I guess it could be worse, they could've taken Silver Snake Enterprises
I guess it could be worse, they could've taken Silver Snake Enterprises
We'll see how long before Horus causes NC. to collapse.
[05:28:32] Damienwhat Solette > friend said, if only they didn't have those 2 falcons there, i said they have 3, and he said that just says they don't want to do anything fair, just want to be dicks about it like not normal dicks but big black huge cocks
Speaking the truth about someone or something should only get you banned in Eve Online
Solar > raiden > ncdot > ev0ke > PL
That is how it goes, sadly solar, raiden and ev0ke only have 1 tz which limits them greatly.
AAA is nowhere close, half of AAA fleets are ROL/ENGRE/ATAK and aaa itself is fucknig shit. Shame SOLAR ended up in that group
Death to all narciss
PL (the king-makers) > Raiden (supreme EUtz alliance) > Goonswarm (raw numbers) > Solar (ferocious / the best Russians) > NCdot (high concentration of supers and actives).
I don't personally list Evoke in the top tier. They are not the strongest Euro tz alliance, that honor belongs to Raiden. They also fucking disappear into the nether for 6+ months at a time. They are effective when they are motivated though.
The middle tier goes something like this: Evoke (and/or) AAA > RA > Nulli > TEST > XxDeathXx > SE (elite but SMALL)
I put AAA even with Evoke because I think their dual-timezone coverage is an asset. They also seem to have more supers on paper. Evoke are brutal sometimes, and then do nothing for 6 months at a time, so it's really hard to place them as high as they probably deserve in my mind. I know "AAA=shit" but I think the people who spam this are in PL, who AAA is incredibly afraid of. AAA are much braver when just fighting in the South. Last year in 46DP AAA killed 2 RA super carriers and 1 titan (Psycode's second titan loss that year, lol). They would have had something like 12 more if current aggression mechanics were in place.
I think RA is a solid third place because they have strong numbers and a dangerous super-cap fleet. They also have big balls when it comes to sacrificing 30 carriers to save a timer, and they almost always fight. However, the last few months have made me think RA are losing their touch. I think Nulli have been more consistent, but the master-list seems to indicate they have alot less supers and that's the #1 factor these days. Therefore I put Nulli after RA, even though Nulli seem to be better organized (from my perspective fighting both of them anyway).
TEST could be at the top of the middle-tiers a year from now. They have grown a ton since they took Fountain. They really need more supers though. Their embrace of newbies makes them more like old-school Goons than anyone else in the game, and their ability to PL into dragging them around the galaxy for lessons in rape will benefit their young FCs immensely. The other alliances behind them are all disappointments in my eyes, but I can't write them off as low-tiers just yet. SE is actually, pound-per-pound, amazing. They are just TINY and therefore only really help by taking over special roles (e.g. bombers) or by FCing Russian fleets full of ROL Mongrels.
The low-tier should be something like this: IRC > Controlled Chaos > FA > ROL > Cascade Imminent > Gentleman's Agreement > Coven > CVA > Romanian Legion > Red Legion > FCON > SMA > Vera Cruz
IRC is arguable as a middle-tier. They have shown some potential to be dangerous in 2011. They just have way too many idiots and miners to be taken seriously. Controlled Chaos is moving up in the world, but any alliance that PAYS kula kain to do anything - least of all running fleets - must be lead by morons though. FA seem like the best Goonswarm vassal, so I put them at #3. ROL provides lots of grunts for the A-team, so I put them at #4. It makes me sad how low CVA is, but that's what happens when you worship Aralis for years and lose tons of good people because of stupid dogmatic beliefs.
Stellar first post, rep. One group that I have personally enjoyed watching in the last year or so in the delve power vacuum are the Huns who handled themselves pretty well, and I'd throw them in with test/nulli tbh although they haven't been a player in the sov map for a few months now.
They rolled C02 and Init when PL (and IT) left the fight, held out against DRF until the supercap numbrs from PL/NCdot and raiden became to much, and they have been bitchsmacking RED and friends around whenever PL isnt around.
Really when I see the map, killboards I think of which alliances would be able to take each other out 1v1 (including PL which isnt on the map but can obviously take care of business) and I see Goons, Raiden, PL and -A-. I'm sure everyone will jump on me for narrowing it down to those 4 (particularly with the -A- hate on this board) but these are the 4 that i see as map movers and significant parties on thier own.
You girls sure type a lot.
Why not PL vs -A-. 80 man fleet limit subcaps only. Lets see if -a- are as shit as pl say they are and if pl are as shit pl say they are
AAA remind me that HON players, who create NOOB ONLY games to increase their stats.
i remember starcraft games like that....
NCdot is clearly not as powerful overall, but they do have alot of the advantages that the other top tiers do (tech / supers / good political standings / good FCs), so I'm torn about putting them down in the mid-tier with Evoke and AAA.
Your list puts AAA as 4th behind Goons, Raiden, and PL. Mine has them 6th or 7th depending on how you view Evoke, so it's not a huge change.
I have NCdot ahead of AAA on my list. Truthfully, I do think NCdot would struggle head to head, but AAA is split into two timezones, so their on-paper advantage in supers and numbers is a bit misleading.
The real difficulty in measuring what NCdot can do alone comes from the fact that they are sort of playing side-kick. If PL is the Batman, NCdot is Robin (and TEST is Catwoman).
I don't know. I've never actually seen PL do anything outside a coalition without their rear protected by allies.
I still think that there is a lot of hype along side the skills and think Solar would obliterate them 1on1. I saw them break in Fountain and don't think they
have the russian perseverance. I know Kugu is their strong ground with a lot of fanboys.
I don't however argue the fact that they are masters of diplomacy and deal making. They have aligned themselves better than just
about anyone for their own self interest and their campaigns keep their grunts interested.
It's a pity that PL and NC are helping XIX RA knowing that those alliances does not belong on the arena, everyone knows that RA and XIX even 2x1 will not be able to win against SF... We made our history at this point, morale is high enough even to be pushed out to low sec and regroup (that's the most superior thing I like about SF)
By the way that was a bad move to drop titans so fast to C-J6 , we could have a good fight on the last timer before u drop the supers (and we wanted that - we knew that you gonna drop them anyway, but before that we wanted to have a GF, which we didn't get).
With all the respect I hope we will have more Good fights. "SF don't talk, SF jumps" -
I hope this post means that people will fight us more now that it's been pointed out that we suck and are propped up by our allies.
edit: point was we can always do with more willing participants
I think -A- is pretty good, the only reason people still think they're shit is because they carry around about 70% inactive membership that bloats the numbers. For the *active* part of the alliance -- they are decent, thou their FCs have tendency to panic and fly into walls for some unknown reason.
I think this is partly because they've fought nothing but cannonfodder for the longest time and got scared (instead of fighting and adapting) when they ran into something else.
edit: and PL is somewhere in the mid-tier, thou I'd maybe rate us a bit above it because when we run into something better -- we learn and adapt (for example see: Darkside)
goonswarm are better than PL as far as organization is concerned
gypsy/darkside maybe better in some ways, but smaller and lack supercaps
solar, ncdot, raiden, evoke - don't think so
I don't understand how people can put nulli under -a- and RA in that list. -a- has as long as I have been fighting them a 1 trick pony. Which involved falling back to stain. waiting till the enemy force breaks up grabbing all their allies and start taking back space and then start doing more things on there own when enemy moral is failing and then claiming how good they are themselves while they only reason they have been able to do what did was due to there allies. I think Nulli has proven themselves to be way more adaptive then -a- and they seem to be way more willing to actually engage then -a- does in unfavorable situations and actually doing decent to good.
The biggest problem that RA has is that they aren't adaptive. They always seem to fly the same while their enemies seem to change there ways around. They ran into a counter to the arty abby at the start of the -a- invasion and it took till half or the end of it to start changing doctrine around. And now that their enemies fleet doctrine has changed again they don't seem to be able to adapt to it again on time again.
I think you underestimate the Goons. While the rank and file tend to be chaotic poor quality grunts barely capable of tying their shoelaces, the leadership is a whole different story. When Goons HC put something into action, they somehow manage to pull it off by herding cats.
As for SS.E, I've flown with them and they seemed like pretty chill dude's, why the hate Penif? Just interested if they did something I missed?
Also - Fuck yeah, adds be gone
There's a lot of potential in -A-. Also, there's a lot of history guiding its strategic goals. Much of it results in avoiding fighting PL simply from lack of perceived upside or contribution toward those goals.
A point can be and has been made that in some instances learning opportunities are missed, but one can't deny there's little realistically for -A- to gain by engaging PL's super fleet. Most of -A-'s super fleet should be considered 'alts' for now reserved to grinding sov or popping renter carriers. Obviously some are offended by this.
-A- does have a tendency to play down to the level of the reds it does fight, and fails to properly adjust back upwards when faced with a more competent fleet. Part of the root cause is culture is certain TZs, and part of the root cause is lack of people with the confidence to step up. However, I would say the largest part of the root cause is that most FCs in -A- would rather FC small gang roams than this abortion of Sov warfare CCP inflicted on the player base.
Dodger (ex-RA leaders) farewell address.
1) Admits starting to RMT ISK straight after fall of NC
2) Sold ISK from corp/ally wallet
3) Sold ally titans
4) Bought car with RMT'd money
5) Current 0 ISK situation in RA due to his RMTing
6) Leaving because he feels guilty for what he did (Read: no ISK left in wallets)
7) After talk, everyone gets upset over him leaving (WTF?)
8) Everyone admits RA is shit (I shit you not)
NC.are overated and blue to just about every other decent pvp outfit.
They are most certainly not in the same league as Evoke who subcap wise would rip them a new one every single time.
Raiden have become like a reincarnation of the old MC but without those titans they are no better then the next half decent outfit
PL have become a joke who once hotdropped just about anyone in EVE now have so many blues they are finding it harder and harder to hotdrop anything other than -A-.
If you view goons as an alliance they are weaked then AAA for example. On a regular brawl night when goon coalition have 400 members, only 140 is goon alliance. So in alliance for alliance goons are pretty meh.
Alas if you count it as a coalition everything changes ofc, Team Goon is the last coalition in the game now with DRF dispanding (and cmon niga plz, AAA coalition is so weak it doesnt count) and can spit out 1k pilots in fleet, nobody can match that v0v.
But if we go back to Alliance ranking;
PL has been over hyped and nobody can really disagree with that. We have a rep of 0wn0wn0wn because that is what we constantly do, while alliances like ev0ke, RDN and ncdot also 0wn0wn0wn alas they have more downtime between 0wn deployments. They are also newer alliances and havent been in the business of 0wn for very long time.
RDN gets 50 titans in fleet for major cta, that is some kind of single alliance record, on top of that they get 200 bs fleet ontop of that.
Ev0ke gets 250 drakes in euro prime from their alliance + ewoks alone, that also is incredebly strong.
I would put those 2 alliances at the top if it wasnt for that they are limited to EU tz only.
Ncdot and PL are more allround when it comes to tz, alas in PL case that is mostly because our euro backbone is terrible nerds who play 24/7 if there is ops.
And between us and NCdot, ncdot always brings a bigger punch. This is most likely a mix of them actually being bigger and us having more inactive olde guardes i believe.
Then we have the wildcard SOLAR alliance who get 200 in fleet from ther 1200 man alliance daily in RUS prime, and they engage everytime and mostly 0wn0wn0wn everyone. Those fools aint affraid of nothing.
So if we ignore the TZ diffrences the alliance pound for pound ranking goes as this and if you disagree you are a pleb ))))
#1 Solar (coz of bravery)
#2 Rdn (beats #3 due to titan superioority)
#3 Ev0ke (250 drakes can change every battle)
#4 Ncdot (much like RDN but a bit smaller and better tz cowerage)
#5 PL (all we do is win win win, alas we are getting old and tired)
Continuing the list is hard, since there are so many mediocre alliances. But I guess INIT > AAA > Goons > Test > IRC > XIX > RA > Nulli (had to add this lolshit alliance since they arent actually a pet, but holy smokes they are bad) is the middle kinda.
And at the bottom tier we have "allies" or "pets" or whatever you want to call them, we usually call them +10 alliances since that is all they do, bring 10 battleship to a coalition fleet and nothing more, such as FA/FCON/GENTS/ENGRE/ATAK/CHAOS.