Goonswarm Federation: The Last Bastion Of True Macho Chat

[Fix Lag]

I'm just mad that Midori Tsu, whoever the fuck that is, broke my chain of snipes.

[Lorren Canada]

A bloo bloo the US is so poor. Its not a lack of money, its a poor choice of expenditure. You've got more money that everyone else combined.

It's called debt. Go look it up in the dictionary

edit: not that our expenditure isn't bad, but that's an entirely different although related issue

[tgr]

What I love about the US, is how it went from actually turning a profit when clinton left, to super-deficit when bush left, and Obama is seemingly getting the blame.

[Fix Lag]

What I love about the US, is how it went from actually turning a profit when clinton left, to super-deficit when bush left, and Obama is seemingly getting the blame.

That might be because Obama's spending a lot more money than Bush did, but vOv

[Combat Scrub]

I listened to the same NPR story which made the same disclaimers about "its not drinking water" and "its localized" that i made.

Actually the first comment on the story you linked sums it up perfectly. Thanks for helping make my point. Drinking from an aquifer that freely mixes with oil, natural gas, benzene and other hydrocarbons is probably a bad idea even before you introduce hydraulic fracturing. I know I prefer my water with a shiny film on top.

Actually, you (and the first commenter) should have read the report more carefully then.

Alternative explanations were carefully considered to explain individual sets of data. However, when considered together with other lines of evidence, the data indicates likely impact to ground water that can be explained by hydraulic fracturing.

Gas from Fort Union and Wind RiverFormations is dry and unlikely to yield liquid condensates at ground water pressure and temperature conditions. In addition, a condensate origin for petroleum hydrocarbons in ground water is doubtful because dissolved hydrocarbon gas compositions and concentrations are similar between the two deep monitoring wells and therefore would yield similar liquid condensates, yet the compositions and concentrations of organic compounds detected in these wells are quite different.

[tgr]

That might be because Obama's spending a lot more money than Bush did, but vOv

If you've ever fixed a car that the previous owner's completely assfucked, then you'll know it takes more money to fix it, than it ever would if it was properly maintained. I'm assuming that's a bit of what we're seeing here, combined with the aftereffects of the financial crisis.

[Lorren Canada]

True, but there comes a point at which you have to stop blaming your predecessors and own up for your own mistakes. Also, I'd also remind people that our federal budget is being consumed by SS, Medicare and Medicade - and things like the wars and other wasteful spending are only in a drop in the bucket by comparison - those programs have been in place for years and their consumption of the federal budget has been forseen for years. Bush tried to fix it in fact, but got shut down.

[pinoyzzz]

If you've ever fixed a car that the previous owner's completely assfucked, then you'll know it takes more money to fix it, than it ever would if it was properly maintained. I'm assuming that's a bit of what we're seeing here, combined with the aftereffects of the financial crisis.

Except that your (and Fix Lag's) premise is wrong. Obama has spent less than Bush (it's not even close). Moreover, Obama's stimulus was insufficiently big by about a factor of two or three.

Arguing about politics in a random spaceguild thread on an internet spaceship forum is a pretty stupid idea though, so I'm done.

[MpozoY]

If you've ever fixed a car that the previous owner's completely assfucked, then you'll know it takes more money to fix it, than it ever would if it was properly maintained. I'm assuming that's a bit of what we're seeing here, combined with the aftereffects of the financial crisis.

The only way this car analogy works is if Obama is 'fixing' the car by ignoring the seized brakes and clogged carb and has instead chosen to sawsall the roof off and break the suspension for demon camber

[Adri]

...Also, I'd also remind people that our federal budget is being consumed by SS, Medicare and Medicade - and things like the wars and other wasteful spending are only in a drop in the bucket by comparison - those programs have been in place for years and their consumption of the federal budget has been forseen for years. Bush tried to fix it in fact, but got shut down.

true this

Currently around 20% of our national income is transfer payments - government pensions and welfare, in addition to the items Lorren mentioned. And as us baby boomers retire that percentage is only going to grow.

[Kevin]

Clearly the best way to fix this growing problem is to close your hospitals to people without platinum credit cards and a solid line of credit at the bank.

Oh wait you've already done that.

[Fix Lag]

Someone told me that I was wrong about more money being spent by the Obama administration than by the Bush administration. This is not something that is a debatable matter of opinion; it is quite verifiable. So, here's a handy-dandy spreadsheet from the CBO in a semi-usable format detailing expenditures. Of most importance are the revenues and outlays columns.

Table F-1.
Revenues, Outlays, Deficits, Surpluses, and Debt Held by the Public Since 1972
					Deficit (-) or Surplus
							Social		Postal				Debt Held by the
	Revenues		Outlays		On-Budget		Security		Service		Total		Publica
	In Billions of Dollars
1972	207.3		230.7		-26.1		3.1		-0.4		-23.4		322.4
1973	230.8		245.7		-15.2		0.5		-0.2		-14.9		340.9
1974	263.2		269.4		-7.2		1.8		-0.8		-6.1		343.7
1975	279.1		332.3		-54.1		2.0		-1.1		-53.2		394.7
1976	298.1		371.8		-69.4		-3.2		-1.1		-73.7		477.4
1977	355.6		409.2		-49.9		-3.9		0.2		-53.7		549.1
1978	399.6		458.7		-55.4		-4.3		0.5		-59.2		607.1
1979	463.3		504.0		-39.6		-2.0		0.9		-40.7		640.3
1980	517.1		590.9		-73.1		-1.1		0.4		-73.8		711.9
1981	599.3		678.2		-73.9		-5.0		-0.1		-79.0		789.4
1982	617.8		745.7		-120.6		-7.9		0.6		-128.0		924.6
1983	600.6		808.4		-207.7		0.2		-0.3		-207.8		1,137.3
1984	666.4		851.8		-185.3		0.3		-0.4		-185.4		1,307.0
1985	734.0		946.3		-221.5		9.4		-0.1		-212.3		1,507.3
1986	769.2		990.4		-237.9		16.7		0.0		-221.2		1,740.6
1987	854.3		1,004.0		-168.4		19.6		-0.9		-149.7		1,889.8
1988	909.2		1,064.4		-192.3		38.8		-1.7		-155.2		2,051.6
1989	991.1		1,143.7		-205.4		52.4		0.3		-152.6		2,190.7
1990	1,032.0		1,253.0		-277.6		58.2		-1.6		-221.0		2,411.6
1991	1,055.0		1,324.2		-321.4		53.5		-1.3		-269.2		2,689.0
1992	1,091.2		1,381.5		-340.4		50.7		-0.7		-290.3		2,999.7
1993	1,154.3		1,409.4		-300.4		46.8		-1.4		-255.1		3,248.4
1994	1,258.6		1,461.8		-258.8		56.8		-1.1		-203.2		3,433.1
1995	1,351.8		1,515.7		-226.4		60.4		2.0		-164.0		3,604.4
1996	1,453.1		1,560.5		-174.0		66.4		0.2		-107.4		3,734.1
1997	1,579.2		1,601.1		-103.2		81.3		0.0		-21.9		3,772.3
1998	1,721.7		1,652.5		-29.9		99.4		-0.2		69.3		3,721.1
1999	1,827.5		1,701.8		1.9		124.7		-1.0		125.6		3,632.4
2000	2,025.2		1,789.0		86.4		151.8		-2.0		236.2		3,409.8
2001	1,991.1		1,862.8		-32.4		163.0		-2.3		128.2		3,319.6
2002	1,853.1		2,010.9		-317.4		159.0		0.7		-157.8		3,540.4
2003	1,782.3		2,159.9		-538.4		155.6		5.2		-377.6		3,913.4
2004	1,880.1		2,292.8		-568.0		151.1		4.1		-412.7		4,295.5
2005	2,153.6		2,472.0		-493.6		173.5		1.8		-318.3		4,592.2
2006	2,406.9		2,655.1		-434.5		185.2		1.1		-248.2		4,829.0
2007	2,568.0		2,728.7		-342.2		186.5		-5.1		-160.7		5,035.1
2008	2,524.0		2,982.5		-641.8		185.7		-2.4		-458.6		5,803.1
2009	2,105.0		3,517.7		-1,549.7		137.3		-0.3		-1,412.7		7,544.7
2010	2,162.7		3,456.2		-1,370.5		81.7		-4.7		-1,293.5		9,018.9
2011	2,302.5		3,598.1		-1,362.8		68.0		-0.8		-1,295.6		10,127.6
					Deficit (-) or Surplus
							Social		Postal				Debt Held by the
	Revenues		Outlays		On-Budget		Security		Service		Total		Publica
	As a Percentage of Gross Domestic Product
1972	17.6		19.6		-2.2		0.3		0.0		-2.0		27.4
1973	17.6		18.7		-1.2		0.0		0.0		-1.1		26.0
1974	18.3		18.7		-0.5		0.1		-0.1		-0.4		23.9
1975	17.9		21.3		-3.5		0.1		-0.1		-3.4		25.3
1976	17.1		21.4		-4.0		-0.2		-0.1		-4.2		27.5
1977	18.0		20.7		-2.5		-0.2		0.0		-2.7		27.8
1978	18.0		20.7		-2.5		-0.2		0.0		-2.7		27.4
1979	18.5		20.2		-1.6		-0.1		0.0		-1.6		25.6
1980	19.0		21.7		-2.7		0.0		0.0		-2.7		26.1
1981	19.6		22.2		-2.4		-0.2		0.0		-2.6		25.8
1982	19.2		23.1		-3.7		-0.2		0.0		-4.0		28.7
1983	17.5		23.5		-6.0		0.0		0.0		-6.0		33.1
1984	17.3		22.2		-4.8		0.0		0.0		-4.8		34.0
1985	17.7		22.8		-5.3		0.2		0.0		-5.1		36.4
1986	17.5		22.5		-5.4		0.4		0.0		-5.0		39.5
1987	18.4		21.6		-3.6		0.4		0.0		-3.2		40.6
1988	18.2		21.3		-3.8		0.8		0.0		-3.1		41.0
1989	18.4		21.2		-3.8		1.0		0.0		-2.8		40.6
1990	18.0		21.9		-4.8		1.0		0.0		-3.9		42.1
1991	17.8		22.3		-5.4		0.9		0.0		-4.5		45.3
1992	17.5		22.1		-5.5		0.8		0.0		-4.7		48.1
1993	17.5		21.4		-4.6		0.7		0.0		-3.9		49.3
1994	18.0		21.0		-3.7		0.8		0.0		-2.9		49.2
1995	18.4		20.6		-3.1		0.8		0.0		-2.2		49.1
1996	18.8		20.2		-2.3		0.9		0.0		-1.4		48.4
1997	19.2		19.5		-1.3		1.0		0.0		-0.3		45.9
1998	19.9		19.1		-0.3		1.1		0.0		0.8		43.0
1999	19.8		18.5		0.0		1.4		0.0		1.4		39.4
2000	20.6		18.2		0.9		1.5		0.0		2.4		34.7
2001	19.5		18.2		-0.3		1.6		0.0		1.3		32.5
2002	17.6		19.1		-3.0		1.5		0.0		-1.5		33.6
2003	16.2		19.7		-4.9		1.4		0.0		-3.4		35.6
2004	16.1		19.6		-4.9		1.3		0.0		-3.5		36.8
2005	17.3		19.9		-4.0		1.4		0.0		-2.6		36.9
2006	18.2		20.1		-3.3		1.4		0.0		-1.9		36.6
2007	18.5		19.7		-2.5		1.3		0.0		-1.2		36.3
2008	17.6		20.8		-4.5		1.3		0.0		-3.2		40.5
2009	15.1		25.2		-11.1		1.0		0.0		-10.1		54.1
2010	15.1		24.1		-9.5		0.6		0.0		-9.0		62.8
2011	15.4		24.1		-9.1		0.5		0.0		-8.7		67.7
Sources: Congressional Budget Office; Office of Management and Budget.

[spoiler=Bush deficit spending]2.0057 trillion dollars over 8 years, or 250.7 billion dollars per year average[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Obama deficit spending]4.3508 trillion dollars over 3.333 years, or 1.305 trillion dollars per year average[/spoiler]
[spoiler=suck my dick]Pinoyzzz[/spoiler]

[Fix Lag]

This is getting too serious-business and not enough internet-spaceships oriented. Let's talk about Niggerswarm Federation some more.

[pinoyzzz]

Ok, since you're retarded and decided to call me out, I'll post again.

First of all, 2009 is Bush's budget which you seem to think is Obama's. A large portion of the deficit is caused by the two Bush tax cuts, which Obama wanted repealed day 1 -- and things like unemployment benefits, social services are in higher demand due to the recession. A more careful analysis shows Bush added 5 trillion to the deficit and Obama about 1 trillion: http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...7fQ_print.html

The most ironic thing about all of this that Mitt Romney's (even Ron Paul's) plans give higher deficits than Obama in the future: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/201...iscal-phonies/

[Prodnovick]

I don't care about politics but deficit spending during a economic recession is normal, during an economic boom it is not. Obama took over during a recession, Bush after a period of economic growth. This should put things in perspective.

[Berious]

WHERES THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE MR HUSSAIN?

[MpozoY]

Goonswarm Federation: An Unending Fount Of Republizard Threads

[Fix Lag]

Guess who made the 2009 budget: Not Bush, and not Obama.

Yes, that's right, it was

the people that won the majority in congress in 2006.

Actually it was gay niggers from outer space. Or the Congressional Budget Office. One of the two.

[Iratus]

Fuckin gringos, man.

[Fix Lag]

Fuckin gringos, man.

I might as well start selling cocaine for a living; I'll probably be better off than getting a legitimate job with a business degree from a decent university.

[Saracen]

I'm pleasently suprised how mature and factual this political discussion has been from reading it, considering this is kugu/eve, I rarely expect to learn anything.

Hmmm maybe i shouldn't have said anything, might have jinxed it.

[Matos]

I might as well start selling cocaine for a living; I'll probably be better off than getting a legitimate job with a business degree from a decent university.

Depends how you value the risk of getting caught/killed by some crazy customer

[Kanloch]

Or your competition.

[Fix Lag]

This is what expendable minions are for, guys, jeeze

[Agathor]

This is what expendable minions are for, guys, jeeze

He is growing up soo fast

[Kovacs]

I might as well start selling cocaine for a living; I'll probably be better off than getting a legitimate job with a business degree from a decent university.

Don't go down that road.

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[Matos]

Cocaine isn't the most profitable Drug to sell anyway.

Just sell flour to stupid kids and claim its Cocain

[Fix Lag]

Cocaine isn't the most profitable Drug to sell anyway.

Just sell flour to stupid kids and claim its Cocain

It's a bad sign I know exactly what you're referring to.

[syndic thrass]

Except that your (and Fix Lag's)Arguing about politics in a random spaceguild thread on an internet spaceship forum is a pretty stupid idea though, so I'm done.

Ok, since you're retarded and decided to call me out, I'll post again.

That makes you a fucking hypocriticizer too

[Iratus]

Cocaine isn't the most profitable Drug to sell anyway.

Just sell flour to stupid kids and claim its Cocain

Sodium Citrate + flour = great sham cocaine to sell to stupid kids.

[Marivauder]

Cocaine isn't the most profitable Drug to sell anyway.

Just sell flour to stupid kids and claim its Cocain

That's almost as cool as having them candy sticks which kids had to act like they are smoking

They taste nice as well.. Not the kids, the sticks

[Venetian Tar]

They taste nice as well.. Not the kids, the sticks

Bullshit. You like the kids just as much.

[Hilmar Keller]

Do you like kid sticks?

Do you like kid sticks in your mouth?

[Endie]

Our US TZ pulls back a little in the race for 3l1t3 peeveepee status:
http://kb.batcountry-eve.org/index.p...related/31816/


The Widow warping in at zero after he reshipped was a nice touch. The dude was clearly annoyed as hell. "OK YOU ASKED FOR IT I'M NOT ABOUT GOOD FIGHTS HERE IS THE WIDOW"


You see it is called a "Widow" because it was married to his first ship :V

"Most retarded fight ive ever been in" - Halosponge, FC

Ninja edit: Note that the falcon was not an aw0xer nor (intentionally) with us, he just ended up on our side of the BR.

[gr ant]

Ok, since you're retarded and decided to call me out, I'll post again.

First of all, 2009 is Bush's budget which you seem to think is Obama's. A large portion of the deficit is caused by the two Bush tax cuts, which Obama wanted repealed day 1 -- and things like unemployment benefits, social services are in higher demand due to the recession. A more careful analysis shows Bush added 5 trillion to the deficit and Obama about 1 trillion: http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...7fQ_print.html

The most ironic thing about all of this that Mitt Romney's (even Ron Paul's) plans give higher deficits than Obama in the future: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/201...iscal-phonies/

When you are trying to make a point, linking NEWS articles and a BLOG from biased companies isn't strengthening your argument. And the idea that Ron Pual will run a bigger deficit is a lie. He wants to cut 1 trillion dollars from the budget in the first year he is in office and wants to remove all of our military bases around the world. Now how could ending a war..closing down international military bases and cutting 1 trillion from the budget increase our debt?

[Combat Scrub]

When you are trying to make a point, linking NEWS articles and a BLOG from biased companies isn't strengthening your argument. And the idea that Ron Pual will run a bigger deficit is a lie. He wants to cut 1 trillion dollars from the budget in the first year he is in office and wants to remove all of our military bases around the world. Now how could ending a war..closing down international military bases and cutting 1 trillion from the budget increase our debt?

Um, on a tangent here, where are all the employees and military personnel from those bases supposed to go? Because if he's pretending that by closing those bases he won't have to pay all the folks who work there, I have bad news – it's called contracts, which the U.S. Government/Military and their soldiers/personnel have for specified durations. Closing those bases will certainly save the rent, which is probably less than the salary of a single person on staff at the base...

[UnknownPoster]

Our US TZ pulls back a little in the race for 3l1t3 peeveepee status:
http://kb.batcountry-eve.org/index.p...related/31816/


The Widow warping in at zero after he reshipped was a nice touch. The dude was clearly annoyed as hell. "OK YOU ASKED FOR IT I'M NOT ABOUT GOOD FIGHTS HERE IS THE WIDOW"


You see it is called a "Widow" because it was married to his first ship :V

"Most retarded fight ive ever been in" - Halosponge, FC

Ninja edit: Note that the falcon was not an aw0xer nor (intentionally) with us, he just ended up on our side of the BR.

I'd like to point out, to those interested, to look at the fits of their ships, among them a Falcon with a small local armor rep, and what we have come to call "The Nanno Widow".

[DailyDozo]

Um, on a tangent here, where are all the employees and military personnel from those bases supposed to go? Because if he's pretending that by closing those bases he won't have to pay all the folks who work there, I have bad news – it's called contracts, which the U.S. Government/Military and their soldiers/personnel have for specified durations. Closing those bases will certainly save the rent, which is probably less than the salary of a single person on staff at the base...

You are kidding right?

What we pay the soldiers is a pittance compared to the logistics of running the bases and flying around billions of dollars of equipment.

[Kazanir]

Ok, since you're retarded and decided to call me out, I'll post again.

First of all, 2009 is Bush's budget which you seem to think is Obama's. A large portion of the deficit is caused by the two Bush tax cuts, which Obama wanted repealed day 1 -- and things like unemployment benefits, social services are in higher demand due to the recession. A more careful analysis shows Bush added 5 trillion to the deficit and Obama about 1 trillion: http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...7fQ_print.html

The most ironic thing about all of this that Mitt Romney's (even Ron Paul's) plans give higher deficits than Obama in the future: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/201...iscal-phonies/

Preach it my brother. Next can we talk about how Obama also fixed all the deliberate accounting errors that Bush used to hide the cost of the Iraq war from the yearly deficit reporting? That should be good.

[MpozoY]

Responding to non-partisan data CBO data with links to Ezra Klein, former Howard Dean employee, founder of the Journolist and source of the quote that that the Constitution is "confusing, because it was written over a hundred years ago" is a pretty big shibboleth that a person's not really worth talking to, and linking Krugman on top of that is just the icing on the cake

[Malcanis]

Responding to non-partisan data CBO data with links to Ezra Klein, former Howard Dean employee, founder of the Journolist and source of the quote that that the Constitution is "confusing, because it was written over a hundred years ago" is a pretty big shibboleth that a person's not really worth talking to, and linking Krugman on top of that is just the icing on the cake

Bravo, good sir! A textbook example of ad-hominem.

[Hilmar Keller]

Yeah, p.much. I'm not going to hate on strudel just because Hitler liked it too.

[Endie]

Au contraire, that's one of the reasons I love me a good strudel.

[Some Market Dude]

Bravo, good sir! A textbook example of ad-hominem.

That's not an adhominem. He's attacking the credibility of a supposed expert relevant to the subject expertise, particularly relative to a competing suggested expert source.

It's only a "textbook" adhominem insofar as people throw the term around as a clumsy defense because they read about it in a sophomoric textbook and it sounded cool and authoritative.

[Night]

Bravo, good sir! A textbook example of ad-hominem.

Ad hom is attacking you.

He's attacking your sources.

Learn the difference.

[Yue]

Ad hom is attacking you.

He's attacking your sources.

Learn the difference.

Before you get out the pitchforks, "is a pretty big shibboleth that a person's not really worth talking to" is attacking the source and the man.

[Night]

Before you get out the pitchforks, "is a pretty big shibboleth that a person's not really worth talking to" is attacking the source and the man.

I'd say it's pretty much the opposite, it's a statement that if this is your best citation then meaningful discussions cannot be held with you.

[Yue]

You can call a source bad without calling someone an idiot for using it.

[Blawrf]

but he is an idiot for using it.

[Some Market Dude]

Your argument is wrong because you're an idiot<-ad hominem

You're an idiot because your argument is wrong<-not an ad hominem (just not very nice abloobloobloo)