When there's so much material to haze -A- over, having to intentionally misinterpret posts just looks dumb.
Secondly, can you please tell me more about the symbolic connection between Tengus and the cowardice that lives within the hearts of AAA's FCs? This talk of mental crutches is dime store psychology straight out of The Dr. Phil Show.
Third, and most germane to the subject at hand, Tengus are an adaptation, an attempt to engage more and more hostiles with less and less friendlies. Given the current state of Eve, it's not surprising that people are struggling to find ways to fight without numerical superiority.
If only there were a famous alliance that people out-numbered could hire to save them from shitty blobs. Oh wait, they are now FCing coalition fleets, mentoring TEST, and maintain a NAP with Goons to keep their moons safe. So much for a real war this year. Maybe after the tech nerf.
If they'd been made into non-combat ships which were still useful as fuck to alliances, first of all we wouldn't have had this supercap race, and second of all there would be a fucktonne less of them in the game.
Also how the hell Evol get in this band? Does Molle still playing? He going to have a stroke, when log in and will see test and pl blue with them....
"all of this [I]has happened before[/I] and all of it [I]will happen again"[/I]
Sel was very much a part of the supers change esp. the HP buff and the death ray doomsday, both good in my view except the HP was overdone by 25% at least.
Wtf is this?? you high on Shadoo´s jizz or something?
So -A-, when are you batphoning SOLAR and the rest of the DRF?
[spoiler= -A- Dude on SuperCaps][quote=midi2304][COLOR=#333333]Maybe if team tech knew how to use supers properly they wouldn't be taking yards of mittani cock all over the north at the moment?[/COLOR][/quote][/spoiler]
What? I have no idea who you think I am, but I have bad news: I'm not that person. My alliance history can be summed up as Black Flag. If you remember who that was, congratulations, you've been playing this game a long time. I have never in my life worked with a Providence entity, much less been part of one.
And how else is one supposed to interpret the use of a fleet comp which is designed to survive rather than win an engagement when you're fighting a sov war? Lest we forget, -A- chose to assault 49-, the battle was not forced on them. They chose to do it with these instruments, which were incapable of winning a fight for the objective and whose main virtue is that if the battle is lost few of them will die.
If the battle is lost, few of them will die. That bears repeating. That is, by your own admission, the desired attribute for which these Tengus were created. Not to win, but to pre-cauterize the wounds. Not to succeed, but to keep the loss of ships to a minimum. And to hell with the loss of sov.
Nothing more clearly illustrates the level to which -A- has sunk than that even when they deliberately attempt to prosecute a sov war, seeking out sov targets and attacking them, they do it with instruments that they have designed for the express purpose of escaping when they fail.
Guys, -A- is an alliance that specializes in small-gang warfare, so it's understandable that you would be afraid of our 100MN AB Tengus. It has been scientifically proven that people in CFC can only blob and have no skill so they wouldn't understand why -A- uses a fleet comp that depends heavily on pilot skill.
Am I doing the -A- posting thing right?
It's not a bizarre sentence, man. I can't make it much simpler then "they can't actually win what they set out to with these ships".
And in case anyone missed the point, I don't have the answer for what -A-'s done to themselves since I don't think there is an answer. But the fact their very fleet comp indicates they are not willing to commit to an effort (because again, it's designed to bail out when the going gets rough). They don't want to win.
Sorry, Night, I guess I have you confused. Maybe I was thinking of Night Combat or whatever his name is.
You see, many of the most prolific anti-AAA CFC members are former Providence "holder" alliance members who fled to the NC and then to the arms of Mittani's CFC instead of fighting for their space when things got bad each time. Typical "follow the isk" players who just want to rat most days, occasionally showing up to a fleet once a week.
I find it amusing to see them all arrayed against their former tormentors now, which I why I seized on the opportunity when I believed it had appeared.
As for losing because their ships are too defensive, bro, you have to be able to rep incoming damage to fight out-numbered. It's the same reason PL used Armor-HACs when the meta was all about maelstroms and drakes, or why they - in fact - invented the Thunder Cat that AAA has modified with a 100mn AB and some e-war.
PL is probably the alliance with the best history of success fighting out-manned (on a large scale at leasT) and if they aren't the ones to emulate, then who is? I guess AAA could always try Muninns.
AAA was on-field for like 4 hours last week for the second-to-last station timer in 49- in Tengus. There is no reason why they can't stay on field forever if the fight is manageable enough. It's all about numbers, not doctrines.
No one is contesting the fact that AAA is losing and running away from most fights, but what strikes me as odd is that people honestly seem to be saying that they would be doing better if they fought to the last man in battleships or whatever the fuck else (drakes???)
My assumption is that the CFC is hugely disappointed with this war. They want battles daily, with 500 dead AAA Rokhs on the boards. They want to feel like they earned every system. They are posting here, frustrated, begging AAA to be "real men" and bend over for them in their juicy large-signature ships.
Sorry, but Eve doesn't work that way! You don't take space by winning close battles, you win before the battles are fought. Mittani has known this for years, which his coalition is so fucking dominant right now. Also why 0.0 bores me to tears.
Then came Dominion and Seleene (CCP Abathur) proposed the new supercarrier concept that made motherships substantially different in role & capability from tier1 carriers (fighter bombers as anti-capital weapons, no more triage).
However, 2 months later something miraculous happened and CCP Nozh decided in a rare case of insight to put Abathur's "rushed" changes on ice calling for additional rounds of testing & balancing for supercarriers because "balancing becomes a very delicate matter considering the sheer scale of their power".
His devblog also features remarkable comments such as
The response to that devblog was not especially enthusiastic:Originally Posted by CCP Nozh
A new sisi patch showed supercarriers that were significantly weaker than Abathur's original vision and soon the forums drowned in "free CCP Abathur" spam.Originally Posted by The Mittani
Eventually the playerbase which wanted supercapitals to be "super" got their way and Abathur's changes were deployed with Dominion 1.1.
Instead of taking this as a lesson on what happens when players are allowed to do game design we prefer to blame this episode on CCP in general and Seleene in particular.
(to be fair there was a lot of derp in CCP Nozh's posts at that time, iirc he had some graph which showed the effect of target painters on motherships... but in hindsight his concerns regarding the power of capitals in general and Abathur-style supercarriers in particular turned out to be right)
-a-'s answer to losing so many scimis
From: Makalu Zarya
Sent: 2012.08.12 22:39
To: Against ALL Authorities,
BOYS AND GIRLS I GIVE YOU
THE 100MN AB SCIMI!!!!!!
ok boys and girls we have yet another scimi fitting change FOR TENGU FLEETS ONLY.
Our fit differs very slightly because the -A- fit has t2 rigs,..... which cost 100m each lol. + 2 implants, that cost 40ishm also, no thanks RIB wallet cries. so our fit is below, we have 192hp less per rep cycle BUT more cap and more tank .
this is surely the right fit :P.
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
Power Diagnostic System II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Cap Recharger II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 100MN Afterburner I
Medium S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Scimitar Easy save fitting.
Also you need to train your ab skills like yesterday - Afterburner V, Fuel Conservation V
Cap stable with one large and one medium rep and all 5 skills...
EDIT: With logi 4 you can only run one large rep, even with all 5 AB skills, cap skills and shield emission systems 5 and standard mindflood.
So Makalu is basically reducing the number of logi -A- is going to be able to field? I'm ok with this.
You've got to be shitting me.
Nobody is that dumb.
-A- are to the SoCo like SC.AG was to TEST.
Just get the fuck out
Oh my god.
I told myself, "They do 100mn recons, they do 100mn ecm tengus, they possibly CAN'T be dumb enough to do this. No way they will do 100mn scimitars."
And then they do it.
Thank god for no 1000mn prop mods.
turning is for people who make mistakes as to where they want to go
AAA makes no such mistakes and has no need for turning
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That scimitar has 5 fitting mods on it. FIVE!
I await the awesome lossmails.
Please be real
It's missing the whore gun. How will they know they were actually in the fight? :iiam:
The 100MN tengus work pretty decently. 100mn Scimitars are just retarded since if your anchor isn't awful they shouldn't be getting shot at.
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hey guys medium reps are only half as good but it doesn't matter. (who cares about range or rep power)
surely a single large rep will be more than enough to do what is needed.
Dear god test how you guys got so lucky to draw these idiots... i dont know
PL spending have since the start been very open, every corp director has had access to our alliance wallet full API since API was released. We've since made reading the information easy with custom tracker pages and distill the information regularly to piechart level.
1 day member in PL is able to see exactly how much we earn, spending we regularly report via our TWUs and SOTLs as you can read on EN24/here or dig through archives on K.com forum mirrors. Our contract sums were never a secret, but they were often trolled about - you can easily find the sums in the forum mirror and know exactly our thinking behind why we charged the sums we did. None of this should hardly be a suprise.
Right this second, PL wallet is at 619billion, our assets in alliance stock (tourney/unique) are worth ~1T. Most our corporations have ~20billion spending isk on ally replaced logistics and ~50bil in alliance assets apart from communist corps by quick glance of API data (which all corps provide and everyone can read easily in dir). Our isk level fluxuates between 200-1tril regularly due to investments made in unique ships and other assets, but the alliance "worth" has stayed the same for about ~2 years I recall looking at it closely since whatever extra we earn, we spend on alliance member programs through supercap subsidies and dread assistance as examples. We normally gather more unique ships as well for use in tourneys with any influx cash.
So, that's PL. Can you really say the same for any SoCo alliances? I mean it's pretty well known your alliance income is ~300b/month and you spend pretty much all of that, but even a grunt knows much more than that is drawn in every month ;-).
100mn ab basilisk can maintain four large reps because of cap chain with logi v.
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You think -a- can keep a proper cap chain going?
blackbirds > basilisks guys
If you kill enough of them they stop fighting - Gen. Curtis Lemay
Fear the KKM
Call me crazy, but I think Shadoo is trying to imply something here with his posts about alliance financial data, specifically pertaining to Against ALL Authorities.
1. Wait for scimis to turn
3. Kill 50 strat cruisers
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(11:47:38 AM) endie: If you lot don't stop that I'm moving this corp to test
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