Red Heat: A Game of Russian Roulette

[MrSmith]

Please don't kill us!

I guessing IRC has little to worry about from PL. I am not sure XIX winning can really happen as the sheer space and assets involved indicate that a "draw" is far more likely...IRC will be part of the Solar bargain and continue to be CE meatshield/sov payment servicers.

However, should Solar somehow be pushed out...IRC will be out in a matter of weeks.

That is if TEST or Goons don't open up a second front soon....

How can you call IRC a meatshield when Cobalt Edge is way up in the corner of the map with no one on the other side of them?

[Sausage]

ITT: PL grunts Speculate & then post on their leaders motives.

[woo glin]

low hanging fruitshield

[Lorren Canada]

How can you call IRC a meatshield when Cobalt Edge is way up in the corner of the map with no one on the other side of them?

One need not be in one's home region to meatshield.

[penifSMASH]

In yet another non-shocker and what seems to be a constant of EVE, Pandemic Legion are once again fighting outnumbered against the blobbing SOLAR FLEET and co. I've been in PL two years and I can't think of a single campaign where we were on the side with the numbers advantage.

[Southerner]

In yet another non-shocker and what seems to be a constant of EVE, Pandemic Legion are once again fighting outnumbered against the blobbing SOLAR FLEET and co. I've been in PL two years and I can't think of a single campaign where we were on the side with the numbers advantage.

I hope that was just an attempt at sarcasm

[Loremaster680]

That makes sense with you being part of a merc alliance..... if one side is winning and has numbers they don't need help....

Those that need help are usually not overwhelmingly in control of the situation....

[Night]

I think part of the outpouring of sperg in this thread is for lost opportunities. PL has proved they are great instrument for change in the game. They helped destroy the NC, after all. It has been remarked that Solar is an alliance of the old school already, not one to build coalitions, so they take all this space and become bloated and die after the war ends and we shuffle the deck and get something...new.

Instead PL has stabilized the situation and prevented both the poor in skill but rich in ISK from dying in a fire, which is always a bit of a disappointment to those of us who like seeing people die in a fire, but also prevented the first real thing of interest to occur in the Drones in a long time from going forward. There were possibilities for a major shakeup of the existing order here. Now there are not.

[Auldare]

Ok so I'll address this since it got hung up in a spam filter and you seem to actually be asking questions in some parts.



Our client list went something like (these could be wildly out of order)
DRF (atlas)
NC (hit IT)
DRF (hit NC)
IT (hit Goons)
DRF (Finish NC)

Those were probably the major contracts of last year, and pretty much covered the entire maps political structure at the time. And yes, the DRF are on there 3 times, but so were other groups. We're just a tool they go to frequently because historically we've pulled good results on most contracts (IT was too far gone to save I think) and are fairly easy to work with. We've taken a lot of smaller contracts from random people when we could fold them under the umbrella of a bigger op as well.

We do go where the isk is, which is major conflicts, if we can put ourselves in the area of a conflict there is a higher chance one side or the other might approach us.



First of all, internally our books and wallets are completely open, we do like, quarterly audits and break downs on what we're spending what on, and who's getting what for what, saying that it doesn't go back to the members is pretty absurd, as we have probably one of the most expansive Titan funding programs going on right now (god knows what we're going to spend the money on soon, we're running out of people to put in titans).

The lions share of the money is ferreted away in an account thats pretty much public knowledge so that we can afford to be brave with our supers. You see when the pilots in the supers know that you have the money to replace them and do replace them they tend to be braver than your average Demonic Fury (he jumped out of the great NC welp before we ever fired a shot).

So I doubt you'll find the rank and file upset at what we do.


The Russians are usually the people who want to win the most, and have deep pockets from years of playing to make it happen. We've been approached by nearly every alliance in game, some with good contracts, some with bad contracts. Our first pick is usually fun, then its who we like/owe a favor to/cause the most tears. So in the end, if it looks like the russians hire us more often, maybe you should think about either getting off your wallet when you look us up, or calling earlier.

Thanks for the reply.

[penifSMASH]

another constant in EVE has been tears from baddie scrublords

they may change their corporation and alliance but their cries stay the same

[Ymir]

In yet another non-shocker and what seems to be a constant of EVE, Pandemic Legion are once again fighting outnumbered against the blobbing SOLAR FLEET and co. I've been in PL two years and I can't think of a single campaign where we were on the side with the numbers advantage.

Not even Catch 1?

[Rawr]

You can hardly call fighting AAA in any incarnation a campaign. More like mercy

[Lucas Quaan]

ITT: bitter AAA members Speculate & then post on PL motives.

[Komo1ov]

Hard to say with this many alliances involved, solar and gypsy are pretty boss - so I'm guessing -A-/ROL etc are having a lot of fun flying with them - kinda funny you talking about our side piling on when we've been pretty heavily outnumbered so far. ;P

AAA/ROL are not flying with gypsies and solar, though they receive information about upcoming timers and voluntarily come from time to time.

Actually before PL/NCDOT joined, XIX vs SOLAR were pretty much one on one with gypsies, random aaa and rol gangs passing through from time to time. And only when shit hit the fan with PL's arrival, SOLARs agreed to coordinate with other XIX haters.

So underdog part is not completely correct. XIX/XWX were not outnumbered in the beginning, they just were so terrible that they lost all initial fleet fights and hired PL.

[freijie]

Komo1ov, have you forgot the fact that PL came AFTER AAA\ROL\SE attacked one rather famuous entry system?

[Komo1ov]

Negotiations with PL were under way long before it. And i have to clarify that it was SE who placed SBUs there. AAA/ROL just were stationed nearby, hiding from PL, so they came to help.

[freijie]

And i have to clarify that it was SE who placed SBUs there. AAA/ROL just were stationed nearby, hiding from PL, so they came to help.

How convenient. What were you doing in lowsec if you werent preparing for invasion in dronelands? According to your post, you just hid from PL in lowsec, hoping that they wont follow.

p.s. edited post, somehow I totally forgot that SE were here, too. My bad.

[Komo1ov]

How convenient. What were you doing in lowsec if you werent preparing for invasion in dronelands? According to your post, you just hid from PL in lowsec, hoping that they wont follow. p.s. edited post, somehow I totally forgot that SE were here, too. My bad.

Your post shows that you analyze situation without having knowledge about situation. Not good for an expert, eh?


Ok, here's the part you missed: PL, NCDOT were sitting on south, holding hand of RA pets who were busy retaking Tenerifis and advancing to Feythabolis and even to Impass. AAA and ROL leadership decided they are not going to fight in such conditions. Ra pets were bringing same numbers as AAA/ROL combined and add to that PL/NC sitting on titan and with supers on standby. So AAA went to ride bikes to lowsec Otsasai system (favorite for some old AAA corps, like RTSQ). And after new year it became known that war in drone regions going to grow with PL, NC moving there; SE/BAND offering more serious support to SOLAR, so ROL and AAA moved to Uemon, close to LXQ (also one of RTSQ perma-camps spot) and prepared to have fun there.

[JimFromIT]

So where do UPS fit in to all this. I am a colossally dumb idiot so feel free to answer my question in as condescending a manner as you choose?
From what I can see they are getting hit by SOLAR and friends, but I don't read about them forming up with XiX/RA/PL - are they merely trying to capitalize with a land/moon grab while SOLAR is busy or are they a second front?

[Propagandas]

What IS annoying, in my subjective opinion, is PL and others going "oh XIX was the underdog so we joined in", and then a few posts later "we're mercs, we're open to the highest bidder". That's bullshit. PL and XIX have history - a lot of it. PL isn't in it because of underdogs or Isk - they're in it because XIX needed help. Simple as that.

Much like Goons growing sick of the NC's weaknesses in it's final days - PL might grow sick of XIX in months to come, it might not. But I, along with most Russians, am absolutely sure that when the war started, PL joining XIX was inevitable.

Personally, I don't believe Solar will win this battle. It'll win its space back afterwards,that's almost certain, but I believe the combined strength of PL/NC./RA/XIX+pets+whoever else piles on will wear Solar's space down eventually.

hey guys i get annoyed when a 1500 man alliance have members saying diffrent things, gaaa

[Propagandas]

Not even Catch 1?

we left a couple of days after IT joined in, alas during those days we also shot IT v0v.

INIT+PL was outnumbered by AAA + allies at the start, not our fault we raped them so hard they stopped forming fleets v0v

[freijie]

2Komo1ov

And after that you blame PL for actually moving past negotiations phase and taking contract. I mean, after attacking quite weakened XIX alliance by opening 2nd front "to have fun" and leaving PL without anything meaningful to do.

[Propagandas]

Negotiations with PL were under way long before it. And i have to clarify that it was SE who placed SBUs there. AAA/ROL just were stationed nearby, hiding from PL, so they came to help.

"okay m8s we might have called in multiple alliances to blob 1a8, but only because we have secret intel that XIX was talking to PL allready~~"


oh wait you are in aaa

2Komo1ov

And after that you blame PL for actually moving past negotiations phase and taking contract. I mean, after attacking quite weakened XIX alliance by opening 2nd front "to have fun" and leaving PL without anything meaningful to do.

3rd front, SOLAR and IRC allready had one each comrade.

[Komo1ov]

2Komo1ov

And after that you blame PL for actually moving past negotiations phase and taking contract. I mean, after attacking quite weakened XIX alliance by opening 2nd front "to have fun" and leaving PL without anything meaningful to do.

I don't blame anyone in anything (though i could ) AAA just wanted PL to fuck off and to let AAA restore destroyed alliance economy (i.e. renters bots farms ololo). Interesting turn of events with shit hitting multiple fans in dronelands was just coincidence. And for AAA it was easy to pick side because AAA hates XIX.

[Gandalf Team]

Ra pets were bringing same numbers as AAA/ROL combined and add to that PL/NC sitting on titan and with supers on standby.

Huh? I don't think we usually got more than 100-150 guys in a Red Arrow fleet during that time. Checking sov structures and POS KMs(pretty muchthe only things we killed during that time) for december I found 200+ red arrow dudes twice. All the others are 100ish and below.

[bobbechk]

Let me tell you about buissness in EVE and in rl

If i worked alot with a customer that always is nice and pays in due time (and even throws in a few "business lunches"!) i might look past the fact that he is offering me a tad less money then someone i have no idea if will a) pay at all b) be a total faggot

[Komo1ov]

Huh? I don't think we usually got more than 100-150 guys in a Red Arrow fleet during that time. Checking sov structures and POS KMs(pretty muchthe only things we killed during that time) for december I found 200+ red arrow dudes twice. All the others are 100ish and below.

It is theory. Practice says that fight never occured if RA block didn't have equal numbers with opposing force (RA stopped to 'show skill' by dropping supercapitals on bigger size forces when they lost 3 moms on Nulli TCU POS in 66-).

[freijie]

I RA stopped to 'show skill' by dropping supercapitals on bigger size forces

Its called 'guts', and at least RA dropped supers in risky and uncertain situations quite a few times, unlike certain alliance(s) that they fought.
Though this doesnt change that fact that RA welped super fleets too many times in past months .

[Omeega]

Your post shows that you analyze situation without having knowledge about situation. Not good for an expert, eh?


Ok, here's the part you missed: PL, NCDOT were sitting on south, holding hand of RA pets who were busy retaking Tenerifis and advancing to Feythabolis and even to Impass. AAA and ROL leadership decided they are not going to fight in such conditions. Ra pets were bringing same numbers as AAA/ROL combined and add to that PL/NC sitting on titan and with supers on standby. So AAA went to ride bikes to lowsec Otsasai system (favorite for some old AAA corps, like RTSQ). And after new year it became known that war in drone regions going to grow with PL, NC moving there; SE/BAND offering more serious support to SOLAR, so ROL and AAA moved to Uemon, close to LXQ (also one of RTSQ perma-camps spot) and prepared to have fun there.

Thank you Komorad

[Omeega]

oh wait you are in aaa

Not for long. Play nice with people who actually login and lose tengus.

[Stuckenschneider]

Not for long. Play nice with people who actually login and lose tengus.

Just posting to tell you, what you forgot to change your location to jokingly misspelled name of certain smug alliance.

[lothos]

Not for long. Play nice with people who actually login and lose tengus.

He is in PL now?

[Omeega]

Just posting to tell you, what you forgot to change your location to jokingly misspelled name of certain smug alliance.

UAI is Russian-only, what's your point?

[Omeega]

He is in PL now?

How would I know, since we've joined PL I've been ordered to stop loggin' in!

[Stuckenschneider]

UAI is Russian-only, what's your point?

Well, you have double rus in there, it was ok when you were in a rus corp and mostly rus alliance.
Now it should be more like "rus))PenifLegion" or something. Contact your local PL posters for advice.

[HeliconOne]

another constant in EVE has been tears from baddie scrublords

they may change their corporation and alliance but their cries stay the same

mlyp

[Hinkledolph]

Well, you have double rus in there, it was ok when you were in a rus corp and mostly rus alliance.
Now it should be more like "rus))PenifLegion" or something. Contact your local PL posters for advice.

PL has more RUS than you have ever imagined.

[Omeega]

Well, you have double rus in there, it was ok when you were in a rus corp and mostly rus alliance.
Now it should be more like "rus))PenifLegion" or something. Contact your local PL posters for advice.

I'm still in a RUS corp, and Pandemic Legion is probably more Russian than WhiteNoise & AAA reunited.

[Komo1ov]

Its called 'guts', and at least RA dropped supers in risky and uncertain situations quite a few times, unlike certain alliance(s) that they fought.
Though this doesnt change that fact that RA welped super fleets too many times in past months .

I had 'guts' mentioned by you with my faction fitted Redeemers when i had several billions on the wallet. Somehow my 'guts' disappeared when my wallet dried up. I think you got my train of thoughts.

[Omeega]

Point taken, having guts is easier when you represent 1% of EVE and own 99% of the tech.

[Komo1ov]

Does PL blue with RA atm?

[Stuckenschneider]

I'm still in a RUS corp, and Pandemic Legion is probably more Russian than WhiteNoise & AAA reunited.

There are more russian bittervets in eve than I imagined. What a horrible revelation.
Now I know where are all the russian "shit" alliances supercaps went, and how PL got so much of them.

[freijie]

I had 'guts' mentioned by you with my faction fitted Redeemers when i had several billions on the wallet. Somehow my 'guts' disappeared when my wallet dried up. I think you got my train of thoughts.

RA never had enough resources to fully reimburse fielded super fleets, you know?

[Komo1ov]

when you represent 1% of EVE.

Omeega on sikrit PL meeting somewhere:
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RA never had enough resources to fully reimburse fielded super fleets, you know?

Not AAA's fault. I see you didn't get me. Compare income flow for the last 6 months for RA and for AAA, taking in consideration AAA lost most of renters areas and two main system, most of JBs, including main route to empire and renters fled in all directions due to that.

While RA renters bots empire was stable and growing. And i should tell you i amused how some corps in REDC were renting several constellations in bulk to launch up to two dozens of bots simultaneously.

[Max B]

Omeega on sikrit PL meeting somewhere:
Attachment 2334

that more like Grath tbh

[Omeega]

There are more russian bittervets in eve, than I imagined. What a horrible revelation.
Now I know where are all the russian "shit" alliances supercaps went, and how PL got so much of them.

Don't make it a rule. We only took 10 pilots, for a total of 23 supers.

[Komo1ov]

that more like Grath tbh

I should say 'sorry' in advance because i have some other associations with Grath.

Attachment 2335

[freijie]

Not AAA's fault. I see you didn't get me. Compare income flow for the last 6 months for RA and for AAA.

I see you didn't get me either . If you have not enough resources to afford losing fielded scap fleet, every time you use it in uncertain conditions require guts. Prove me wrong.

[Evengard]

Komo1ov, have you forgot the fact that PL came AFTER AAA\ROL\SE attacked one rather famuous entry system?

Have you forgot that fact, that PL tengu fleet was in 1a8 on a final reinforce?? And that was in a middle of december.
You need to be completly dumb not to see that the rest is already in moving progress to save Botting Empire, as they actually could not do it themselves.

[Stuckenschneider]

Don't make it a rule. We only took 10 pilots, for a total of 23 supers.

So, PL is resposible for making -A- (and the like) shit.
And now some of their posters, like that Grath guy, are mad what before current hot rus on rus action they had no fun, because of shit alliances (the ones with not enough supers, or competent FCs) refuse to fight. Congratulations, you brought in on yourself.