Dev Players And The Action Taken, Or Lack Thereof, buncha CCP bullshit

[BOBISCAUGHT]

gonna paste the mod post below


Problems I have with this:

1. no names were admitted as to the characters involved. This should have been a public fucking execution of the people who knowingly stuck a large cock in every orifrice of every honest eve player.
2. no assurance given that BOB will no longer have access to privilaged information
3. removing the seemingly limited number of characters alluded to will not keep the afortamentioned info out of BOB hands
4. No action alluded to or taken to remove all the T2 BPO's BOB received via GM intervention and/or hacks and exploits
5. such as no access to Tranquility or special flagging on a developer’s player character -- would greatly hinder the development of EVE.
THIS IS BULLSHIT AND WILL ALLOW THIS ACTIVITY TO CONTINUE
6. WHY THE FUCK WERE THESE PEOPLE NOT FIRED??!!
7. like an american political candidate, what they said was designed to piss off the fewest number of people and will result in virtually zero constructive action
8. They got away with it and will continue to do so. No one will defeat BOB with this sickening amount of dev intervention(AKA unexplained lag, sploits, and all that rubbish). I am seriously considering removing my eve account due to the fact that no one has or will ever have a level playing field

Our goal is to provide the best possible game, gaming experience and development process possible. In light of that, we would like to address the recent allegations of CCP employee misconduct. CCP has taken these charges very seriously and since they surfaced we have launched a thorough investigation consisting of an examination of character histories ranging back to their creation as well as into any connected characters owned by the developers involved. This examination was performed by the same internal division which is also tasked with standard periodic audits of all developer and volunteer accounts. Areas of investigation include, but are not limited to: messaging history, financial and transactional history, combat and corporation logs, item and cash transfers and IP logs.

As for the allegations themselves, they consist of two parts. The first part involved a case that happened seven months ago when a CCP employee’s identity became public knowledge within his corporation. Per company policy, the incident was investigated and actions taken where appropriate, including the removal of characters whose identities were compromised.

The second part of the accusations stem from a leak of information pertaining to an in-game event arc. Due to the amount of time that has passed since the planning and execution of the event arc, we have not been able to confirm nor deny the veracity of these allegations.

In both cases, these accusations were recently brought forward when a player revealed the identity of numerous CCP employee characters. Since these play characters are known to belong to CCP employees, they will be removed from the game. Many of them have been around since the creation of EVE and it is most unfortunate that these developers are now forced to end their relationships with their in-game friends, but that is our policy when the anonymity of staff members has been compromised.

Last summer, CCP implemented stricter monitoring procedures and audits on all CCP employees’ EVE accounts. We are confident that our rigid procedures and protocol will prevent any misconduct or, at least, allow us to quickly discover it, should such an unfortunate scenario arise.

As the community knows well, we at CCP enjoy not only playing EVE Online, but improving EVE and interacting with our playerbase. We feel EVE benefits from the developers playing EVE as any other members of the community do, and to impose artificial limitations -- such as no access to Tranquility or special flagging on a developer’s player character -- would greatly hinder the development of EVE.

CCP is very passionate about EVE Online and is committed to its continued growth. We hope that this statement will put this issue behind us once and for all and allow us to continue moving forward with the support of our community.


kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online

[BLACK BOX]

moved to CAOD uncensored and approved, FLAME ON.

[foozzee]

i told you that they would stick the fingers in their ears and head in the sand and sing "shoot the messenger"

[Treylis]

I'm constantly refreshing that thread and it would be several pages longer now if not for the constant post deletion.

That's right, deletion, not editing-out.

[Treylis]

Also, Molle categorical denial:

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingamebo...868&page=5#130

Kieron,

Since people fail to have reading comprehension 101, could you please state, if ANY wrongdoings at all were found?


As for the rest of you lot,

We play the game on a high level, we have a high profile, this isnt the first accusations of cheat, hax, and god knows what else that has been flung at us. The tinfoil hattery is amazing, i know that you would love for us all to be framed for some conspiracy. Since we are all still here, all the accusations are totally baseless.

There will be devs in every alliance in the game, and i for one, do not wanna know who is a dev or not, i want them to be in the middle of everything, from lowlevel gaming, to highlevel gaming, so that they see the issues we all face, from day to day.

Face it, you love the drama and the conspiracy theories, and thats all there is, drama and conspiracy theories.

[MadCat]

Funny indeed that they are deleting posts instead of editing them. Guess it's too much trouble

[sinji]

The response is just laughable.
But well, i have better use for my money than pay for free-shard like game.

[User Name]

Guess that industrial alt I just made is never getting activated. I'm going to keep playing but no more recommendations about EVE and how great it is to my buddies

[Treylis]

So far 100% of my posts in that thread have been deleted. Open for discussion, yeah-fucking-right.

[BOBISCAUGHT]

So far 100% of my posts in that thread have been deleted. Open for discussion, yeah-fucking-right.

Get on the Gamers forums and tell them the Supression level you are recieving!

[Bushido Zin]

Anyone who can or wants to post in that thread about all the RARARARAR ILLEGAL METHODS OF OBTAINING DATA RARARARAR please feel free to bring up Katharine Gun, Daniel Ellsberg, Mordachei Vanunu or whoever else you feel like mentioning

[User Name]

Anyone who can or wants to post in that thread about all the RARARARAR ILLEGAL METHODS OF OBTAINING DATA RARARARAR please feel free to bring up Katharine Gun, Daniel Ellsberg, Mordachei Vanunu or whoever else you feel like mentioning

hahaha and have my posts deleted? no thanks

[Raevenor]

Hey Anthonyz, i hear those magazines might be still interested in what you have to say..

[King Matt]

This is not the CCP response I was looking for.

*waves hand over Eve Subscription*

[notAspy]

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingamebo...68&page=10#289

29 Jun 2005, Thryr Merim registered with RKK [BoB] with the e-mail address vincent@ccpgames.com

He rejoined as Ishos on Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:03 pm

Pilot: Ishos Rerajan (main / RKK)
Specialisation: Amarr
Licenced: Amarr BS, Amarr BC, Amarr Command Ships, Amarr Interdictors, Amarr Cloakers, Amarr HAC, Amarr Interceptors
Notes: Maxed out Armored Warfare + Command ships + mindlink

Pilot: Thryr Merim (main / RKK)
Specialisation: Caldari
Licenced: Caldari BS, Caldari BC, Caldari Interdictors, Caldari HAC, Caldari Freighters, Caldari Transport Ships, Caldari Interceptors
Notes: Maxed Out Missile Operation Skills

The below posted on RKK internal forum: Thryr Merim announces he is a dev:
(re. conversation about anew killboard)

Originally posted by:haze


I have thought about this a lot and not been able to come up with any solution.

Its the same problem with the game lots, as CCP dont do any kind of auth on the logs there is no way to authenticat them.

A simple md5 like hash on each log/killmail would be a nice and simple way for ccp to auth the logs, would make pettitions a lot dam simpler as well.

as it stands though I guess we are just going to have to deal with it the best we can.


Originally Posted by Thryr Merim
the system as it is today is a bit obsolete, it's a generated text and the logs only store the one that did most damage as a killer ... we've got plans to store everything in the logs ... more on that later ... low priority atm

Now if you search for vincent@ccpgames.com you find posts on french forums as t20.



t20 was Ishos
t20 was in charge of RKK Capital Ship Command
t20 when forced to leave RKK, left 10 T2 BPO behind him.
t20 witness all the RKK EULA abuse, char resale, etc. (alleged)
t20 is really close to Oveur and they are often seen together on Sisi in local.

Quess which dev apparently was the one who created the T2 BPO lottery system in the first place...Yep, I'm one of those who is also closing his account.

[King Matt]

So he didn't give RKK T2 BPO's, he gave them T20 BPO's...


HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHAHAH HAHHHA

and on that note, I bid you all good night

See you in another game o7

[Fourqueue]

> > >

[Armois Delgato]

The more RAGoon-friendlies that close their accounts, the less true abuse I have to put up with!

This is some kind of glorious win/win situation for the honorable space-knights of the new regions and the South.

Also: [insert standard spiel about GMs/devs in 0.0 being an overall good thing and that there is zero tangible proof of wrongdoing shown thusfar]

[Raste]

We have determined that we did nothing wrong. Some of our noble heros had their covers blown though, and will be forever banished from the virtual home that we love so much, Eve. One second, I'm overcome with passion.

k, back.

Anyway, aside from Kugutsumen going Scooter Libby on our passionate devs, nobody did anything wrong, but our dev characters are paying the ultimate price. We will have them start infiltrating again asap as we cannot contain their passion, and advise that they stick to voicecoms in the future.

o7
Kieron

ps I think you're all retards and keep sending us your cash tia.

Hmm, pretty weak. Not "cancel my accounts" bad, but very Sony-esque, and CCP is a little small to be going soulless.

I mean, cry me a fucking river for your employees that couldn't keep their mouths shut. And don't try to pin it on passion when you come out after a couple days of "investigation" with a calculated response that makes me yearn for the sincerity of Scott McClellan.

[Aneu Angellus]

Dianabolic
Reikoku
Band of Brothers Posted - 2007.02.07 13:53:00 - [347] - Quote
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sign up to your local witch hunta >>>>>>>>>>>> THATTAWAY!!!



Must make a new sig now, laughing my sweet ass off at all of you haters.

muahahahahahahah

Typical bob muppet.

[Nekumi]

Anyone got any info on ebaying my characters or should I just talk to DBP directly?

[Raste]

try having a community burning your alliance at the stake because of unproven allegations towards < 5 members.

The irony is strong with this one.

[Bushido Zin]

The irony is strong with this one.

wait thats an actual quote? from a bob member? This makes my week.



Also this has probably been the largest instance of devs being so oblivious to the issues in their game since "Lets ban everyone with duped money" and "Teleport the Dissenters to space"

[Raste]

wait thats an actual quote? from a bob member? This makes my week.

Yeah: http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?...471868#6288580 about 1/4 of the way down the page.

[Valekrin]

First, no hacking was made anywhere that concerns CCP. CCP has no right to punish someone for hacking a forum over which they have no ownership. As far as I know they banned him for disclosing personal information here. Which is inside their right but the same should be applied to Molle for fairness sake.

Second, the means are not more important than the infraction. Sorry, but private forum infiltration and hacking are exactly the same in my view. They are just two different means to accomplish a dirty work.


Berious
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm Posted - 2007.02.07 19:34:00 - [643] - Quote

this is probably the best question in the thread

[foozzee]

Second, the means are not more important than the infraction. Sorry, but private forum infiltration and hacking are exactly the same in my view. They are just two different means to accomplish a dirty work.

in most countries computer laws pretexting(getting access through impersonation and deception) have the same punishment scale and is regarded as hacking in the eyes of the law.

[goonygoon]

in indonesia their laws are lax when it comes to this

the last time i checked it isn't ccp's job to enforce international law

[k]

Actually in developing countries scamming, social engineering and infiltration a la bob is actually against the law and much more common than computer crime.

Btw... funny noone ever asked where I got the reikoku db dump from...

[MadCat]

Actually in developing countries scamming, social engineering and infiltration a la bob is actually against the law and much more common than computer crime.

Btw... funny noone ever asked where I got the reikoku db dump from...

So ah, where'd you get it from? :P

[Treylis]

Actually in developing countries scamming, social engineering and infiltration a la bob is actually against the law and much more common than computer crime.

Btw... funny noone ever asked where I got the reikoku db dump from...

People keep chanting "pretexting" over and over but it's not sinking in.

And, yes, tell us.

[Bushido Zin]

Yeah: http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?...471868#6288580 about 1/4 of the way down the page.

I love you.

People keep chanting "pretexting" over and over but it's not sinking in.

And, yes, tell us.

Yeah I was basically shouting it over and over and so was my roomate, I think the only time anyone replied to it they just posted a rolleyes and made some vague statement about how hacking is against the law. Then I had an anyeurism

[lindberg]

Typical bob muppet.

Let him laugh , if CCP really is goin to do nada ill send them some account names to ban for buying them on Ebay .

Sometimes it comes in handy having played with people who deceide to call it a day and sell em on ebay . Might seem my patience pays off after all

Edit : for spelling

[Alt]

WTB tech 2 rug so I can sweep things under it..

I wonder if CCP will sell me theirs