Red Heat: A Game of Russian Roulette

[Propagandas]

It's a pity that PL and NC are helping XIX RA knowing that those alliances does not belong on the arena, everyone knows that RA and XIX even 2x1 will not be able to win against SF... We made our history at this point, morale is high enough even to be pushed out to low sec and regroup (that's the most superior thing I like about SF)
By the way that was a bad move to drop titans so fast to C-J6 , we could have a good fight on the last timer before u drop the supers (and we wanted that - we knew that you gonna drop them anyway, but before that we wanted to have a GF, which we didn't get).
With all the respect I hope we will have more Good fights. "SF don't talk, SF jumps" -

You do know we actually didnt drop supers untill the 240 AAA/ROL/ENGRE fleet ran away right? Which is why the supers wasnt actually dropped in C-J, but 1j out, the system AAA was trying to run from.
There would have been no fight, unless SOLAR would have fought 600 duders alone without AAA support which we honestly both know woudlnt have happend.

C-J is RA HQ system, station is even called RA Prime, noody can be suprised that people blobbed to save it.

I don't understand how people can put nulli under -a- and RA in that list. -a- has as long as I have been fighting them a 1 trick pony. Which involved falling back to stain. waiting till the enemy force breaks up grabbing all their allies and start taking back space and then start doing more things on there own when enemy moral is failing and then claiming how good they are themselves while they only reason they have been able to do what did was due to there allies. I think Nulli has proven themselves to be way more adaptive then -a- and they seem to be way more willing to actually engage then -a- does in unfavorable situations and actually doing decent to good.

Yes team AAA is pretty terrible and Yes they only want to fight scrubs (but we all do want that so v0v)
But what makes you think Nulli is better?
Nulli have done nothing of note, absolutely zero. The only thing they have done is be extremely loud on kugu telling us about how awesome they are. A bit like lolgents i guess.
It will fool the average poster but people who actually play the game will laugh and point at the loudmouths.

Care to list anything Nulli has done?
Besides knowing when to run away (90% of the time), posting really loud and losing a titan to raiden dreads?

[Space cadet]

How can you call the CFC the last coalition left in EVE? Wtf do you call PL/NC./Raiden/Evoke/Test/Innit/ect ect?

[thatsthejoke]

Prop, you're overlooking Nulli in your post. I know it's trendy, but they should still get a mention just to avoid another progod shitpoast.

edit: I guess it was intentional. mea culpa.

[thatsthejoke]

Care to list anything Nulli has done?
Besides knowing when to run away (90% of the time), posting really loud and losing a titan to raiden dreads?

I think successfully opposing Freeport Delve was pretty good, along with the geddon raping they were regularly inflicting.

[Gordon Cain]

Since Nulli are deploying north to play this weekend with both goons and rdn I do hope they bring those Navy geddons again.

Maybe we should have a weekend break with goonies and give them a nice northern welcome.

[Mr Coloredshirt]

Care to list anything Nulli has done?
Besides knowing when to run away (90% of the time), posting really loud and losing a titan to raiden dreads?

Here's what nulli thinks nulli has done

*self-distance (not sure thats actually an english word)

so am i getting this right.. we are chestbeating cause we kicked out a pet alliance living in one of the least attractive regions due to logistics, while thier overlords are busy in another part of eve?

Even if it was a hell of an accomplishment to all logistics and FC:s involved KUDOS to that, I think we need to take a step back and realize we havnt actually fought a propper enemy yet so we dont know how we will preform against a "propper" enemy?

I think we should give these guys some credit they actually fought and defended thier space and put up some good fights considering thier level of experience.

Nyack what is with this sportsmanship! In eve, you grind the enemy into the ground and then post on Kugu about it! Get with the program

It's more that we're laughing at their desperate internal attempts to pretend that they are relevant, competent, or worthwhile. They are not any of these things, and the savage lead-piping we handed out to them with such contemptuous ease is all the more proof of that.

As for"we haven't actually fought a proper enemy yet"...we've browbeaten TEST, Morsus Mihi, and Br1ck Squad on multiple occasions. We've smacked the shit out of RA. We've run desperate skirmishes against Goon fleets several times our number. So yes, yes we have fought proper foes.

also we flung drake fleets into PL abbadons

And Raiden stand-offs ?

It's more that we're laughing at their desperate internal attempts to pretend that they are relevant, competent, or worthwhile.

Everyone does this

Yes, but the difference is we pro, bro.

yeah we fought some good enemies but as far as i remember this is the first real war we have been the aggressors and the main ally leading ops, logistics, fc on our own. Great achievement for sure and awesome fun but after all its just a pet we stomped on. i would really see how we would perform against a major alliance with cap warfare etc.

i dont want to piss on anyone parade cause its a huge achievement but as i see it this was just a good practice and stepping stone towards something bigger =)

[thatsthejoke]

nyack is obviously a PL spy.

[Berdennol]

Words

As a nulli poster I have to say at least part of prop's assessment is fair and just:

Correct:

- Nulli really hasn't done anything of note, at least not against alliances of note. Holding of the already defeated husk of old NC doesn't count.

- We benefit from living in the ass-end of space and as such haven't been forced into no hold barred defensive wars for our period basis homeland.
Would we do good in such a fight? I have my doubts, but it'll definitely be interesting.

- Some people in nulli make way to grandiose assessments of what we are capable of. Hubris.

- Are we better than -A-? No.


Bit more murky:

- Do people rate us high because of our vocal posters? Doubt it, the only good posters we have are Progod and Warband, who write decent BR's. The others have low postcounts and stay out of any thread no related directly to us.

- While I don't rate us high on alliance scale, I do think we have a few decent to good FC's.

- I would however rate us higher than IRC and RA especially if the recently posted sound recording turns out to be real.


However I do note that PROPAGANDAS no longer calls us pets. For this we should be eternally grateful.

[Propagandas]

RA gets 200 man bs fleets in their prime time CTAs and can get 10+ titans in fleet. Titans they use against competent people.
RA invaded NC, they fight SOLAR/AAA every day.


Keep thinking nulli is better then RA, for all means v0v

[Mr Coloredshirt]

Well with the bar being set at "reinforcing RA tech moons with bombers" and "ganking irc", I guess we'll never know.

[Berdennol]

Well with the bar being set at "reinforcing RA tech moons with bombers" and "ganking irc", I guess we'll never know.

Our plan to jump over IRC on the alliance rating ladder, get with the program man.

[Y SO MAD [banned]]

Post a proper english translation word for word and bath in rep shower.

I feel like such a whore. Here it goes:

DODGER: The main point, and I think that's what I'll begin with, is that I'm resigning as CEO of Red Alliance, and now I'll tell you why.

At first, I wanted to tell you the whole story of what why and how, but let's just go over the main points.

I joined Red Alliance when no one was really in power, just after Fireknight stopped logging in and leading fleets and Razdalbay wanted to sell RA, or at least I think so. Anyway, this was when the alliance had no leadership, and I already loved it back then, I felt part of it.

The only reason I logged in then was to lead it, well not lead it, but play in it.

I then became the CEO, and in truth I became CEO because of MACTEP. If you remember, we didn't have any allies back then and the situation with UAxDEATH wasn't clear. I then went to talk to MACTEP, and he said, roughly speaking - "I won't deal with Fireknight, so why don't you become CEO".

I said OK, and well, you know the rest of the story.

My vision for the alliance was the creation of an independent, influential and powerful alliance. It was evident in my territorial claims, in the number of supers, and roughly speaking, skill.

That vision became a reality towards the end of 2010. That's my personal opinion.

Ignoring all the drama, the rumours and KB's - some may have positive memories - some may have negative memories. What the alliance achieved in the political sphere, and the military sphere - I consider a respectable result.

Looking back, I think I got the alliance to the level I wanted it to be at.

To repeat - what I am talking about is the period up to last winter. What happened since - well I'll go over that now.

I'll be honest - towards the end of the war against NC, I had absolutely nothing left to do in the game. When you become the CEO of your own alliance - you sense of self-importance goes through the roof. Whatever anyone says about that - it happens to everyone.

Eventually, Psixozz took all responsibilities on to himself. And when you give him your members, and declare that only one person will be in charge, and that is Psixozz - you lose all will to play, to command.

TARD 1: Did you get upset?

DODGER: No, no, I didn't get upset. Take my word literally, I didn't get upset - I just lost all will to play, and began to stop logging in.

About the same time, my mother began to have health problems, and that is when I joined the ranks of RMT'ers - and sold my first Titan. It was the Ragnarok that you all remeber.

TARD 2: You do realize people are recording this?

DODGER: Yes, I know, I know.

TARD 3,4,5,6,7,: asdmoqwimeofmomf

DODGER: I don't care. Guys, I told you I will tell you everything as it is,

TARD 2: Stop interrupting him. He obviously has a lot of thoughts - don't interrupt him.

DODGER: I just want you to understand what motivated me.

Towards summer - I told you all I was going on vacation and would come back in a few months - and that didn't happen.

I went to work for the Samara local government. I lasted just 3 months. And that was when everything changed. It happened about the same time as the conflict with NC.

Basically, real life finances became troubling due to debt - I bought a car on credit.

Obviously, I thought I would be making a lot of money - but when I went to work I understood that you have to work 20 years before you decide anything. It's a system where you are considered shit - and all your skills and knowledge don't matter. It's a job where you just have to obey - which my personality didn't allow me to do. This is why after 3 months I quit with my head held high.

But I was still in a lot of debt. This is when I luckily, well luckily in brackets, ran into a group of people who are professional RMT'ers. They offered to work with me, and exchange ISK for real life cash. That's how it all began.

Over the course of about 3 months, I began to take cash from the corp wallet, my wallet, from gifts - whoever knew helped as they could. What happened then was that the ISK exchange rate collapsed - meaning more ISK for less money. Eventually in January I took 60 billion ISK, and I think if I hadn't done that things in the alliance would have been much better right now.

Concurrently, I began to notice that I couldn't lead fleets anymore. I didn't know what to do - what to tell people. My skill as a pilot fell to 0 because I hadn't played since the war against NC. And obviously I couldn't demand anything of anyone.

Many of you remember my CTA's against SOLAR, when I welped a couple of fleets and stopped logging in. I was actually ill but after that I just didn't want to come back.

My exit now is because I still care about RA, but I understand that I've done bad and will do bad for the alliance.

TARD 3: So THATS who fucked up the price of ISK (this cracked me up)

DODGER: This is why I'm giving up my responsibilities, while things can still be fixed.

I won't say that I didn't have support - I had it difficult but no one knew.

I want the next CEO of RA, at least for now, to be Lenton, as I believe he's a competent person. His personality is very different to mine 0 he's much calmer and unemotional, but he'll make a great leader.

So before your questions, I just want to wish you luck. I don't know what'll happen to me, but I'll leave my characters in the Alliance - if you let me.

I'll now focus on sorting out my problems in real life, which is why I won't be of any help to the alliance right now.

That's it.

TARD 3: Can we ask questions in the channel?

DODGER: Yes.

TARD 3: Dodger don't you think you're betraying the alliance?

DODGER: No, not really. Actually, you're probably right - but there's nothing I can do for the alliance. Things won't get better if I say.

TARD 3: Dodger I know who you are. I know how you led gangs and fleets. But to dump the alliance during a war, on the brink of failure. You got the alliance where you wanted, and respect to you for that my dear brother. But you're leaving the alliance on during a war, on the brink of failure. And that seems like betrayal to me, no?

TARD 4: What do you say?

TARD 5: I don't agree

Tard 6: Guys, we talked for a long time. Dodger isn't leaving the alliance, he's keeping his characters in. He's just officially doing what everyone expected.

TARD 3: But now? At this time?

TARD 4: Dodger isn't quitting, he's just handing control to someone who logs in.

TARD 5: Nothing changes.

TARD 3: RA and Dodger are one whole.

TARD 4: No, that's a different RA.

TARD 7: Can I have a word please? The situation is that it was predictable. There is a minus - that Dodger led RA. No one else has the talent.

TARD 3: Dodger just needs a break, maybe the lack of responsibility will let him lead fleets again.

TARD 2: Let me have a word about betrayal. I don't know if this is it, but it would have been more of a betrayal to stay in power without doing anything or offering anything to you - and leaving you with hopes of something that won't happen. His only fault is that he didn't do this earlier, when the alliance was stronger.

TARD 4: Maer, can't you see that were losing? We're losing, we fucked up.

TARD 5: Well if you stop saying we're losing, we would stop losing so much.

TARD 2,3,4,6,7,8,9...: I agree.

TARD 6: Him telling all of this to us is a very respectable thing. People always have problems in real life.

TARD 4: None of us know how much trouble he had in real life. He's just 26, he spent 4 years on EVE. Many of us spent that period creating something.

TARD 5: Why are you telling me what life is? I know it. I don't care about his RMT, we can all give him money. But why leave now? Why betray the alliance?

TARD 6: The alliance has survived without him for a year, what'll change? Nothing.

TARD 8: He's a symbol. Not an FC, just a symbol of the alliance. He's a status symbol, a political icon. I don't see who can replace him and talk to all the pluses and minuses.

TARD 3: No you're wrong. We only lose the symbol, that's it.

TARD 6: Dodger is saying he can't speak now, he'll be back in a bit. He can't talk at the moment.

TARD 9: Skotenok, can you repeat, will he lead fleets again?

TARD 4: He can't, he isn't capable of leading fleets any more. We agreed he will give up his roles, and maybe he'll come back as he was, without pressure. Maybe he'll see EVE as it was for him two years ago before becoming CEO.

TARD 9: So he'll try to return?

TARD 4: Yes, if he can. It's like what happens to us, we log in and we have a shitload of messages, roles, responsibilities. It's a job. Maybe he'll be able to get fun out of the game again.

TARD 5: So you admit you're incompetent?

TARD 4: No I didn't say that.

THE END.

[Mr Coloredshirt]

Our plan to jump over IRC on the alliance rating ladder, get with the program man.

should've known progods "because they betrayed Solar, in a most unhonourable way, and nothing offends us more than lack of space honor." was just fiction >: (

[Someone Else]

I think -A- is pretty good, the only reason people still think they're shit is because they carry around about 70% inactive membership that bloats the numbers. For the *active* part of the alliance -- they are decent, thou their FCs have tendency to panic and fly into walls for some unknown reason.

I think this is partly because they've fought nothing but cannonfodder for the longest time and got scared (instead of fighting and adapting) when they ran into something else.

edit: and PL is somewhere in the mid-tier, thou I'd maybe rate us a bit above it because when we run into something better -- we learn and adapt (for example see: Darkside)

Going back to the welp the other day, we were going to die one way or the other. I agree though that we have been known to fly into walls and just hit it head on- the result is not a pretty sight.

But the other day was different, and correct me if I'm wrong (I've been playing BF3 nonstop for weeks instead) but our fleet was caught in a pincer. On one hand there was a significant fleet that had the composure to do significant damage against the tengus, and on the other side you had a titan fleet ready to counter them if they jumped through. That leads to three options- hole up in a POS and just wait, engage the massive fleet and take a tremendous amount of damage, or bail through the gate, take some losses, but burn through and regroup.

Using the claim that "we had the titans to keep them from running" is futile at best. The tengu fleet has been destroying RA/CC/pets for weeks now and it would be borderline retarded to pass up a chance to hit -A- with a huge blow.

It's much wiser to withdraw than to stick around and fight a battle you cannot win. The problem is that you say -A- cannot adapt, but the problem is that there is no counter. Sure, you could drop 20 tracking titans with SC support, and -A- counters with the same number set up for anti-cap to try to take out the titans. Then you have a what, 300+ fleet one jump away and another capital fleet within 1-2 jumps? The thing is that any counter at that point would only inflict more losses for -A-. Knowing when the battle is lost is just as important than performing spaceship seppuku.

-A- doesn't beat up on cannon fodder. Those are average alliances. NC/PL/Raiden/Solar/-A-/RA are all in another tier of fighting. Through years of alliance and colition consolidation it's almost like there is a class system. Controlled Chaos is not a terrible alliance. Nulli is a damn good one also. As are Test, Goons, IRC, and others. Think of it like college football in the states- You have Div I, with all the big-name universities that make it through the championship.. in fact if those teams lose more than once per season they are considered shit. Then you have Div II. There are a ton more of those teams, they win and lose but it is the majority of collegiate football. Every now and then a Div II team can upset and defeat a Div I team. It happens, and it's glorious when it does.

That being said, -A- doesn't adapt too well, not for a lack of trying. Since I've been in them we've gone from geddons to maels/pests and now to tengus. What defines a good PvP force though is not just the ability to adapt but to innovate as well.

Honestly I miss the days of mixed BS fleets, where logi didn't really exist. It wasn't about numbers, it wasn't about comparing DPS, or maxing out a specific tactic. Just grab some BSs and smack into each other. Chaotic, but still fun.

[Berdennol]

should've known progods "because they betrayed Solar, in a most unhonourable way, and nothing offends us more than lack of space honor." was just fiction >: (

Of course it is. Probably a remnant of the time when he had everyone in the alliance roleplay Amarr loyalists. To steal CVA's shtick and piss them off a little.

[SunBurnedFrog]

Says the guy with a puppy as his avatar

ITS A SEAL DUH!!!! or a mouse in a sock but either way your a fucking idiot

[Propagandas]

THE END.

Thx alot.

Am i to understand it that he claims that him selling 60b isk on RMT fucked the prices, or is it because RMT became more and more common?

I literally knows fuck all about RMT, and im pretty sure horus sperging about XIX making 20t (!) a month is totall bullshit but v0v

[Someone Else]

You do know we actually didnt drop supers untill the 240 AAA/ROL/ENGRE fleet ran away right? Which is why the supers wasnt actually dropped in C-J, but 1j out, the system AAA was trying to run from.
There would have been no fight, unless SOLAR would have fought 600 duders alone without AAA support which we honestly both know woudlnt have happend.

So, let me understand this.


You had supers on standby.

If -A- and co engaged the fleet and won you would not have dropped them? Right.
If -A- and co engaged at all, you would not have dropped them? Right.

You have to be a complete idiot to pass up a chance to destroy over 100 Tengus, even if it involved admitting that there was no "honorable roadblock" in place.

[thatsthejoke]

Thx alot.

Am i to understand it that he claims that him selling 60b isk on RMT fucked the prices, or is it because RMT became more and more common?

I literally knows fuck all about RMT, and im pretty sure horus sperging about XIX making 20t (!) a month is totall bullshit but v0v

I read that as he had to steal more and more isk to equal the same RL cash. i.e. the isk wasn't worth as much because of oversupply.

[thiscall]

snip

i think you mixed those tards' numbers, but otherwise pretty accurate, +rep.

[Y SO MAD [banned]]

Thx alot.

Am i to understand it that he claims that him selling 60b isk on RMT fucked the prices, or is it because RMT became more and more common?

I literally knows fuck all about RMT, and im pretty sure horus sperging about XIX making 20t (!) a month is totall bullshit but v0v

60b was just the last straw. He apparently sold shitloads of supers (backups) - as well as alliance isk for a year.

As for XIX - their renter income alone dwarfs RA tenfold. But 20t a month is fucking stupid - characteristic of Horus.

[Ymir]

Thx alot.

Am i to understand it that he claims that him selling 60b isk on RMT fucked the prices, or is it because RMT became more and more common?

I literally knows fuck all about RMT, and im pretty sure horus sperging about XIX making 20t (!) a month is totall bullshit but v0v

I understood it as the 60b was the last ISK he took to RMT :P

[Grath]

So, let me understand this.


You had supers on standby.

If -A- and co engaged the fleet and won you would not have dropped them? Right.
If -A- and co engaged at all, you would not have dropped them? Right.

You have to be a complete idiot to pass up a chance to destroy over 100 Tengus, even if it involved admitting that there was no "honorable roadblock" in place.

You mean like the huge fight that happened in branch a short while later with 3 of the largest supercap groups in EVE duking it out with Goons and none of us dropping supers on them because the fight was fun?

Amazingly, they even saved the tower, and it would have been a fairly simple matter to drop 60 turrent titans on it to either kill it or stuff it back into RF mode, but that didn't happen, because the fight itself was fun.


There's even past history of a fight about a month ago where AAA showed up, and fought, and we didn't drop titans, we just duked it out (and lost 13 tengus in the fight), so its not like we're just making shit up.

In the end you can believe whatever you want (or more specifically the bullshit your leaders are feeding you) but the evidence is all around you, all you need to do is look at it and think for yourself.

Cowardice and ignorance got your fleet killed. You stood a better chance of sitting on that gate in C-J with Solar and Gypsy bombers supporting you and fighting it out once the titans were reported on the other side of the gate. You could have fought, withdrew to a tower, likely killed a lot, and sat till we left.

Instead, the titans were reported, your fc told you to jump anyway, you did, then he paniced and neglected to call a single target primary, and just let you all die, then rage quit.

The option was stand and fight like vikings, or die like bitches while running away. You can thank your FC for which road you took.

[Razzor]

I have a lot of respect for that dude, he has more balls than vuk ever had. Shit if I had control over billions of an Alliance income in this game I would RMT the shit out of it with no regrets. That is the real meaning of "winning" eve.

[Marivauder]

You mean like the huge fight that happened in branch a short while later with 3 of the largest supercap groups in EVE duking it out with Goons and none of us dropping supers on them because the fight was fun?

Amazingly, they even saved the tower, and it would have been a fairly simple matter to drop 60 turrent titans on it to either kill it or stuff it back into RF mode, but that didn't happen, because the fight itself was fun.

This true, was a pretty amazing fight and once again, the server side lag was next to none, no super caps where involved, was just an all out brawl and warping

Although i was quite amazing when i realized your bc's where sniper fit and hitting at 150km range.

[TheYeti]

Yes team AAA is pretty terrible and Yes they only want to fight scrubs (but we all do want that so v0v)
But what makes you think Nulli is better?
Nulli have done nothing of note, absolutely zero. The only thing they have done is be extremely loud on kugu telling us about how awesome they are. A bit like lolgents i guess.
It will fool the average poster but people who actually play the game will laugh and point at the loudmouths.

Care to list anything Nulli has done?
Besides knowing when to run away (90% of the time), posting really loud and losing a titan to raiden dreads?

Its more from personal experience dealing with those 3. RA while being able to form big fleets atm isn't really in shape atm and I'm not sure if they would be able to project the power they have on there own properly atm. It might clear up in a few months but at the moment I don't think they are able to project that power due to the whole internal thing they have going on.

The thing with -a- is that even when fighting us scrubs they engaged only when they had a advantage and can escalate the fight with allies or supers they just don't unless its almost 100% risk free.

Nulli, while not being a powerhouse as big as -a- actually does try to engage and develop there skills and they have actually been growing as a alliance as a whole while and they actually want to fight and get stuff done. Which I would rate actually as higher then being fat and lazy.

[Someone Else]

You mean like the huge fight that happened in branch a short while later with 3 of the largest supercap groups in EVE duking it out with Goons and none of us dropping supers on them because the fight was fun?

Amazingly, they even saved the tower, and it would have been a fairly simple matter to drop 60 turrent titans on it to either kill it or stuff it back into RF mode, but that didn't happen, because the fight itself was fun.


There's even past history of a fight about a month ago where AAA showed up, and fought, and we didn't drop titans, we just duked it out (and lost 13 tengus in the fight), so its not like we're just making shit up.

In the end you can believe whatever you want (or more specifically the bullshit your leaders are feeding you) but the evidence is all around you, all you need to do is look at it and think for yourself.

Cowardice and ignorance got your fleet killed. You stood a better chance of sitting on that gate in C-J with Solar and Gypsy bombers supporting you and fighting it out once the titans were reported on the other side of the gate. You could have fought, withdrew to a tower, likely killed a lot, and sat till we left.

Instead, the titans were reported, your fc told you to jump anyway, you did, then he paniced and neglected to call a single target primary, and just let you all die, then rage quit.

The option was stand and fight like vikings, or die like bitches while running away. You can thank your FC for which road you took.

My leaders have me, I've called them out on bullshit many times before. I wasn't there for the fight. I am going by past behavior. You pointed out an example where you didn't drop supers, but there are tens of examples where -A- stood and fought, and you dropped supers anyway.

When you flip back and forth between wanting a fight and siezing an opportunity, it's hard for a opposing side to believe you're not going to drop them- in fact wise to assume that you will.

You've used the reasoning before. You want escalation. If the Tengu fleet started to win, you would want to push an escalation to get a bigger fight, as you have stated before.

[Marivauder]

Its more from personal experience dealing with those 3. RA while being able to form big fleets atm isn't really in shape atm and I'm not sure if they would be able to project the power they have on there own properly atm. It might clear up in a few months but at the moment I don't think they are able to project that power due to the whole internal thing they have going on.

The thing with -a- is that even when fighting us scrubs they engaged only when they had a advantage and can escalate the fight with allies or supers they just don't unless its almost 100% risk free.

Nulli, while not being a powerhouse as big as -a- actually does try to engage and develop there skills and they have actually been growing as a alliance as a whole while and they actually want to fight and get stuff done. Which I would rate actually as higher then being fat and lazy.

There is literally no reason to argue with Jogyn

[TheYeti]

I just like to discuss things to much to not pass this chance to discuss with the mighty propagandas.

[Propagandas]

Yea, it sucks when people know more then us and is posting the truth. Lets just scream u lie u lie and ignore it.


line in sand, wn making the north into bot land, we will defend our allies mm to the last straw, own are gonna invading us, wn are gonna invade us, rdn are gonna invade us, ev0ke are gonna invade us derp

@TheYeti

We were in delve at the same time as nulli, you fought us once and then ran away the other 10 times.
We were in the south at the same time, you didnt fight us a single time and cancelled your entire invasion.

My point is nulli is just as scared as AAA, but smaller.
There isnt anything technically wrong with being risk averse, Atlas was known for it and they held a fucktonne of space for years. But kugu posters will call you out on it v0v

Its much like being in an allaince based on hurfblurf and DBRB lies, i mean its okay people should do what they like in internet spaceships, but you will also get made fun of for it ))))

[Horus]

Thx alot.

Am i to understand it that he claims that him selling 60b isk on RMT fucked the prices, or is it because RMT became more and more common?

I literally knows fuck all about RMT, and im pretty sure horus sperging about XIX making 20t (!) a month is totall bullshit but v0v

i say 2 /month not 20 (20 is theyr probable stockpile)

and ra at top of theyr expansion where doing easly 450-500b between theyr rent space.
btw 60b is nothing for an alliance like RA too bad i liked dodger, did many great business deal with him. IO, primary. etc,



regards the top ally list imho

1) PL (the average level of competence is higher than others, fc are good, and theyr super fleet still impressive good timezone coverage, very good intelligence)

2) Raiden (top alliance regards titan, but not many sc tbh (i am sure ncdot-pl have double if not more supercarrier than raiden ) but regards subcapital tbh, they are imho behind but they have more numbers, for sure theyr choice to focus on titan is the best one at moment, but if they get nerfed raiden suddently will become much weaker, very strong eu time probably top in eve at moment, bad timezone coverage )

3) Ncdot (nearly at same amount of PL as super right now, good fc, funny ppl who really enjoy the game ,good timezone coverage, more numbers than PL, if they get more ppl and reach 150+ each timezone imho they become e really big force to deal with right now if ncdot was like raiden with all ppl concentrated in one timezone, they where stronger)

4) Goonswarm (mass of zerg, neverthless they have mass of ppl, did i mention they are a loth? , good fc, but low number of fc,disappointing super fleet for a 7k man alliance, good timezone coverage , theyr force is politics and numbers, certainly not the average quality, good intelligence/organization)

5)Solar Fleet (Impressive numbers for theyr "size" impressive sc fleet, but not much titans tbh, certainly top russian alliance, bad timezone coverage for theyr size probably they have the most high partecipation, politically alone, forced to bind with -a- & co)

6)AAA ( i know -a- is shit bla bla, but in truth they never die, only go to hell for regroup, good numbers up to 260+ good timezone coverage, on paper one of bigger super fleet, but they have too much enemy with too much super for field them in safety,)

6) Evoke ( I like them dont get me wrong, 250 drakes, are emmm 250 drakes, really drakes? yes a lot but is a low level ships, evoke still circle around searching for a home, theyr super fleet is good but under pl raiden ncdot -a- , for sure when they focus on something they are problematic, 2nd powerful eu timezone ally in game imho )

7) Test (They are learning and learning fast, theyr pet are shit, but test are improving and there is a lot of potential expecial by being around PL & Co, with time they will be a force to recon. , they lack totally a supercapital fleet.

8) Red Alliance (They are warriors, but quality, and too much fail are making them weak, also all theyr pets-allies are busy/or failing so when i judge an ally i include his political situations, and Ra is in a bad internal and external situation , good numbers but they are dropping, and even if theyr super fleet once where big, they suffered too much losses, and with no isk, no replacements, so less ppl will log in , if not where for all this probles they where probably in in posizione 5-6 )

9) Null2 (they growing, improving, but they lack space, they cant expand , even if they hate romanian legion and want theyr space, they cant have it cause, -a- and stain empire, they also lack supers, but theyr subcap fleet is improving in both numbers and quality )

10) Pick any 2ndary ally, just no IRC, really, IRC? my corp alone have more kills than theyr entire alliance with a 50% efficiency difference in positive )

[Jones Bones]

Thx alot.

Am i to understand it that he claims that him selling 60b isk on RMT fucked the prices, or is it because RMT became more and more common?

I literally knows fuck all about RMT, and im pretty sure horus sperging about XIX making 20t (!) a month is totall bullshit but v0v

You have a very well known figure in your own alliance who knows plenty about RMT.

60b is a drop in the bucket, but I think it's what made him realize he was detroying his alliance's chance to survive by RMTing all of its funds.

[Comrade Comrade]

Our plan to jump over IRC on the alliance rating ladder, get with the program man.

Note: Russia

[Tyrrax Thorrk]

i say 2 /month not 20 (20 is theyr probable stockpile)

and ra at top of theyr expansion where doing easly 450-500b between theyr rent space.
btw 60b is nothing for an alliance like RA too bad i liked dodger, did many great business deal with him. IO, primary. etc,

Obviously you know more about RA finances than Silent Dodger does..
Fucking retard.

[Jones Bones]

So can PL apply for unemployment in Russia if their employers lose their RMT empire and no longer can afford their car payments?

[Dinique]

I've been assured that the cheque is in the mail

[Jones Bones]

I've been assured that the cheque is in the mail

Is it in rubles? I've always wanted to rubles...

[Horus]

Obviously you know more about RA finances than Silent Dodger does..
Fucking retard.

Soo jelous, and attention whore, poor tyrraxx,

[Zev]

Is it in rubles? I've always wanted to rubles...

Sadly not, it's in Zimbabwe dollars.

[MpozoY]

Wasn't Silent Dodger the main push behind being unfriendly with Goons because we were still bros with Daroh

Without zapawork's primer I never can keep this shit straight

[Opti]

You have a very well known figure in your own alliance who knows plenty about RMT.

60b is a drop in the bucket, but I think it's what made him realize he was detroying his alliance's chance to survive by RMTing all of its funds.

1. UAxDeath
2. MACTEP
3. Viper Shizzle

I AGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT

[Propagandas]

You have a very well known figure in your own alliance who knows plenty about RMT.

60b is a drop in the bucket, but I think it's what made him realize he was detroying his alliance's chance to survive by RMTing all of its funds.

Just because viper shizzle rmts 24/7 doesnt mean the rest of our 1k members know all about it v0v
Much like i doubt all the AAA members and the rest of the RUS RUS core alliances do.

[Propagandas]

Wasn't Silent Dodger the main push behind being unfriendly with Goons because we were still bros with Daroh

Without zapawork's primer I never can keep this shit straight

Now you are believeing the hurf blurf again m8. You cant blame one duder for an alliance stopping to care about a former ally that lives on the otherside of eve, much like you cant blame bmerc for the breach of the brocode. Alas i guess it makes it easier v0v

[MpozoY]

Now you are believeing the hurf blurf again m8. You cant blame one duder for an alliance stopping to care about a former ally that lives on the otherside of eve, much like you cant blame bmerc for the breach of the brocode. Alas i guess it makes it easier v0v

If that duder happens to be the head of the alliance then you mos def can blame him, but that drama was during something like the Not One Inch Geminate invasion or something and I've completely forgotten the details, just like I don't remember whose idea it was to drop Zastow's titan or who was even active in PL immediately post-Shizzledown. If there was hurf blurf about it it must not have been very effective vov

[Mean Machine]

and ra at top of theyr expansion where doing easly 450-500b between theyr rent space.
btw 60b is nothing for an alliance like RA too bad i liked dodger, did many great business deal with him. IO, primary. etc,

240b at top as renter income, according to official accounting in RED (open to RED member-corporation directors). Number seems to be accurate, since many renter alliances didn't pay any rent to RED, they were welcome to occupy territory for free and serve as meatshield. 60b per month makes 25% of total renter income, I'd say a significant number.

[Checkbox Poll]

Here's what nulli thinks nulli has done

*snip*
As for"we haven't actually fought a proper enemy yet"...we've browbeaten TEST, Morsus Mihi, and Br1ck Squad on multiple occasions. We've smacked the shit out of RA. We've run desperate skirmishes against Goon fleets several times our number. So yes, yes we have fought proper foes.

Browbeaten. Wow. Like the time I jumped maels into Abbadons at zero because progod wouldn't jump in to me and then he cynos in triage archon and black legion batphone.

Utterly devastated.

[Horus]

240b at top as renter income, according to official accounting in RED (open to RED member-corporation directors). Number seems to be accurate, since many renter alliances didn't pay any rent to RED, they were welcome to occupy territory for free and serve as meatshield. 60b per month makes 25% of total renter income, I'd say a significant number.

you agree with me that "official" is never "official" expecial since many isk vanish, "unregistered" (like dodger admitted) , potentially theyr entire space was worth 500b, yeah maybe red legion and other is not payng rent etc .

dont understimate also transaction taxes-refinery ,moons, etc, production slots,research slots

[Night Combat]

How can you call the CFC the last coalition left in EVE? Wtf do you call PL/NC./Raiden/Evoke/Test/Innit/ect ect?

They are all NEUTRAL to each other, you know...

[Night Combat]

They are all NEUTRAL to each other, you know...

no really! It is true. PL sais this all the time, really. I mean for really real!

[Nicky D]

turned out the only thing vibrant...



...was Dodger's bank account