I once hit a car backing out of my parking spot and someone saw me do it so I walked over to the car and pretended to write down my information. That is what Mr McTagMan is doing right now. Poor feller he scammed is hurling himself off a tall building as we speak.
No, quite honestly we haven't spoken and I don't think we will. I learnt to scam from a couple of people and the cardinal, golden rule I had drummed into me was "never admit to it." I have nothing more to say to him - if he starts a conversation with me then i'll say "hey sorry for the delay we'll get it done soon" and walk away - if he doesn't then I wish him the best and I hope he's learned a valuable lesson from my despicable actions.
Edit: I should clarify that it was Kaleb's idea to petition the guy. I was kind of too focused on duping him to give a shit. It's his heart of gold.
I couldn't think of a more fitting way for Eve to get shut down if there is some kind of publicity backlash.
I've always seen scamming as a bit like some kind of oil reservoir - you'll get isk and isk and isk but it won't last forever. I keep feeling that it HAS to run out before long because, well, surely stupidity is not a constant? Surely the basis of scamming - finding thick people who haven't heard of or refuse to believe of your scam - means that it won't last forever?
Then I realise that it's lasted about seven~ years now, and shows no sign of stopping.
The day the last recruitment scam is pulled off successfully is the day EVE dies.
I really hope this is that day.
If some dude actually committed suicide because I scammed him I wouldn't give a rats' ass.You're doing it wrong mate. The best part of the scam is collecting and spreading to joy of their tears afterwards.No, quite honestly we haven't spoken and I don't think we will. I learnt to scam from a couple of people and the cardinal, golden rule I had drummed into me was "never admit to it." I have nothing more to say to him - if he starts a conversation with me then i'll say "hey sorry for the delay we'll get it done soon" and walk away - if he doesn't then I wish him the best and I hope he's learned a valuable lesson from my despicable actions.
There's nothing worse than having a good idea for a post not being good enough to pull it off :negative:
Scamming your alts to make a thread? Unheard of.....
job well done, Suicidal or not id take the 80b anyways.
Goons will not stop this until some poor bastard's corpse is twisting on the end of an extension cord somewhere (and we won't stop then, either.)
I was going to stay out of this thread, however after his ~wife/fiancÚ/mother(his 2nd personality) just posted this i am unable to resist.
Not only did you make someone ~cut his arm open but you are literally KILLING HOSPITAL PATIENTS.Well I hope you boys are proud of yourselves. Scamming someone with severe mental illness? That's really classy. Oh, and xxxxx - thanks for your support. He thought you guys were friends. Or at least, allies. What the fuck is wrong with you both? You don't seem to realise that your actions affect real people... And not just the person you're scamming. He was sick already and in hospital, which - given the hours i work, was stressful enough as it was. So on top of that, now I have my fiancÚ on the phone in tears over this, while I was at work with my own patients to worry about - so, you've affected not only him, and me, but potentially any patient under my care - yesterday, that was about 50 people. Then, right after i finish yet another 12 hour shift, i get a call that he's cut his arm open - what a charming distraction as I'm driving home. You've single-handedly put his recovery back a month, probably more. You have no idea what you've just done, and what's worse is that you apparently don't care. Your wife must be so proud.
You guys did this to him. He didn't have any problems before you came around. Now he's cut himself open and this sort of self-depreciating behavior is going to set his recovery back by a month.
Pfft, motherfucker can't own his own stupid.
Goons almost killed 50 crazy people.
It leads me to believe that one of the prerequisites for having these types of illnesses is an inability to take responsibility for your own circumstances.
I rate these not by the amount scammed but by the difficulty of the target. Scamming someone like, oh... Mittani, who I'd assume would be hard to scam, now that would be worth bragging about. Bragging about scamming some person who's obviously not competent is like a professional sports team bragging about beating a kindergarden team -- sure you got the loot but how much skill was involved?
Look, the surprise in all of this is that the guy was able to amass 80 billion isk worth of assets and not be taken for a ride a dozen times over already. At the end of the day you can have your 'skill' cause those niggers got paid.
Being honest, however, any of you are welcome to suck my dick and tell me how skilled I am.
You're actually really pissed that we stole so much from someone so vulnerable, aren't you?
There are so many levels of irony in this thread it's literally dripping down the walls.
this was mostly people living rough though, so theres probably a difference between them and someone who's cashing a disability check and filling out forms
It's why I didn't feel particularly bad during Gallente Ice Interdiction when I scammed and griefed that 23 mackinaw pilot "The Wis," who claimed afterwards that all he wanted to do was go and die. He blamed his situation on his wife and the divorce, instead of taking a good hard look at himself and figuring out what he was doing wrong with his life and making adjustments.
Devilish is dead on. A lot of these people think it's the agency's fault if they don't take their own medication. Or if they forget their appointment and run out of pills, it's also the agency's fault. If social security doesn't approve their disability claim because the only thing that's wrong with them is they are fat, stupid and lazy... not their fault!
I really hate no-content "umad" posts. However, I'll let the next person to say it (and only the next person) get away with it because holy shit this fucking thread.
Additionally, if you're mentally unstable enough that getting scammed in a video game where scamming is a marketing point will drive you to self-mutilation, you should consider playing a different game.
EVE is ruthless. It's marketed that way. Scamming is explicitly allowed. It's a den of filth of the filthiest pieces of shit to play video games. If you can't deal with that, play something else.
This thread serves as a perfect example of:
A) armchair psychology
B) how mental illness is stigmatized
C) humanity being humanity
D) lawyer levels of justification
E) how eve is the worst/best game ever made
Now can we get back to the important part? IE - if someone REALLY DOES commit suicide over internet spaceships and it goes viral, (lots of gaming media, mainstream media attention) do you think CCP will cave? I answer yes, as soon as it starts to affect their bottom line, CCP will do a 180 degree on the whole "EVE is hard" thing and become wow in space.
Next question, do we want to push this agenda to where CCP has to make that choice?
EDIT: DHD, I'd like to add that I agree with your post above mine until you get to the marketing bit. Until now, this hardcore scamming and metagaming hasn't been marketed per se. Yes, CCP has allowed it for the longest time, but it seems IMO kind of brushed under the rug as far as new player tutorials and the various official websites. Most players dont realize what's happening until they start interacting (read: getting scammed by) with people who've played longer.
I'm not going to let myself be caged in by threats of suicide over a video game. The tos and eula is designed to allow a harsh game, but one that stays entirely within the reasonable confines of what is still a game.
The fact that that some people decide to invest so much time and effort into a game isn't anyone's fault but their own. It is no different than some nerd spending all his time playing Monopoly, and then threatening to kill himself if you bankrupt him. Put in those terms, even the average joe can understand where the fault lies.
I really have zero sympathy here, and would not let myself be cornered in a spaceship game over real life shit.
It should be noticed, SMD, that he was talking about his mental issues long before the idea of scamming came up at all.
I'm not questioning whether it was right to scam him (that's fine, it's unlikely anything bad would/will happen in RL over it anyway), McTag is totally in the clear on that IMO.
The people I think are being total douchebags are people like Lorren. There's a huge difference between saying "It's unlikely anything will actually happen but just in case I'll let CCP know" and "On the small chance I fucked up, ignored the warning signs, and pushed some mentally unstable guy off the edge I wouldn't care at all because he just shouldn't have played this game anyway if he couldn't handle it."
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I'd absolutely agree with the latter.
You're talking about curbing entirely reasonable behaviour just in case someone around you happens to actually be on the tipping point of suicide.
Face to face I can make a decent judgment over whether or not I should curb my usual behaviour to account for someone's special circumstances. That's fine. Caging yourself in over every nerd who says he's gonna kill himself in a video game? Fuck it. Not my problem.
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