Heart of gold seems a bit much. Saying he felt a bit guilty (or human) enough to report his suicidal words to CCP is more accurate IMO. But good on you for that, Tag.Originally Posted by Don Peyote
Heart of gold seems a bit much. Saying he felt a bit guilty (or human) enough to report his suicidal words to CCP is more accurate IMO. But good on you for that, Tag.
I once hit a car backing out of my parking spot and someone saw me do it so I walked over to the car and pretended to write down my information. That is what Mr McTagMan is doing right now. Poor feller he scammed is hurling himself off a tall building as we speak.
No, quite honestly we haven't spoken and I don't think we will. I learnt to scam from a couple of people and the cardinal, golden rule I had drummed into me was "never admit to it." I have nothing more to say to him - if he starts a conversation with me then i'll say "hey sorry for the delay we'll get it done soon" and walk away - if he doesn't then I wish him the best and I hope he's learned a valuable lesson from my despicable actions.
Edit: I should clarify that it was Kaleb's idea to petition the guy. I was kind of too focused on duping him to give a shit. It's his heart of gold.
Cool story bro.
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Shit, it wouldn't be the first time goons have killed somebody over the internet.
This guy didn't mention pumpkins though so maybe there's hope
I couldn't think of a more fitting way for Eve to get shut down if there is some kind of publicity backlash.
Like you give a fuck, like any of us care what he's doing
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(11:47:38 AM) endie: If you lot don't stop that I'm moving this corp to test
I've always seen scamming as a bit like some kind of oil reservoir - you'll get isk and isk and isk but it won't last forever. I keep feeling that it HAS to run out before long because, well, surely stupidity is not a constant? Surely the basis of scamming - finding thick people who haven't heard of or refuse to believe of your scam - means that it won't last forever?
Then I realise that it's lasted about seven~ years now, and shows no sign of stopping.
The day the last recruitment scam is pulled off successfully is the day EVE dies.
I really hope this is that day.
If some dude actually committed suicide because I scammed him I wouldn't give a rats' ass.You're doing it wrong mate. The best part of the scam is collecting and spreading to joy of their tears afterwards.No, quite honestly we haven't spoken and I don't think we will. I learnt to scam from a couple of people and the cardinal, golden rule I had drummed into me was "never admit to it." I have nothing more to say to him - if he starts a conversation with me then i'll say "hey sorry for the delay we'll get it done soon" and walk away - if he doesn't then I wish him the best and I hope he's learned a valuable lesson from my despicable actions.
There's nothing worse than having a good idea for a post not being good enough to pull it off :negative:
People still buy into Ponzi schemes and other such well-known scams IRL and those have been known about for decades/centuries. There isn't exactly a global shortage of gullible idiots.
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Scamming your alts to make a thread? Unheard of.....
1 million subs a week after this happens tbqfh.
Likely true so long as lolmurica doesn't get involved and try use their world police powers to influence CCP into shutting down/changing the metagame.
Maybe we could have a congressional hearing on the matter? After all, Congress likes to investigate everything in "games" from steroids to bounty programs.
job well done, Suicidal or not id take the 80b anyways.
"Two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity. And i'm not sure about the universe".
I think Einstein said that.
Goons will not stop this until some poor bastard's corpse is twisting on the end of an extension cord somewhere (and we won't stop then, either.)
Bull fucking shit, yes you would.
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I was going to stay out of this thread, however after his ~wife/fiancé/mother(his 2nd personality) just posted this i am unable to resist.
Not only did you make someone ~cut his arm open but you are literally KILLING HOSPITAL PATIENTS.Well I hope you boys are proud of yourselves. Scamming someone with severe mental illness? That's really classy. Oh, and xxxxx - thanks for your support. He thought you guys were friends. Or at least, allies. What the fuck is wrong with you both? You don't seem to realise that your actions affect real people... And not just the person you're scamming. He was sick already and in hospital, which - given the hours i work, was stressful enough as it was. So on top of that, now I have my fiancé on the phone in tears over this, while I was at work with my own patients to worry about - so, you've affected not only him, and me, but potentially any patient under my care - yesterday, that was about 50 people. Then, right after i finish yet another 12 hour shift, i get a call that he's cut his arm open - what a charming distraction as I'm driving home. You've single-handedly put his recovery back a month, probably more. You have no idea what you've just done, and what's worse is that you apparently don't care. Your wife must be so proud.
You guys did this to him. He didn't have any problems before you came around. Now he's cut himself open and this sort of self-depreciating behavior is going to set his recovery back by a month.
Pfft, motherfucker can't own his own stupid.
Goons almost killed 50 crazy people.
And three illiterate titan pilots from what I hear.
My wife does case management for people with all kinds of mental illnesses. The recurring theme from almost all of the stories she tells me about these crazy fucks is that their problems are the fault of everyone but themselves.
It leads me to believe that one of the prerequisites for having these types of illnesses is an inability to take responsibility for your own circumstances.
I rate these not by the amount scammed but by the difficulty of the target. Scamming someone like, oh... Mittani, who I'd assume would be hard to scam, now that would be worth bragging about. Bragging about scamming some person who's obviously not competent is like a professional sports team bragging about beating a kindergarden team -- sure you got the loot but how much skill was involved?
Hurp durp internet slapfight about the 'skill' required to accomplish something.
Look, the surprise in all of this is that the guy was able to amass 80 billion isk worth of assets and not be taken for a ride a dozen times over already. At the end of the day you can have your 'skill' cause those niggers got paid.
Holy shit some Internet Tough Guy going on here.
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I'm not certain, but I'm pretty sure what Einstein said was 'The two most common elements in the Universe are Hydrogen and Stupidity'. Its possible he said what you did, its just this is the one that I've always used to describe the same thing you are. :P
This is really reaching for you.
This. I don't pretend there is any 'skill' involved in lying to someone over a medium that doesn't use facial cues or body language or a thousand other things. Thread was posted because we stole a huge amount from someone who should've been cleaned out a thousand times before, not because I need people to suck my dick and tell me i'm so ~skilled~.
Being honest, however, any of you are welcome to suck my dick and tell me how skilled I am.
I'm prepared to live in a world where things that are a damning indictment of character for the sane are also symptoms that you shouldn't hold against the mentally ill.
Starting a thread with a long post, replete with Officer Obie-like twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one to brag about your admitted no-skill scamming isn't a cry for attention? Okey-dokey... What would you do if you accomplished something worthwhile -- enquiring minds want to know!
You're actually really pissed that we stole so much from someone so vulnerable, aren't you?
More like Internet Sociopath, really
Really? Because from my experience of people with depressive problems, is that they go out of their way to put blame on themselves, even for stuff they're not actually doing (eg. 'im ruining my families life')
And you obtain this wealth of 'experience' from ... where? Because while dealing with people with mental health issues isn't a huge part of my job, I do spend a significant time helping them (I work for Humana's Medicare division), I have always found that they are never willing to believe that they've made a mistake. It's always Humana or the pharmacy or their doctor or their nurse or their children ... and sometimes it is, but usually it isn't.
There are so many levels of irony in this thread it's literally dripping down the walls.
personal experience, not in a professional sense, but ive known at least a dozen people over the years who were psychotic, bipolar, depressed etc.
this was mostly people living rough though, so theres probably a difference between them and someone who's cashing a disability check and filling out forms
Same here. My wife works for the dept of mental health for our state. It's always someone else's fault. The response the mark's wife made is typical of these sorts of people. "My boss yelled at me so I took 60 xanex. You stole my entire internet spaceship life, so I cut open my arm." Every destructive action they take is someone else's responsibility or fault.
It's why I didn't feel particularly bad during Gallente Ice Interdiction when I scammed and griefed that 23 mackinaw pilot "The Wis," who claimed afterwards that all he wanted to do was go and die. He blamed his situation on his wife and the divorce, instead of taking a good hard look at himself and figuring out what he was doing wrong with his life and making adjustments.
Devilish is dead on. A lot of these people think it's the agency's fault if they don't take their own medication. Or if they forget their appointment and run out of pills, it's also the agency's fault. If social security doesn't approve their disability claim because the only thing that's wrong with them is they are fat, stupid and lazy... not their fault!
Funny, from the story I got the impression you were the pathological liar
I really hate no-content "umad" posts. However, I'll let the next person to say it (and only the next person) get away with it because holy shit this fucking thread.
Additionally, if you're mentally unstable enough that getting scammed in a video game where scamming is a marketing point will drive you to self-mutilation, you should consider playing a different game.
EVE is ruthless. It's marketed that way. Scamming is explicitly allowed. It's a den of filth of the filthiest pieces of shit to play video games. If you can't deal with that, play something else.
This thread serves as a perfect example of:
A) armchair psychology
B) how mental illness is stigmatized
C) humanity being humanity
D) lawyer levels of justification
E) how eve is the worst/best game ever made
Now can we get back to the important part? IE - if someone REALLY DOES commit suicide over internet spaceships and it goes viral, (lots of gaming media, mainstream media attention) do you think CCP will cave? I answer yes, as soon as it starts to affect their bottom line, CCP will do a 180 degree on the whole "EVE is hard" thing and become wow in space.
Next question, do we want to push this agenda to where CCP has to make that choice?
EDIT: DHD, I'd like to add that I agree with your post above mine until you get to the marketing bit. Until now, this hardcore scamming and metagaming hasn't been marketed per se. Yes, CCP has allowed it for the longest time, but it seems IMO kind of brushed under the rug as far as new player tutorials and the various official websites. Most players dont realize what's happening until they start interacting (read: getting scammed by) with people who've played longer.
Titan pilots brought the nerf upon themselves by using their ships to their fullest potential
I'm not going to let myself be caged in by threats of suicide over a video game. The tos and eula is designed to allow a harsh game, but one that stays entirely within the reasonable confines of what is still a game.
The fact that that some people decide to invest so much time and effort into a game isn't anyone's fault but their own. It is no different than some nerd spending all his time playing Monopoly, and then threatening to kill himself if you bankrupt him. Put in those terms, even the average joe can understand where the fault lies.
I really have zero sympathy here, and would not let myself be cornered in a spaceship game over real life shit.
It should be noticed, SMD, that he was talking about his mental issues long before the idea of scamming came up at all.
I'm not questioning whether it was right to scam him (that's fine, it's unlikely anything bad would/will happen in RL over it anyway), McTag is totally in the clear on that IMO.
The people I think are being total douchebags are people like Lorren. There's a huge difference between saying "It's unlikely anything will actually happen but just in case I'll let CCP know" and "On the small chance I fucked up, ignored the warning signs, and pushed some mentally unstable guy off the edge I wouldn't care at all because he just shouldn't have played this game anyway if he couldn't handle it."
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And no one ever lies on the internet
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I'd absolutely agree with the latter.
You're talking about curbing entirely reasonable behaviour just in case someone around you happens to actually be on the tipping point of suicide.
Face to face I can make a decent judgment over whether or not I should curb my usual behaviour to account for someone's special circumstances. That's fine. Caging yourself in over every nerd who says he's gonna kill himself in a video game? Fuck it. Not my problem.
I'm really not. I think the scamming is 100% fine(dunno if I'd do it but hey), I just think a few people (not the dude who scammed him, who is strangely enough the most considerate) are showing what morally devoid douchebags they are. Either that or they're posing to look more like hardcore internet tough guys I'm really not sure.
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