Delve: The Good, the Bad and Marivauders Fucking Ugly

[Jean Leaner]

Yeah, we had richter calling targets, I'm still shocked he wasn't shot. and yeah, I just trained dictors, so I'm fucking around with those. p mad you lucky decloaked me 3km off that gate forcing me to bubble early. SUCH IS LIFE.

And the thing is, a lot of the time you're fighting TEST fleets; you guys get good fleet comps most of the time and have bonuses, we have the opposite. I dislike artycanes in general, I feel that you're too range limited, and then you gotta fuck around with ammo. I dunno, its partially because I dont think it'd work against a well comped and equal size fleet, and partially because I have a real hardon for autocannon canes. You guys manage to make it work for you though, through sheer blind luck or whatever it is, I have no idea.

Also you guys just dumpstered one of our fleets, good work.

We dunked on a few NCdot fleets while we were in geminate with them. They do well against drakes, but I wouldnt pit them up against any battleship or hac concept and expect them to do well.\

And they don't have a built in smartbomb firewall that they are 90+% em resisted against, they align slower, are overall slower, and have a bigger sig thus take more incoming fire.


If firewalling wasn't currently broken on TQ and SiSi Munnins would have been much better off, I may give Elo shit but they have the Munnin thing about as fucking pimp as you can get it, I'd just steal that and learn how to work it if I were you guys. You're doing amazing in TEST at comp diversification, theres no harm in learning the old ways of the elite and trying out LR hacs (essentially what the munnins are)

The one time I got to fly in an Elo Munnin fleet was awesome, I wish we would use munnins instead of canes, their just much more fun(and magnitudes better). The canes do get the job done most of the time at least v0v.

[Dysphonia]

We dunked on a few NCdot fleets while we were in geminate with them. They do well against drakes, but I wouldnt pit them up against any battleship or hac concept and expect them to do well.\

One day I'll bring a boosted nanodrake fleet and that'll be a different story :3333.

[progodlegend]

You're doing amazing in TEST at comp diversification, theres no harm in learning the old ways of the elite and trying out LR hacs (essentially what the munnins are)

This. LR Hac's are not just a pretty nice fleet comp, but they are great teaching pilots how to actually do shit other than just anchor and press F1. If nothing other than that it gets your pilots to start thinking on their own.

Though, they aren't nearly as good as they used to be in 08-09 because Logi are so much more popular these days, they will have trouble killing shit at times.

Honestly these days I'd just LR tier3 bc's

[Cranky old man]

Godfathers and their allies Gang Bang Team .

This alliance name is spectacular.

If anyone has license to blob, CLEARLY it's these guys

[Richter Belmont]

If anyone has license to blob, CLEARLY it's these guys

Too bad it's literally Hotdrop'o'clock and Staffo 0 losing two daredevils a day. The shitty bulgars actually tried to ransom my pod once.

Also I think I can count the number of command ship pilots in TEST on one hand. I really do not want to train for a Claymore this soon but christ there's not much motivation to NOT do a charisma remap.

[Jean Leaner]

Its the longest nine months(It might be slightly shorter) of training ever.

[Some Market Dude]

Doing charisma remap right now...it`s LONG, even when winning Eve with +5s.

[jeffraider]

just finished it, with the sweet sweet christmas remap i managed to swap straight over to int/mem after B)

[Atticus]

We dunked on a few NCdot fleets while we were in geminate with them. They do well against drakes, but I wouldnt pit them up against any battleship or hac concept and expect them to do well.\

Lol.

http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=7481

[Opti]

let me tell you about dem clone costs

[G M]

Lol.

http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=7481

"With a decent amount of logi"

IRC had 4.

[Aerallo]

Its the longest nine months(It might be slightly shorter) of training ever.

Pretty much, I have a trade alt doing it, just getting the leadership skills going, staying way the fuck away from Fleet Command 5 for now, but still need to get 3 of the warfares done (has anyone actually done a Information Warfare Spec 5 toon?)... THEN the actual ship which I have yet to determine. Great thing is I'll never need Charisma on that toon again!

I'm going to be a terrible jewwhore and rent boosting services out to ratters though. Bad thing is they'll actually buy it.

[Stammerer]

One day I'll bring a boosted nanodrake fleet and that'll be a different story :3333.

dude, you make that fleet and i'll make mine. 2 fully boosted BC fleets. size: 45-65 tops, location: c3n

time: EUTZ or latenight USTZ

we'll meet, fight and see who wins with equal numbers and no interference.

you make wild claims like that, someone might just take you up on it.

/signed a "minor" nulli FC.


Also: grath, about the muninn thing. You're completely right. They're fucking awesome(when not broken). But we figured that, for a lesser overall fleet cost, we can get just as good results vs most any roams. Arty canes do lack a bit in agility and versatility though. Viva different fleets comps haha.

[ihaveahelmet]

but they are great teaching pilots how to actually do shit other than just anchor and press F1. If nothing other than that it gets your pilots to start thinking on their own.

It's notthat different from the anchor-f1 deal, it's usually align-f1 with the addition of watching range to remain in optimal, but then again that usually goes for most fleet level concepts. Kinda fits the old quote by a wise man, that said something along the lines of "a man may be smart, but put him in a crowd and he turns 5yo and retarded".

[shin chan]

From what I understand,the only thing of worth in delve are the skirmishes.

That said, everyone involved is fortunate to have healthy pvp. Its nice to be able to spar fleet comps and give players experience which doesn't come around every day.

It'd be nice to see small gang/fleet action. I think cap-drops and counter drops aren't ideal. I hope the fights stay fun and its been interesting seeing test's fleet comps in the killmails. I hope for capped small gang skirmishes for the sake of goodfights.

[Jean Leaner]

Lol.

http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=7481

Was talking about arty canes.

[raptor217]

I can fly a mindlinked claymore with WC IV, and have been told every time that I can't boost for fleets. TEST just doen't want those boosts anyways...

[shin chan]

I can fly a mindlinked claymore with WC IV, and have been told every time that I can't boost for fleets. TEST just doen't want those boosts anyways...

The skill investment is significant, as well as the isk investment on the field when . mindlinks and such are involved. Its a measured player on the field. Wc4 doesn't go very far.

[Grim]

Irrelevant update:

That Dyspro tower in Fountain had a happy ending, with Godfathers attempting to rep it with ospreys. TASHA came back a few hours later in USTZ, with a little support from 99% and finished off the moon.

[Grogoth]

Was a huge adrenaline rush hitting 80% cap and jumping out just as a sabre landed.

*phew*

You know you only need 71%, right scrublord?

[Marivauder]

Dat thread title

[T'Renn]

your sig rules marivauder seriously.

[Securitas]

You know you only need 71%, right scrublord?

I do. It didn't matter though since the dreads still weren't capped up.

[Lorren Canada]

Its the longest nine months(It might be slightly shorter) of training ever.

You can get it down to five with +4s and proper remaps, although that's minimum skills. I currently have two characters training for claymores although I might bang out a damnation on one.

Lol.

http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=7481

ab Muninns?

[Embrace My Hate]

From what I understand,the only thing of worth in delve are the skirmishes.

That said, everyone involved is fortunate to have healthy pvp. Its nice to be able to spar fleet comps and give players experience which doesn't come around every day.

It'd be nice to see small gang/fleet action. I think cap-drops and counter drops aren't ideal. I hope the fights stay fun and its been interesting seeing test's fleet comps in the killmails. I hope for capped small gang skirmishes for the sake of goodfights.

I couldn't agree more, at first glance there's a lot of shit talking and :badposting: but at the end of the day i think we're all glad to have fun fights.

[Mfume]

"With a decent amount of logi"

IRC had 4.

They had more. It's just they were actually pretty intelligently placed, well outside of our lock range (and their own). Living logis who don't whore don't show up on the BR.

(CCP fix plz)

[Mfume]

also, hacs are terrible for learning anything unless you live in a vat of money

[Gorga]

also, hacs are terrible for learning anything unless you live in a vat of money

Drake Diet!

[Some Market Dude]

also, hacs are terrible for learning anything unless you live in a vat of money

sup?

[Mr Coloredshirt]

They're fucking awesome(when not broken). But we figured that, for a lesser overall fleet cost, we can get just as good results

literally nulli motto


also rofl at blegion muninns being challenging for the individual fleet members. If you somehow manage to fuck up "orbit elo and try to get guns on primary before it's alphad", elo is literally an all-knowing wizard and will canadastyle (ie nicely) tell you p much instantly.

[Dysphonia]

literally nulli motto


also rofl at blegion muninns being challenging for the individual fleet members. If you somehow manage to fuck up "orbit elo and try to get guns on primary before it's alphad", elo is literally an all-knowing wizard and will canadastyle (ie nicely) tell you p much instantly.

Never actually flown moonins, but I'm pretty sure its like my beloved sniper nados, where you warp out to an align when you get yellow boxed.

[Some Market Dude]

literally nulli motto


also rofl at blegion muninns being challenging for the individual fleet members. If you somehow manage to fuck up "orbit elo and try to get guns on primary before it's alphad", elo is literally an all-knowing wizard and will canadastyle (ie nicely) tell you p much instantly.

lol

50% of the vidoes:

"x you're drifting away"

"y catch up, z catch up"

so hard to be bad in bl

[Vik Reddy]

Elo told me once muninn "is the worst hac in the game" (I disagree, eagle sucks more). I think he was referring to the very small margin for fuck-ups, but tbh they don't scale well in the large blob fights until you reach a critical mass. If that doesn't work, or if the enemy fleet has a single lachesis and huginn, it's impending doom unless those ships are taken down fast (no warping out when yellowboxed). You can warp onto the field, alpha one, two, three important ships, and then you have to be ready to warp out quickly. It's a good adjunct to a meatshield fleet but not in a massive brawl.

As much as muninns excel, they lack the raw power of the tornadoes - which produce twice the alpha from close range, and outalpha and outdps the muninns from 100km (which is pointless to fight from in muninns - as the BL. fit indicates). In some ways the tier 3s are just better, and arty canes can mimic what the muninns can do at cheaper costs. There's no room for learning in a muninn, you either have finesse and live or you get gangraped faster than a t1 cruiser.

[Some Market Dude]

Elo told me once muninn...

good for blapkiting terrible grabbag "HD" fleets led by cteam fcs from cteam alliances.

[Tayler Derden]

Though, they aren't nearly as good as they used to be in 08-09 because Logi are so much more popular these days, they will have trouble killing shit at times.

It have nothing to do with logistics, try again.

[Quesa]

Never actually flown moonins, but I'm pretty sure its like my beloved sniper nados, where you warp out to an align when you get yellow boxed.

ABs=Orbit, MWDs=align n warp

(generally)

[progodlegend]

It's notthat different from the anchor-f1 deal, it's usually align-f1 with the addition of watching range to remain in optimal, but then again that usually goes for most fleet level concepts. Kinda fits the old quote by a wise man, that said something along the lines of "a man may be smart, but put him in a crowd and he turns 5yo and retarded".

Your forgetting the whole, "warp out if you are about to take damage or taking too much damage (depending on what your fighting". Considering it not always easy to snap to your warpout spot and hit the button, that can be something that pilots need to get used too.

[progodlegend]

2009 Vulture/Damnation mindlink pilot checking in. Back then I was so excited to have both shield and armor mindlink trained, as I said to myself, "the implants are only 10mil, I can just unplug them and switch out if I ever need too".

Now its like 200 mil if you want to do that, needless to say I trained up a second char for that stuff, and between those two pilots at least one of them will have a jumpclone with the mindlink I need ready to jump into.

[shin chan]

what about ejecting from drakes? is that a fleet concept?

[Some Market Dude]

Your forgetting the whole, "warp out if you are about to take damage or taking too much damage (depending on what your fighting". Considering it not always easy to snap to your warpout spot and hit the button, that can be something that pilots need to get used too.

warping out when primaried is pretty pro stuff; let's not confuse people with too many "advanced tactics" at once

[Deet Duh Dee]

what about ejecting from drakes? is that a fleet concept?

Ejecting from drakes now? I thought that elite move was reserved only for T3's and Vagabonds.

[Deet Duh Dee]

umm. wow? I feel violated.

http://soundcloud.com/hatrefuge/rich...nulli-meltdown

Will you be my mayor? Daddy?

[Tayler Derden]

2009 Vulture/Damnation mindlink pilot checking in. Back then I was so excited to have both shield and armor mindlink trained, as I said to myself, "the implants are only 10mil, I can just unplug them and switch out if I ever need too".

Cool story bro, for some reason eve-kill says you got your first kill with vulture at june 2010 using t1 guns lmao.

[Tayler Derden]

Also wtf is this thread? How could RA possibly invade anything?

[Tayler Derden]

Triple posting to say Richter Belmont is fucking awesome.

[Booyaka]

umm. wow? I feel violated.

http://soundcloud.com/hatrefuge/rich...nulli-meltdown

Will you be my mayor? Daddy?

Sounds like that hilarious Hydra soundboard from years ago.

[Agathor]

RICHTER INCOMING !!!!!!

[Richter Belmont]

Mistakes were made.

I got mad.

[Jean Leaner]

I had quite a bit of fun, Aparently you didn't. Is that why you ejected from your drake?

EDIT: Dunked.

[Some Lemming]

I had quite a bit of fun, Aparently you didn't. Is that why you ejected from your drake?

EDIT: Dunked.

You sure that was a dunking and not a dumpstering?