The War in the North and what is to come (Part 2)

**Goblin** · 2012-01-21

I honestly think that the CFC are waiting for Raiden to slip up and fuck them with supers. Like holding for the perfect opportunity to kill as many Raiden supers in one fight as possible and do it. It just doesn't seem logical to let such a small force boss you around.

Maybe I just underestimate the Goon super strength, but there must be a hell of a lot in a coalition that big.

**Propagandas** · 2012-01-21

Originally Posted by tgr

How many of those'll die within minutes of getting in there due to DDs and fighterbombers?

And one side loses the fight (and a majority of the supers), and whoa there goes the war (or it turns into a subcap fight because none of the sides have any supers left).

I had at least one fleet primary me, and my reps were holding fine, until a few titans decided to get involved. I didn't even have time to change alignment before I'd gone from full shield to "hm, self destruct doesn't seem to be working on this pod".

You are right m8, you should prolly never deploy supers. ggwp.

**tgr** · 2012-01-21

Originally Posted by Grath

Tell me how goons committing supers would lose them the war when the CFC currently is not committing those supers? That just doesn't make sense to me, you have a weapon that you're not using, because if you lose it, that will cost you the war. Well you're not using it now, how will losing something you don't use set you back anymore?

I'd hazard a guess that what it'd do is make it so we'd be back to square one (just subcaps) with no way of making whatever systems we jammed for strategic reasons hard as fuck to break through (even though our subcap capabilities would make that pretty hard regardless). What that'd end up with in the long run, I don't know.

Originally Posted by Grath

And yea, Dreads would get nuked on jump in, and no it wouldn't be to FiBo's, it would be to DD's. Thats why I quoted 50, 33 titans would DD about 25ish Dreads on jump in, they'd never fully drop into siege (I didn't say 33 because historically titan DD's over lap, couple that with the fact that its REALLY fucking easy to tank a dread enough to stand up to one dd, using a single hardener)

I know they wouldn't take out all of them, that's why I added the fighterbombers. I presumed they'd take a toll on the rest, and I'd also assume there'd be at least some reps flowing from the supercarriers after everyone's gotten over the initial "oh shit" phase.

Originally Posted by Grath

but if those titans aren't tank fit, 25 dreads dropping into siege is going to melt that ass like its butter on a hot pan.

That's a big if. You know as well as anyone that there are spies everywhere, so if nothing else they'd probably go into tank fit, if they'd deploy at all.

Then again, that'd probably be one way of doing metagaming here.

**Jones Bones** · 2012-01-21

And one side loses the fight (and a majority of the supers), and whoa there goes the war (or it turns into a subcap fight because none of the sides have any supers left).

As a neutral observer:
If you welp your supers, how does that change the war?
If Raiden loses their supers, it ruins their current strategy.

Hell, imagine if those Maelstroms were all Neuting pests. My god, so many supers would have died.

**Propagandas** · 2012-01-21

Originally Posted by tgr

That's a big if. You know as well as anyone that there are spies everywhere, so if nothing else they'd probably go into tank fit, if they'd deploy at all.

Tanked titans cant track maels.
Seing how RDN titans killed 200 maels with titans we have our answer.
Also you cant refeit your caps in blob wars, you get the "HYRF DURF TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE TOO CLOSE NO REFITTING M8" msg

**Grath** · 2012-01-21

i fucking hate that message

**tgr** · 2012-01-21

Originally Posted by Jones Bones

If you welp your supers, how does that change the war?

Initially? Probably not a lot.

Originally Posted by Jones Bones

If Raiden loses their supers, it ruins their current strategy.

And along with that, probably their whole war as well. Absolutely worst case (for them), they'd make themselves open to counterinvasions.

**Propagandas** · 2012-01-21

in all honestly, if goons dropped supers on RDN supers in a normal tz, everyone with any clue knows that RDN will get mad backup from another 100ish supercaps like the rohan riders in the helms deep.

**Scotch** · 2012-01-21

Originally Posted by Propagandas

in all honestly, if goons dropped supers on RDN supers in a normal tz, everyone with any clue knows that RDN will get mad backup from another 100ish supercaps like the rohan riders in the helms deep.

We have a winner.

**wanamingo** · 2012-01-21

Which is further enabled by Time Dilation, I imagine.

**GoodLuckHaveFlan** · 2012-01-21

Originally Posted by Grath

And yea, Dreads would get nuked on jump in, and no it wouldn't be to FiBo's, it would be to DD's. Thats why I quoted 50, 33 titans would DD about 25ish Dreads on jump in, they'd never fully drop into siege (I didn't say 33 because historically titan DD's over lap, couple that with the fact that its REALLY fucking easy to tank a dread enough to stand up to one dd, using a single hardener), but if those titans aren't tank fit, 25 dreads dropping into siege is going to melt that ass like its butter on a hot pan.

The bonus part is that dreads are well covered by insurance, so at the end of the day if your alliance would start reimbursing those (you guys tend to have the best reimbursement policy in EVE) you'd end up with a bunch of dudes loading up at the start of an op like the Jap pilots in WWII, screaming banzai as the cyno went up, their sole purpose, kill a titan or die trying.

I would really love to see someone pull this off. And who better than Goons with their superior numbers. Totally agree with Grath on this one.

**Headblast** · 2012-01-21

Originally Posted by Vee

Based on the assumption that our fleets are mobile, you're mostly right. Yesterday we initiated the fight perfectly by smashing into RDN rokhs out of titan range, but after that all mad props go to Ev0ke's use of heavy dictors. 10-15 of them supported by 35-40+ scimis = impossible to evac grid, almost impossible to kill, and no more unlimited cap to mwd these days. It's okay to be tackled that bad againts subcaps, not so much against 35 titans

That warp-in on our Rokh fleet was absolutely spot-on, which is also shown by the fact that we lost a buttload of Rokhs before we even got kill a single of your ships. Our bubbling abilities was terrible at that stage. I don't know how you guys dealt with TiDi, but it completely messed up the reps of our logis. Our entire BS fleet was basically wiped out before our supercaps engaged, and our subcaps reshipped for Abaddons.

TiDi seriously fucks up warping though, and while the JTAU battle was much, much better in terms of lag, TiDi has the potential to help in the epic battles.

The following months look exciting, that's for sure!

**Perseus Kallistratos** · 2012-01-21

Originally Posted by Propagandas

in all honestly, if goons dropped supers on RDN supers in a normal tz, everyone with any clue knows that RDN will get mad backup from another 100ish supercaps like the rohan riders in the helms deep.

Troll or not this shit is true. I can bet NC. would show and how many midpts are they from the fighting at current staging? I remember being trolled endlessly by PL to deploy -a- supers,

sywar: Hell Grath still tries to troll -a- for not dropping supers as if anyone takes his shit seriously. You're only hope is to have enough support to pop dictors so you're duders can warp out if primaried, but with that many DDs on field + NC. (+anyone else in that bloc) more than likely showing up if Goon supers are reported on field you have to honestly look at risk/reward and let the haters hate.

**Stenner** · 2012-01-21

Originally Posted by GoodLuckHaveFlan

I would really love to see someone pull this off. And who better than Goons with their superior numbers. Totally agree with Grath on this one.

Dreads are the new Rifters.

**Gordon Cain** · 2012-01-21

At the end of this ops we where reaching far out of our TZ which is the only reason the rest of the techs where allowed to survive. 3-4 more comming out in the next couple hours.

We did ops a couple times thursday and reffed like 18 techs and incapped all station in eastern Branch and PB.

I would love to see station service hitpoint lowered 8)

This fight was happening late with Goons on high alert. We knew it could be drapped into a bad TZ. Our Rokh fleet got caught first and rape in beginning. Only option for us was to escalate. We knew which way goons aligned all the time which made it easy to get good tracking on the tits. This is most likely the main reason so many dead BS is on our boards atm.

We had awesome numbers today even when this was just a "normal" weekend ops. No special postings about it on our board. Things are looking nice atm and people are enjoying the fights.

Only regret we have is that WN didnt man up earlier and things might have looked a little different.

**Razzor** · 2012-01-21

Last night was awesome. We got fucking pasted but god damn grinding a whole region over 3 weeks and dying of boredom makes you beg for fights like a crack whore. I was actually playing eve in my scimi in all the fights last night and well damn, playing eve for a whole evening.

More fights :V

**Grath** · 2012-01-21

Originally Posted by TrojanMan

I'm a whiney cunt thats scared to lose video game assets

Maybe if you stopped thinking about things in terms of real life cash value, you wouldn't be so risk averse.

**Well done dot** · 2012-01-21

Grath -A- has a titan pilot called cashmoney.
We all know which way the wind blows down south.

**tgr** · 2012-01-21

Originally Posted by Grath

Maybe if you stopped thinking about things in terms of real life cash value, you wouldn't be so risk averse.

Are you saying it would've gone any better for them if they had? Or is it just that you'd "respect them more"?

**Razzor** · 2012-01-21

Originally Posted by Headblast

I don't know how you guys dealt with TiDi, but it completely messed up the reps of our logis

From my perspective in my scimi in all fights last night it seemed to be ok for 5mins, then I just couldn't get a lock in time for 5 mins. Backwards and forwards in a very broken way all night.

Tidi may be active but its not working active yet.

**Grath** · 2012-01-21

Originally Posted by tgr

Are you saying it would've gone any better for them if they had? Or is it just that you'd "respect them more"?

My ego tells me to say that I doubt any singular alliance could take on PL, its a coalition or your shits on fire, so I don't think it would have gone better.

And I don't think 'respect' is the right word, since nobody really gives a shit about respect on the internet, but I don't know how to put it in the right context. We have a good relationship with most people we actually fight, even goons, ect, but AAA is ridiculously hung up on these killboard stats and other retard shit that they literally would rather not play eve than actually take any form of a risk at all.

I can't really find the right words right now to quantify what I want to say but 'respect' isn't really it.

**Jones Bones** · 2012-01-21

Originally Posted by Grath

I can't really find the right words right now to quantify what I want to say but 'respect' isn't really it.

HONOR and GLORY

**Feryl** · 2012-01-21

Holy Mother of Fuck. This is a big fight.

**Grath** · 2012-01-21

I love you, whoever you are running things today, I love you.

**Lorren Canada** · 2012-01-21

Mumble is temporarily fucked due to all the cheering. It'll be back up shortly. Try not to aaaa chain in the middle of a fight

*** This was a broadcast from themittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***

**Grath** · 2012-01-21

Also RAIDEN guys, please don't take that the wrong way, I don't love it because of whats happening to you right now, I love it because its happening at all.

EVE needed this so fucking bad, it was going to be you, Vince, or us that had to have this happen, but it really needs to happen so that people can see that its possible.

**teds** · 2012-01-21

titan fleet close to die or something?

**teds** · 2012-01-21

the people want to know!

**Chef** · 2012-01-21

Well, so far one bit the dust...

**Murzilka** · 2012-01-21

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12203171 - for people with chronic F5 disability, keep clicking this.

**Grath** · 2012-01-21

From what I can gather, Raiden went the usual route and used Titans, Goons got em bubbled and dropped suicide dreads on it, then logged supers on and have committed to the field.

**Bad Posting** · 2012-01-21

http://i.imgur.com/detap.jpg The brave goon cap fleet. Also DBRB fix your mic holy shit.

EDIT: http://i.imgur.com/ae8MX.jpg More accurate.

**Berious** · 2012-01-21

GRATH I HOPE YOU RESPECT US NOW!!!

**tgr** · 2012-01-21

17% time dilation now. :3

**Goblin** · 2012-01-21

Its telling that PL are the ones that have to gloat for a goon loss (Rightly so, ego deflation needed). PL/Goon kugu monopoly much?

**Carebears** · 2012-01-21

This was only done to get the respect of Grath.

**Zloco** · 2012-01-21

Goon Leviathan down also!

**Razzor** · 2012-01-21

today tidi means I can rep

this fucking owns hard

**tgr** · 2012-01-21

14% time dilation. Dayom, shit's slow.

**Bad Posting** · 2012-01-21

Was this already posted? Idk fuck it. http://tnt.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12203172

**Kitty Vintner** · 2012-01-21

I need a job where I don't work on saturday

**Razzor** · 2012-01-21

where is PL ? we all know how this will end :V

**Venetian Tar** · 2012-01-21

Originally Posted by Zloco

Goon Leviathan down also!

I hear it just got out.

**Grath** · 2012-01-21

yea, afaik no goon supers died.

**Venetian Tar** · 2012-01-21

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12203172 Titan

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12203171 Pod

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12203172 Related kills/losses

**Razzor** · 2012-01-21

Originally Posted by Grath

yea, afaik no goon supers died.

till you get here you mean ?

**tgr** · 2012-01-21

Originally Posted by Razzor

where is PL ? we all know how this will end :V

I'd be surprised if they aren't furiously logging in.

**Venetian Tar** · 2012-01-21

[18:27:52] Grath Telkin > Raiden we came to talk to you about that guys erebus fit

Hi Grath.

**Kazanir** · 2012-01-21

Originally Posted by tgr

I'd be surprised if they aren't furiously logging in.

Not that furiously. No Clusterfuck supers have died....................................that we know about................................although it wasn't for lack of trying.

I was flying FNLN's Naglfar pilot for great justice though. Fuck yeah.

**Grath** · 2012-01-21

[18:31:03] Wen Illiad > PL mad cause CFC killed a titian

The modern Goon ladies and gentlemen, the most unfun creature on earth.

Who the fuck could be mad, this is literally a hallmark day in fucking EVE, I couldn't be happier

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