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    Quote Originally Posted by Yue View Post
    No one said it's your job. Grath said it's in your best interests not to be morons about who you stomp to death.
    Another way to look at it is that considering how Clusterfuckers always point out to people that they champion the newbie by recruiting thousands of them and convincing inactives to sub again, they've actually made it their responsibility. If you want to wear the hat, you have to bear its weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Some Market Dude View Post
    Ya...I don't even really get it. The CFC isn't even erring on the side of caution right now by installing TEST in Tribute (which seems like it would be trivially easy atm) and/or Vale. I don't even get what really changed with Tenal going to Razor. Is Raiden going to fold from finally losing after a brilliant defense and still holding a huge, rich region with ~65 tech moons?

    Seems like a lot of hurf and/or blurf over nothing.
    The real question, in my mind anyway, is this: if Mittens were to install TEST in Tribute making them equally space rich, what would happen to Fountain? Would TEST just drop sov and who ever gets it, gets it with an immediate hard reset of any current residents there because there's no reason to be blue to people who live on the opposite end of EVE?

    Or, would TEST cut a deal with some shitkicking lickspittles who want to get fat and lazy like all the other sov owners out there and want to take a piece of the pie while letting 99 and .EXE dribble outward over the remainder of Fountain like disgusting ooze and then remain blue with all of them because "they are our allies."

    I'd like to believe the logical answer would be the first -- but I expect the answer would be the second. This, of course, isn't specifically an affront to TEST because I do actually like some of you guys. This is me trying to appeal to your sense of non-cushy faggotry, the side of you that turned off those ihubs because the worthless deadweight was off gorging themselves on space doritos in sanctums while you needed their help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dental Floss View Post
    The real question, in my mind anyway, is this: if Mittens were to install TEST in Tribute making them equally space rich, what would happen to Fountain? Would TEST just drop sov and who ever gets it, gets it with an immediate hard reset of any current residents there because there's no reason to be blue to people who live on the opposite end of EVE?

    Or, would TEST cut a deal with some shitkicking lickspittles who want to get fat and lazy like all the other sov owners out there and want to take a piece of the pie while letting 99 and .EXE dribble outward over the remainder of Fountain like disgusting ooze and then remain blue with all of them because "they are our allies."

    I'd like to believe the logical answer would be the first -- but I expect the answer would be the second. This, of course, isn't specifically an affront to TEST because I do actually like some of you guys. This is me trying to appeal to your sense of non-cushy faggotry, the side of you that turned off those ihubs because the worthless deadweight was off gorging themselves on space doritos in sanctums while you needed their help.
    test wouldnt accept the space as it would be a "handout", they probly are suitably deluded into thinking fountain is "theres" like they werent handed it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grogoth View Post
    That's Shadoo "I'm so terrified of getting PL into a war because I have done everything I possibly can to make the alliance weak and gay because I am desperate to make it like KOS (my crowning glory)" McFatFin to you buddy.
    That's pretty harsh yo


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    Just wait for tech nerf in 2025.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dental Floss View Post
    The real question...
    Idk, I don't really care about hypothetical details. My point was that the CFC does have an option for claiming more space in the north, especially because TEST already made it clear they'd be willing to make the move, yet they're not taking it. It just further discounts the argument that the CFC is the new NC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentinel Eeex View Post
    I could probably write for an hour, but bottom line is - you are wrong.
    I'm not talking about vets joining GS, I could of probably worded it a lot better.

    A new player coming into eve-online won't look at PL or Raiden striving for a strong kd/r and say 'wow those guys are faggots I'm joining goonswarm'. The I hate elite pvp attitude comes from a recruitment post from goonswarm on a forum. The I hate elite pvp attitude comes from our alliance moving into their region and generally shitting up their game. The I hate elite pvp attitude comes from past friend ships in alliances that have died.

    You get your large numbers from people who can swoon with words, from a large forum, from past friendships. Not because of the reasons he stated. The phrase 'elite pvp' was coined by your dearest and you cling on to it like no other, but please don't sugar coat your blobbing with 'I hate kd/r alliances'.
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    mittani should wipe out ncdot in tribute and raiden in vale and not take anything

    shit ill evemail him now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elektrea View Post
    I'm not talking about vets joining GS, I could of probably worded it a lot better.

    A new player coming into eve-online won't look at PL or Raiden striving for a strong kd/r and say 'wow those guys are faggots I'm joining goonswarm'. The I hate elite pvp attitude comes from a recruitment post from goonswarm on a forum. The I hate elite pvp attitude comes from our alliance moving into their region and generally shitting up their game. The I hate elite pvp attitude comes from past friend ships in alliances that have died.

    You get your large numbers from people who can swoon with words, from a large forum, from past friendships. Not because of the reasons he stated. The phrase 'elite pvp' was coined by your dearest and you cling on to it like no other, but please don't sugar coat your blobbing with 'I hate kd/r alliances'.
    the amount of "elite pvp -a- faggots" on goonswarm comms has tripled since we moved in.

    this is confusing, as it is intermingled with the more traditional -a- is shit.

    i admit an identity crisis is looming
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    elitepvp isn't about being good, it's about thinking you're good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dental Floss View Post
    Another way to look at it is that considering how Clusterfuckers always point out to people that they champion the newbie by recruiting thousands of them and convincing inactives to sub again, they've actually made it their responsibility. If you want to wear the hat, you have to bear its weight.
    Well, geographically it would be great to have TEST in Tribute. The entire CFC is in one nice tight ball, that's even more tech territory, shipping lanes from Branch/Tenal with easy access to empire close to Jita. I have no idea what would be done with Fountain; it's a pretty good region. I'm sure the 99 Percent would go wherever TEST goes. EXE could be given territory in one of the northern regions, or just keep part of fountain. I guess maybe friendly russians now lacking a home (Death) could be moved there to be alongside their RA friends.

    The only real problem is that you lose access to Delve, which is typically a pretty great region to go fuck around in.

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    hey so, who got the corp ticker of 10058, sell it to me and I will give it to waffles new alliance "YOUR VOTES DONT COUNT"
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    <1000 in fleet = 'thinking you're elite pvp' i guess vOv

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    Speaking of xDeath, what was up with their Tengu fleet in VFK today? It was honestly the last fucking thing I expected out of them - anybody know what their plans are? Also, what's up with this XSPECNAZX that Krutoj is in, are they a splinter group or alt corp?
    There's nothing worse than having a good idea for a post not being good enough to pull it off :negative:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorren Canada View Post
    Speaking of xDeath, what was up with their Tengu fleet in VFK today? It was honestly the last fucking thing I expected out of them - anybody know what their plans are? Also, what's up with this XSPECNAZX that Krutoj is in, are they a splinter group or alt corp?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiresays View Post
    Well, geographically it would be great to have TEST in Tribute. The entire CFC is in one nice tight ball, that's even more tech territory, shipping lanes from Branch/Tenal with easy access to empire close to Jita. I have no idea what would be done with Fountain; it's a pretty good region. I'm sure the 99 Percent would go wherever TEST goes. EXE could be given territory in one of the northern regions, or just keep part of fountain. I guess maybe friendly russians now lacking a home (Death) could be moved there to be alongside their RA friends.

    The only real problem is that you lose access to Delve, which is typically a pretty great region to go fuck around in.

    Exactly. Thanks for confirming what I was afraid of in the post I made after this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicky D View Post
    <1000 in fleet = 'thinking you're elite pvp' i guess vOv
    ~elite pvp~ is jumping your 40 man drake gang into a system with local at 600.

    And killing a carrier.

    And learning the hard way that your clone is set 30 jumps the wrong direction.

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    I wish you guys had jumped into my fleet in V8W, I was all happy because I was going to call Mandozer Primary if you came into us, and it would've been fun. But no, you let the other fleet have all the fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Some Market Dude View Post
    Idk, I don't really care about hypothetical details. My point was that the CFC does have an option for claiming more space in the north, especially because TEST already made it clear they'd be willing to make the move, yet they're not taking it. It just further discounts the argument that the CFC is the new NC.
    When I make a post, it's about what I want to know, not what you want to know, friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitty Vintner View Post
    elitepvp isn't about being good, it's about thinking you're good
    didnt know cfc counts as elite pvp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elektrea View Post
    I'm not talking about vets joining GS, I could of probably worded it a lot better.

    A new player coming into eve-online won't look at PL or Raiden striving for a strong kd/r and say 'wow those guys are faggots I'm joining goonswarm'. The I hate elite pvp attitude comes from a recruitment post from goonswarm on a forum. The I hate elite pvp attitude comes from our alliance moving into their region and generally shitting up their game. The I hate elite pvp attitude comes from past friend ships in alliances that have died.
    The "I hate elite pvp" attitude comes from fighting BoB, their spinoffs and their bullshit ideologies for years, don't flatter yourself to think it's related to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Sister Bliss View Post
    Isn't that what I was saying?
    The point is that saying "It's too easy to get into a fight" leads to a slippery slope where there are no fights. You have massive empires not because it's too easy for too many people to cross the map, but because there aren't enough people to contest the space; there's too much to go around and most of it is garbage. The last round of changes to increase population density in 0.0 - the anom buffs - were a flop that basically just boosted botting, especially once incursions rolled around.

    And like I said, there's little to actually fight over, because little is worth the effort either to attack or defend. Tech moons grant the holder enough isk to make them worth striving for; plat moons, for instance, don't, so you don't see gangs trying to conquer and hold random plats. People bitch about the power holding Tech gets you, but it's about the only thing worth fighting over at an alliance level, and the only thing worth taking that might pay for the fleet lost to get it.

    As we've seen in the south and east, sov itself is irrelevant in the short term if the aggressor can't move anyone in to use it, so a berserker challenging your sov PL-style can be ignored till they go away. POCOs are dirt-cheap and POCO mechanics dicked up such that defending a threatened POCO isn't worth putting a fleet together over, and profiting over POCO'ing a hostile tower unlikely if not impossible. Destructible stations provide no profit benefit at all for the aggressor, and don't really sound like they'll bother the defender much (it's a smaller version of the sov problem above.) If you want to drive conflict you need to put things in 0.0 to fight over - not in the "shit we need to hold this or we'll be limping penniless back to Syndicate" sense, but in the "shit if we can just hold this for a week or two more we'll be rich as Croesus and/or masters of the universe" sense - but until CCP gets over their "Highsec must be relevant as something other than a newbie zone" hangup, that's unlikely to happen.

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    -A- getting :gudfites: in Syndicate when they're not busy.

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    Basically, we didn't see any Oracles or Recons, so we thought, "Oh, this must just be a small roaming thing." We purposefully land in a bubble to do some ~nano~ shit, but then Recons/Oracles jump in to rape us.

    I'm a little curious as to why you'd take a 30-man gang to Syndicate this late in USTZ, but vOv

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    does aliz think hes flying a mach or some shit wtf

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    Sometimes I wonder if I post "I'm not going to conquer Vale/Tribute" if everyone just takes it to mean "Vale/Tribute is next". What /do/ you people think we'll do next?
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    2 things.
    First mittans how do you deal with all the bullshit of dealing with all the different alliance ceo's/

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    what is -RDN- going to do now? Is -A- going to give them a new region to live in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mittani View Post
    Sometimes I wonder if I post "I'm not going to conquer Vale/Tribute" if everyone just takes it to mean "Vale/Tribute is next". What /do/ you people think we'll do next?
    Some random guy said it was true, so it must be true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fear View Post

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    what is -RDN- going to do now? Is -A- going to give them a new region to live in?
    i want to believe

    that this is a troll but deep down I know this is a serious question.

    try and remember where raiden was not so many months ago and I think you may answer your own question
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrojanMan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fear View Post

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    what is -RDN- going to do now? Is -A- going to give them a new region to live in?
    i want to believe

    that this is a troll but deep down I know this is a serious question.

    try and remember where raiden was not so many months ago and I think you may answer your own question
    your walking into a trap m8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieTopSiders View Post
    -A- getting :gudfites: in Syndicate when they're not busy.

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    Basically, we didn't see any Oracles or Recons, so we thought, "Oh, this must just be a small roaming thing." We purposefully land in a bubble to do some ~nano~ shit, but then Recons/Oracles jump in to rape us.

    I'm a little curious as to why you'd take a 30-man gang to Syndicate this late in USTZ, but vOv
    26 vs 5 is ~elite PVP~, 500 vs 200 is blobbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WomynPower View Post
    AWOX the CFC, you'll be allowed into PIZZA.

    Our mentor program is the best, 100%.
    Been there done that.

    For some reason they continue to keep us around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabigredboat View Post
    Some random guy said it was true, so it must be true.
    Confirmed CFC is invading Tribute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sister Bliss View Post
    It isn't impossible at all, it just requires some intelligent game design from CCP (asking too much perhaps!). Fact is that today game mechanics favour, if not positively encourage blobbing.

    This is made so much easier by how small the Eve universe has become; it is trivial to move thousands of players across the map to engage on a timer 5+ regions away and have them safely back in bed in their home space the day after (if not sooner). Population density, ubiquity of assets such as carriers & jump freighters, JB's, networks of Titans, clone jumping and stations in virtually every 0.0 system have all contributed to this.

    In addition, there is literally nothing which an alliance leaves at risk by being away from home (regardless of how long); anything of worth which is attacked generates the same reff timers which gives more than enough time to move those same thousands of players back in good time to defend it. It may be annoying for the defender but it's hardly a big problem (especially when there are thousands of them to begin with); more often than not any attacker gives up due to the sheer pointlessness of the actions they are taking, particularly so when the infrastructure attacked is simply timed to come out whilst they are asleep or at work.

    If we really want to have a more dynamic environment that doesn't reward blobbing then we need to make it harder to move thousands of players on whim, and put in place mechanics which make going on big campaigns far from home a real risk/reward decision; i.e. if I am significantly far away from my home space, leaving it completely undefended, an attacker should be able to raze it to the ground or inflict serious damage before I am able to get back and defend. This gives real consequences to my actions and opens the door for many more interesting conflicts and political interaction. This doesn't stop large coalitions forming or scale back on large fights and nor should it, but makes those kinds of actions a more considered decision.

    If we keep thinking within the constraints of the current limited imagination system based on reff timers then yes, there will never be a solution to blobbing and this makes a poorer game experience for everyone. Nobody goes on safari happy to see herds of Antelope, they also want to see Lions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yobdab View Post
    So if you want to kill goons, don't shoot/fight them.
    This is unironically true

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mittani View Post
    Sometimes I wonder if I post "I'm not going to conquer Vale/Tribute" if everyone just takes it to mean "Vale/Tribute is next". What /do/ you people think we'll do next?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrojanMan View Post
    i want to believe

    that this is a troll but deep down I know this is a serious question.

    try and remember where raiden was not so many months ago and I think you may answer your own question
    If memory serves, they were in the same coalition as RA?

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    If you make it so an undefended system falls within, say, 2 days, and make the reinforcing and subsequent destruction a quick affair and make the reinforcement timer something which has to be manually fiddled with, add station destruction, and you've got what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fear View Post
    First mittans how do you deal with all the bullshit of dealing with all the different alliance ceo's
    Footage of mittens talking to a CFC CEO:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrador View Post
    CFC has won eve and people are back and crying about blobs. Wtf, is this 2008/9 all over again with CFC playing the role of the NC?

    Woah, that's NCDot-I mean coward talk right there.
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    So on which page did this war turn from "Goons are noobs who they fly crap ships and they're crying because they can't win against our elite spartan supercap warriors" to "Stupid goonies have made a terrible error winning this war now and now everything's shit and boring THANKS FAGGOTS". Because I've read back quite a few pages and so far it's all the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgr View Post
    If you make it so an undefended system falls within, say, 2 days, and make the reinforcing and subsequent destruction a quick affair and make the reinforcement timer something which has to be manually fiddled with, add station destruction, and you've got what you want.
    You donīt play eve for long do you?

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    Related question: Did EVENEWS24 find space to report this exciting development and how confused must their readership be having read nothing but months of goony failure and stupid goonies getting owned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elektrea View Post
    A new player coming into eve-online won't look at PL or Raiden striving for a strong kd/r and say 'wow those guys are faggots I'm joining goonswarm'.
    the 'wow those guys are faggots' thinking probably comes from browsing your recruiting section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lothos View Post
    You donīt play eve for long do you?
    I'm pretty certain you were supposed to be making a point here.

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    I don't suppose it's worth reminding people again that every single station destruction proposal specifically included some kind of mechanism for the previous owners to recover their stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mfume View Post
    the 'wow those guys are faggots' thinking probably comes from browsing your recruiting section.
    Or forum leak

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgr View Post
    I'm pretty certain you were supposed to be making a point here.
    Sorry , the thing is when stuff could be droped in that fast namelly conquereble stations , you woken up to find your stations in the hands of some fags, it didnt change nothing people would just take ships from the pos take back the stations and no figths happen , then we wondered wtf 1 hour latter what we were doing wrong(CCP) and they come up with the sov system .

    So if you think it whould promote figths think again bro timezones wars would be a bitch, only large alliances would be gratfull, and those wouldnt get attaked because you can control allot of timezones and you are gigantic and nobody in their right mind would attack you.

    And what is your hard on for destructible outpost ?You do Know that people would adapt and change all their shit to npc sapace and defend only the most crucial systems , like it is now , and you could destroy as much outposts as you can and people wouldn't give a fuck.

    You now what fucked up 0.0? The dev that nerfed the ability of a 0.0 system to become a -1 in terms of anomalies.Never again did i saw small alliances trying to venture in 0.0 , renters , but they did defend their space or there ratting space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by source View Post
    Or forum leak
    no the forum leak was chock full of useful information.

    actually, someone on comms yesterday (might have been dental floss) asked a few former MAGE dudes, including me, why we were in MAGE in the first place. and the answer was "they were the only ones in 0.0 who'd take us at 3M SP." so i can easily see why some players think of "elite pvp" alliances as being full of tremendous elitist faggots and see massive alliances as more desirable.
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    You realise that since then, the hub anoms have been greatly boosted, so any -0.3 or better sov space system is pretty good now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    You realise that since then, the hub anoms have been greatly boosted, so any -0.3 or better sov space system is pretty good now?
    That still leaves a lot of 0.0 regions worse off, relatively speaking, than other means of isk-generation.

    And before people storm in here with "NERF HISEC ARHGHABFJAS:GFJDSKL" I'm including risky methods as well: Certain L5s are pretty fucking good, you can run some low-sec incursions in complete peace, high end WHs still shit isk to the point that when dudes were losing caps to us, they were like, "it's not really replacing the ship that's hard, it's getting it back into this hole that's a bitch."

    I mean, when you're willing to pay 3B to not be inconvenienced, you're living pretty fucking fat off the hog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mfume View Post
    That still leaves a lot of 0.0 regions complete shit.
    Aren't they still better than they were prior to dominion?

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