This happened to him awhile ago. With saying black people when regards to welfare and how not wanting to pay for it. If hes racist or not who knows, however he really needs to pay A LOT more attention to what he says.Originally Posted by poaw
Vid of the black people comment from a few months ago.
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Oh wow, the guy could stand to do all his speaking in some really obscure dialect so he needs a translator, and have the translator be trained in not saying THE WORST POSSIBLE THING. At face value what he said isn't inherently racist, but how you connect welfare in Iowa to black people (about 3% of the state population) without having some kind of ingrained association between the two is a question best left unanswered by someone seeking elected office.
Of course a crafty political opponent would come out and play the the "I'm-Not-Playing-The-Race-Card"-Card and simply point out the hypocrisy of voters in Iowa being concerned about Federal Medicaid payments while they receive billions every year in the form of farm subsidiaries.
So Mittens won Wisconsin, DC, and Maryland which pretty much seals the deal. Even though Santorum and Newt don't see that. Now what I'm wondering is who will Romney pick as VP running mate. I doubt he will choose anyone in the current field, and Rubio who I thought he was going to pick said he doesn't want it. If he picks Palin or Chris Christie hes a fucking idiot, but I could see him going for Paul Ryan, Jon Huntsman, or Mitch Daniels(though he won't take it either). It seems like every decent VP candidate wants nothing to do with it.. Strange.
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It's almost like they know something we don't...
I agree, I think he needs to find someone to help with the female and minority vote, preferably someone with charisma and a evangelical. I can't really think of anyone who would fit that bill at the moment. I also don't think he can get a VP to make up for the lack of enthusiasm surrounding him. Even if he got a zombie Ronald Reagan the name 'Mitt Romney' is still at the top of the ticket.
But all that being said there is still a long time till November.
Its been apparent to me for awhile that the GOP thinks its a better position for them to not have a GOP prez.
They can act as crazy as they want now with no consequences, Obama serves as good scape goat. The prez is gonna have to do some really big changes in the next term. Just balancing the budget to get it near zero or God forbid a profit to pay down loans is gonna be a Herculean task. The GOP knows that, much better to pander to the crowds and chill on the sidelines.
pleasepleasepleaseplease Palin pleasepleasepleaseplease
lol, you're dreaming.
Filling the VP spot seems to be such a pain in the ass. Pretty much anybody that takes the VP post will never get elected president. So, anybody that wants to be president someday won't take it.
Well that's awesome, that means this is the first and last time I'll ever say "President Biden."
Biden is a pretty chill guy, but unlike some other VPs (Nixon, GHWB ect) he shows no desire for the higher office.
Biden isn't always chill. Check out some of his senate floor speeches.
I don't see why this would be. There have been a few that where VPs that later became president. Most recently was Bush Sr. However it does depend on who's president, and how well their presidency does. Since it could leave a bad mark on your chance to get elected.
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They are not supposed to want it. You play hard to get when it comes to VP condidates. Anyone who is jumping up and down with their hand in the air shouting ME ME ME is going to be overlooked as someone who is power hungry and only interested in furthering their own career.
I've noticed that there's a pretty big disconnect between the general consensus of kugu and what's actually happening. It seems enough people have said it in this thread that people are taking it as fact.
I think it's a sign of the horrorshow that modern politics has become. It's always been about mudslinging, but these days it's 24/7 screamfests with no letting up and no decency or journalistic integrity.
Even just *writing* "journalistic integrity" feels ludicrous. But I digress.
Any VP who wants to step out and run for President has to deal with 8 years of shit that's already pre-stuck to his hide. I really wish Cheney had run, though. I love a good circus.
Not to derail the thread but quick sidenote:
"U.S. Supreme Court recently declared that any person who is arrested and processed at a jail house, regardless of the severity of his or her offense (i.e., they can be guilty of nothing more than a minor traffic offense), can be subjected to a strip search by police or jail officials without reasonable suspicion that the arrestee is carrying a weapon or contraband."
Sooooo, about those conservative judges... you know, the ones defending personal rights and freedoms.
As Agathor suggested, the Republicans may have already written off this years elections. I would guess that the reason that no decent candidate wants the running mate spot is that they are smart enough to know the whole enterprise is doomed to failure and they don't want to be tainted by it. That way, they could have a shot at a winnable contest four years down the line.
I think of Republicans complain about "activist judges" every time I hear Scalia speak. Some days it's like listening to Supreme Court Justice Rush Limbaugh.
Did you add the (ie.,......) or was that in the justice's ruling? One small problem. Nobody gets arrested or hauled to jail for a minor traffic offense. If you're being processed into jail, of course they're going to strip search you. What's the problem? What does that have to do with conservatives or liberals? Oh wait, nothing!
I didn't add the IE, that's a directly out of.. Huffington I think, and I'm fairly certain that was part of the ruling.
lol
what?
If your throwing someone in jail it makes sense to search to make sure they have no weapons or drugs they are smuggling in to prison. That and to make it all sanitary. Plus who doesnt enjoy a good groping?
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Oh please I could go to any site to pull that sort of quote for you, it was the most accessible for a Kugu post, spare me.
For crying out loud look what this law is based off of:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...nterview-pt--1
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...nterview-pt--2
And yes Fartman, its the Daily Show, because the interviewee is the lawyer who fought against the ruling in the Supreme Court.
So he's obviously an objective and unbiased source for impartial information on this case.
Not to say I want my rectum probed next time I do 35 in a 25, but there's definitely better sources for evidence.
not clicking that. but in any case, this is something I, never having been arrested or seen the wrong side of a jail cell before, assumed was going on anyway.
i doubt it wasn't a easy case for them to decide, but in the end it probably came down to: search *everyone*, or leave it up to the jail personnel to decide.
think of it this way. how would you like it if you got arrested and thrown in jail for a "minor traffic offense" and then you got stabbed by one of the other
mooks in there with a knife they didn't find on him because they didn't/couldn't search him?
I'd like that just about as much as I'd like being stripped searched for having committed a minor traffic offense.
Of course I don't want to be stabbed, but I'd also enjoy not being stripped searched by cops for a minor offense. If they changed the law to reflect serious crimes, maybe then I'd take less issue with it. False arrests happen all the time, especially for minor stuff, those people don't deserve to be forced into a strip search.
Yes there are, but ignoring the very guy who was in the room arguing the case seems rather silly, I'll try to find any interviews with the opposing side and link them as well. Its an interesting case, but lets get real here, who honestly intentionally tries to get thrown into prison so they can smuggle something in.
What America do you live in? People don't get arrested for moving violations. Hit and run, vehicular manslaughter, or reckless driving(if you're being a supreme ass hat) will get you arrested. If you're doing that kind of stuff, then so be it, at that point you would deserve the humiliation.
Let's keep it real now.
Direct quote from TIME: http://ideas.time.com/2012/04/06/str...xid=gonewsedit
This case arose when a man named Albert Florence was pulled over by New Jersey state troopers while he was driving to his parents’ house with his wife and young son. The trooper arrested him for failing to pay a fine – even though, it turned out, he actually had paid the fine. Florence was thrown into the Essex County Correctional Facility, which has a strip search policy for all new arrestees.
Florence – who had not even violated the law – was subjected to one of the more degrading interactions a citizen can have with his government. He was made to disrobe, lift his genitals for the guards to show that he was not hiding anything, and cough in a squatting position. Florence said he was strip searched twice.
After he was released, Florence sued, arguing that strip searches of people arrested for minor offenses violate the Fourth Amendment. There is a lot of support for the view that strip searches are an extreme measure that should only be used when the government has reason to believe the specific person they want to search is concealing weapons, drugs, or other contraband. The American Correctional Association – the oldest and largest correctional association in the world – has a standard saying that strip searches should only be used when there is individualized suspicion. Law enforcement groups — including the U.S. Marshals Service and the Immigration and Custom Services—adhere to this standard.
Many courts have said just what Florence argued – that the Constitution prohibits strip searches of people arrested on minor offenses unless there is individualized suspicion. That includes at least seven U.S. Courts of Appeals – the powerful federal courts that are just one rung below the Supreme Court. Ten states – including Florida and Michigan – actually make suspicionless strip searches illegal.
But the Supreme Court, by a 5-4, has now given its blessing to strip searches of people who are charged with minor crimes – even if the government has no specific reason to believe they are concealing anything. The majority focused on how hard jailers have it. “The difficulties of operating a detention center must not be underestimated by the courts,” the majority opinion said. Strip searches can help keep weapons out of prisons – and disease – and lice.
But the dissenters make a much more compelling case. Justice Stephen Breyer makes the most important argument: that being forced to get naked and be stared at by strangers is inherently “humiliating and degrading.” He then set out some of the many disturbing ways in which the government has used this troubling power – including to strip naked a nun, who had served for 50 years as a Sister of Divine Providence, when she was arrested during an anti-Vietnam War protest. Justice Breyer also noted the kinds of offenses that people have committed that have led to them being strip searched: driving with a noisy muffler, failing to use a turn signal, and riding a bicycle without an audible bell.
Finally, the dissent demolishes the main point made in favor of strip searching every arrestee: that it is necessary to keep prisons secure. In fact, there are many ways of keeping weapons and contraband out that are far less degrading. The prison Florence was admitted to also does pat-frisks of inmates and makes them go through metal detectors. One of these detectors is something called the Body Orifice Screening System chair, which can detect metal hidden in the body when inmates sit on it.
You're absolutely 100% dead fucking wrong.
Driving on Suspended, driving on revoked, having too many past due parking tickets, having dead tags, having lapsed tags, having lapsed insurance are just a few of the things that will get you hauled directly to jail in Maryland.
Once, I got taken to jail because I simply didn't have my DL on me. Yes, jail. I got to sit for 8 hours, they lost my paper work twice, and eventually released, but still had to pay the impound fee for my car. The reason they took me? I gave them my real name and I have a fairly colorful criminal background, they wanted to finger print me to make sure I was actually who I say I am, and make sure I had no outstanding warrants.
When was the last time I had a warrant you say? 9 years before this particular dealing with the cops.
So yea, you're dumb.
Jesus Christ, I looked and you are right. Your state's insurance laws are hard core.
I had no idea some states were so strict. It's nothing like that in Washington state. Here they just give you a ticket and send you on your way. You get proof of insurance and go show it to the judge and they'll reduce the ticket.Your registration is revoked and you are asked to return the license plates on your vehicle. Not doing so can result in hefty fines and the possibility of some jail time.
If your accidently insurance slips, you need to rectify the matter immediately. If you don't, you will be fined $150 for the first 30 days and then $7 for each day after that. Plus, your registration is gone and there will be a reinstatement fee when you get matters back in order.
Lose of license plates and vehicle registration privileges. - Pay a restoration fee of up to $25 for a vehicle's registration. - Have license plates confiscated by an authorized tag recovery agent, once registration suspension is in effect.
Pay uninsured motorist penalty fees for each lapse of insurance - $150 for the first 30 days, $7 for each date thereafter. - Be prohibited from registering any future vehicles until all insurance violations are cleared. - Pay a fine of up to $1,000 and/or 1 year imprisonment if provided false evidence of insurance.
Requirements Regarding Proof of Insurance: Proof Required - When Obtaining Registration
Penalties For Not Carrying Mandatory car insurance: Fine up to $1000 and up to one year in jail
Either way, I am more in favor of changing what you can be arrested for than changing the criteria for strip searches when you're being booked. If you get arrested and hauled in they have to search you. It would be stupid for them not to search you.
Yea, Maryland is full of assholes making the laws.
I had a set of tags stolen off my truck. While i argued with the DMV about them being stolen, they slowly clocked up $5000+ in fees for not turning in my tags. It took 3 years for them to acknowledge that they were stolen but they refuse to remove the fine from my record. I've been arguing with them for 4 years over that fine, we now just tag all the cars in my wifes name because fuck you if you think I'm giving these fucking shills 5g's for some fucking asshole stealing my tags.
Also also, I've been incarcerated quite a few times, and long before the strip search you go through an amazing amount of security, metal detectors, wand searches, body cavity detectors, if you manage to get shit past that point, you shouldn't be in jail, you should be working for MI6 with a 00 tag on your ass.
Most contraband in jail comes from the guards, thats how I got my cell phone when i was locked up, and its how i'd hide it from searches, its how you get pot and heroine too, and in some jails how you get smokes, and get to smoke (smoking is now illegal in all Maryland correctional facilities).
They're looking for the source in the wrong spot.
I suppose this argument has been brought up somewhere, but just to bring this thread back around to the topic....
One of the anti-Obamacare's main arguments is that the government can't require people to buy health insurance.
But most states (fuck you, Rhode Island) require car insurance to drive -- why not require health insurance to treat people?
Flame away. I'm not really making this argument, just opening up the debate.
The argument , and I actually agree with components to this - is that is exactly what "State's Rights" is all about. Car insurance provisions (I believe) are mandated by the state, and not the federal government. In historical terms, the Federal Government usually withholds money for things (like Freeway and Highway funds) if the States don't comply. I believe a State, right now, can opt out of forcing you do pay Car Insurance, but they would sacrifice the federal funds, but not pay a penalty, which HCR includes.
However this shit is all a mask to keep people from paying attention to the real details: Health Insurance is not chosen freely. Usually you are part of a group through your employer, in which case choosing something from the free market is impossible. If you are say, an American cancer patient and you can get generic drugs from Canada for 1/5th the cost - good luck; in this "Free Market Economy" you are actually currently forced to buy the American product at the American price.
So while everyone has people in a fit arguing about state's rights, federal rights, etc - it doesn't matter because your pocketbooks is getting raped either way. My dad's cancer medication was hilariously overpriced and the Canadian generic equivalent would have saved him thousands upon thousands of dollars. It was illegal for him to try and buy it.
Edit: when people complain about the mandate, I don't wholly disagree for this reason, but I also see it as something that the insurance companies would have never let happen (losing control of their controlled market) in order to get the more progressive things in there like pre-existing condition rules.
Something I hear quite often: America has a health industry. Other countries have health systems.
To my understanding, anything the federal government can't do then the state can't do it either. So if its found unconstitutional to mandate commerce, then that applies to both federal and state. Granted that's something I remember hearing awhile ago, so not sure if its correct.
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The problem is that there's no semblance of "can't do" anymore. They can suspend habeas corpus, they can start spying internally, they can physically track you or dig through any of your communications without warrants...
This applies only in terms of things forbidden, not things not granted to the federal government.
Therefore if you're found breaking federal law then state law don't matter. If the federal government couldn't make a law, the state law might still matter.
Well this is the entire reason the country had a civil war.
It is worth repeating that in our country in the late 1800s we fought the Confederate States over their rights to have Slaves, more importantly for them to decide themselves if it was legal or not.
You could take a commonly laughed at state law, like the banning of toys in children's fast food meals in San Fransisco, as an example of local or state law that the federal government could never enforce. New York has fois gras laws (or used to). California has outdoor smoking laws in addition to indoor ones, etc.
Commerce is the tricky part because inevitably the law is going to come to pass with whomever had the best lobbyists.
I found this fun and interesting; using census data - the effects of conservative policymaking:
http://conservative-truths.com/
TLDR: Alabama is one of the shittiest places to live in the whole USA.
Hehe, my state's liberal now.
Have you travelled the world? Because I have been to some shitty places, the USA are not one of them.
That fucking blows. I had my tags stolen in California, paid fourteen bucks to have them replaced, filed a dispute on the ticket with the police department and one week later got a letter saying 'gee, we're sorry, don't worry about it bro.' TL;DR Maryland is insane.
Heh, I was drunk last night, I read Bills post wrong. You might be right on the Alabama thing.
I have been to the USA 10 times or more, my mother works for Icelandair. Been to most of western Europe too.
One of my favourite places are Baltimore, why you ask? It has a nice city centre, the marina, some nice restaurants(one very good by the harbour), they even close off a small street for partying on fridays and saturdays. The biggest mall on the east coast. The hotel we used to stay in actually had a walking bridge to the mall.
And most important of all, everything is very cheap. Yes, I know that the city centre is a heavily protected tourist bubble.
We go to Orlando if we want to lay around the pool.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Are those states fucked up because of conservative policies, or are they conservative because they are fucked up.
I'd link you to some good novels on the South during the Civil Rights Era to give you gentlemen some context, but the gist of it is, WHITE FOLKS IS GUD AND NIGGERS IS MONKEYS IS CHINAMEN IS COMMONISM. The GOP's job for the last fifty years has been linking every liberal cause to one of these four latter topics.
It doesn't matter if monkeys, Asian-Americans (dude), or Communism are actually evil; they're just placeholders for 'bad things' which rally an electorate.
Considering they've been fucked up for the past four to five decades (at a minimum), and conservative as long, it would seem that the former is much more likely than the later. Or at the least, that conservative policies are incapable of unfucking them.
Neither. They're rural and poor areas. Conservative beliefs and behaviors are rooted in all the symptoms associated with being poor and rural. You could call them liberals, muppets, Jesus Goblins, whatever you'd like - the bottom line is that poverty begets ignorance begets isolationism begets etc etc
Try the following:
Go to a small town anywhere in the Bible belt. Tell them any of these:
1. "I'm gay, and I'm for gay rights."
2. "I'm black, and I'm for civil rights."
3. "I'm an atheist, and I believe in secular government."
Try not to get the shit beat out of you.
Chances are if you can travel the entire USA without issue you are straight, white, and believe in God (or pretend to).
You are correct that even the worst place in the United States is nowhere near as bad as say - Somalia. But I'm trying to keep it in context and only talk about what's inside the USA.
You even went to Rotherham you poor poor bastard
Ever seen the Bill Hicks bit where he's sitting in a Waffle House reading, and the waitress asks him, "What're you reading for?"
Not, "What are you reading," but "What are you reading for?"
There's a lot of that in this country. We have far more books than people, but not enough willingness to pick them up and sort out what all those letters mean.
I don't want to be entirely misunderstood as I think a lot of what is fantastic about America is our poor and rural areas should be celebrated.
I'm just afraid for my life when I go there because I'm in a mixed marriage and don't believe in God at all.
edit: Bill Hicks was a pretty funny guy but his was half-in half-out of his own schtick. He had no problem lambasting stupid people, which was great - then would kind of shuffle and degrade homosexuals in the same manner as the stupid people he professed to hate. I'm going to just chalk it up to him picking his battles. Still a funny dude.
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