an exploit, given how apparently some people do things like ping-pong back and forth in an ice belt to pop multiple ships pr go.

This, also i have seen people warping for long enough to avoid concord entirely through gcc time out.

**Viribus** · 2012-03-30

Originally Posted by StevieTopSiders

This becoming an exploit is retarded. If you fit your ship for agility, you can avoid CONCORD for like 3-4 warps. That seems like a just a smart way to fit your ship, not an exploit. vOv

Three-web vindis could also technically be classified as "a smart way to fit your ship"

That's the most idiotic justification I've ever heard.

**cutchyacokov** · 2012-03-30

Originally Posted by jjjggg50

FUCKTARDS! BAN ME THIS SITE IS A CIRCLE JERK CLUB! FUCK THIS SHITTY FORUM AND ITS SHITTY ADMINS AND ITS

You know you could just not come back? I suspect someone guessed Prencleeve's password.

edit: I didn't realise he was doing this on every thread, disregard as this is probably not the best place to discus this hacking/spergsplosion/whatever it is.

**Kyros** · 2012-03-30

Originally Posted by domino

I wonder if people put too much weight into the DUST/Sony connection? I want to play DUST but I know Sony will fuck it up. Just look at their track record in trying to develop a FPS franchise: MAG & Killzone for example. I loved playing MAG but they fucked that up with very poor marketing. The only shooter that nailed in terms of experience was SOCOM 2 which they then fucked in later releases. Not to mention Zipper who they bought to build FPS games is about to close. I'll play DUST and I'll enjoy it but I'm not fooling myself from know that six months after release only a few thousand people will be playing it.

Way CCP is doing things they will sell out and EVE will be on the Station Pass within the next two years...

*shudder*

**Flinx** · 2012-03-30

Originally Posted by StevieTopSiders

This becoming an exploit is retarded. If you fit your ship for agility, you can avoid CONCORD for like 3-4 warps. That seems like a just a smart way to fit your ship, not an exploit. vOv

The Tornado on that mail did 172,000 damage, that's a little more than 3-4 warps, that would take about 5minutes of constant firing.

**Aurora148** · 2012-03-30

so I hear that negative wallets are pretty cool.

anyone from cfc wanna c/d

**Opti** · 2012-03-30

waiting on test running top 10 negative balances

will check back in brother

**Wki** · 2012-03-30

Originally Posted by tgr

I see no reason why it shouldn't be classified as an exploit, given how apparently some people do things like ping-pong back and forth in an ice belt to pop multiple ships pr go.

Whenever someone comes up with something clever within the boundaries of the game, and others don't understand it, it is called an exploit.

**zirce** · 2012-03-30

Originally Posted by Aurora148

so I hear that negative wallets are pretty cool.

anyone from cfc wanna c/d

c

we got dunked on this week

**Fix Lag** · 2012-03-30

AHARM used that argument to support the tracking disruptors in Class 6 magnetars exploit.

**Kanloch** · 2012-03-30

Originally Posted by Aurora148

so I hear that negative wallets are pretty cool.

anyone from cfc wanna c/d

Care to elaborate on this?

**Opti** · 2012-03-30

http://i.imgur.com/HSl9R.png

**zirce** · 2012-03-30

http://i.imgur.com/6PrVz.png

**Kanloch** · 2012-03-30

Is this botting related or what?

Also iirc Cellestia is a huge faggot anyway.

**Aurora148** · 2012-03-30

Originally Posted by Kanloch

Care to elaborate on this?

CCP just nuked loads of people who bought ISK from a guy in GSF.

Apparently.

**Kanloch** · 2012-03-30

Hah, did elusif get banned (again?)

**Checkbox Poll** · 2012-03-30

you think they would have learned from my failures

**MartCo** · 2012-03-30

Originally Posted by Kanloch

Is this botting related or what?

Also iirc Cellestia is a huge faggot anyway.

There is a shadowy elusive figure who runs a nefarious organisation with dubious objectives within the CFC.

And today Darius JOHNSON sucked in his large gut, tightened his belt, walked into this sinister mastermind's hive and put two in the chest, one in the head.

**Scotch** · 2012-03-30

:sun:

**Kitty Vintner** · 2012-03-30

If god didn't want us to rmt he wouldn't make pve suck so bad.

Not that I've RMTd, as my positive wallet can attest. I just understand why you would.

**Aurora148** · 2012-03-30

best avatar

**Flinx** · 2012-03-30

is that 79 billion in the red?

wow, if you are going to spend real money on ingame currency, pay the tiny bit extra to do it legit

Edit: oh thanks Mfume, that is still a shit ton of hours botting

**Mfume** · 2012-03-30

thats from botting, not from RMT

**Mfume** · 2012-03-30

my bad, i meant "enthusiastic ratting"

**Kanloch** · 2012-03-30

These people should have participated in more lawful and gentlemanly means of monetary generation, such as scamming

**Viribus** · 2012-03-30

If your bot is making 50m an hour that's about 1600 hours botting, or five bots going 12h a day for a month

Still the best counter to botting is lax recruitment policies

**Zev** · 2012-03-30

Is there a way CCP work out how much to put you in the negative? The guy with -70+ Billion in the red mays well just Kill himself

**Kanloch** · 2012-03-30

He could just buy 70bil isk

**FastJack316** · 2012-03-30

Selling that character would be the best scam.

**Kanloch** · 2012-03-30

Yeah, it would get him banned as well as bankrupt

**Marlona Sky [banned]** · 2012-03-30

Bad week for CFC. lol

**Flinx** · 2012-03-30

I have a love hate relationship with Goons, loved them when they were funny and producing 101 vids to help out new guys and spitting in the face of large powerblocks, hate them now for the arrogant posturing and being a large power block

The fact they are actively pulling people into this game and quickly putting them in the deep end to enjoy the pvp will always make me side in their favour
Some of the guides and documentation they have produced shames what CCP have done

It has has been a tough week for the cfc, you have my pixel related sympathy.

I am hoping mission burn Jita is not a half cocked event and delivers some high sec tears to make up for things

**gala gidas** · 2012-03-30

I dont care if i have shot goons or not but i wouldnt like to have a guy like Mittani representing me.
Roleplaying in game is super cool but appearing drunk and not controlling what you think(?) and say isnt something that represents me.
That banning thing is just stupid though.Its like police taking the plates off from a driver that owns more than 1 car...

I watched live that alliance panel,i found it really really good,especially that guy with the "national anthem ransoms".Good and smart humour.I was waiting to see the guy that 10k people voted to represent us and all i got in return was a stupid drunk...
left dissapointed tbh

**fluidvoid** · 2012-03-30

you fucked up, now you pay the price, let's move on, it's your own issue, not EVE's

**Yue** · 2012-03-30

Originally Posted by StevieTopSiders

This becoming an exploit is retarded. If you fit your ship for agility, you can avoid CONCORD for like 3-4 warps. That seems like a just a smart way to fit your ship, not an exploit. vOv

I have to disagree with you there. It's plenty easy to tornado freighters carrying enough isk to make it worth ganking without using shitty exploits to do it. If everyone used such an easily doable exploit you would not be able to haul fuck-all in empire. To make ganking 'work' you have to balance with risk vs. reward and cost vs. benefit. To be able to gank a rhea (or whatever of similar hp/value) in empire with 4 dudes in cheap ships is clearly not balanced.

**StevieTopSiders** · 2012-03-30

Originally Posted by StevieTopSiders

This becoming an exploit is retarded. If you fit your ship for agility, you can avoid CONCORD for like 3-4 warps. That seems like a just a smart way to fit your ship, not an exploit. vOv

I've gotten some red for this post, and the errors of my ways have been explained.

Killing those freighters is definitely an exploit. The way I read the original thread, I was thinking of the ability to pop a hulk, align quickly, pop another, align, pop, and then get caught by CONCORD. If it is the case that you can warp around infinitely, then that's dumb, and I disagree.

**Raketefrau** · 2012-03-30

Pushing this thread toward page 10, 9 pages of ego stroking is nowhere near enough.

**Fartman** · 2012-03-31

Originally Posted by Zev

Is there a way CCP work out how much to put you in the negative? The guy with -70+ Billion in the red mays well just Kill himself

if he kills himself, will CCP ban themselves?

**Weaselior** · 2012-03-31

Originally Posted by Zev

Is there a way CCP work out how much to put you in the negative? The guy with -70+ Billion in the red mays well just Kill himself

However much you bought. Whoever owns that guy should station trade all assets he owns to an alt and biomass the character, no way it's worth 76b.

**Rutger Centemus** · 2012-03-31

Originally Posted by Weaselior

However much you bought. Whoever owns that guy should station trade all assets he owns to an alt and biomass the character, no way it's worth 76b.

NOt 100% sure, but I seem to recall they 'fixed' that by making it unable for people with a negative wallet to trade in a station?

**tgr** · 2012-03-31

I also thought they prohibited the selling of characters with either isk, negative isk, or any assets at all?

**Jones Bones** · 2012-03-31

19m SP and there's probably a single Tengu in his assets. It'll be purged and the circle will start anew.

**Sendo** · 2012-03-31

Originally Posted by tgr

I also thought they prohibited the selling of characters with either isk, negative isk, or any assets at all?

You're allowed to sell the character with a negative wallet you just have to disclose the fact when selling it.

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