Nulli Secunda: Nominee For Worst Alliance Posting of 2012

**Fedaykin055** · 2012-01-13

Originally Posted by Sterling Jack

Okay I'm shocked no one has posted this;

?[ 2012.01.10 12:12:41 ] teroarea > one moment
?[ 2012.01.10 12:13:00 ] teroarea > Imuniser for translate
?[ 2012.01.10 12:13:04 ] Imuniser > hi
?[ 2012.01.10 12:13:17 ] Racksforus > What is your position in ROL?
?[ 2012.01.10 12:13:22 ] Racksforus > exec?
?[ 2012.01.10 12:13:35 ] teroarea > me ?
?[ 2012.01.10 12:14:03 ] Racksforus > yes
?[ 2012.01.10 12:14:11 ] Imuniser > teroarea is the alliance leader
?[ 2012.01.10 12:14:22 ] Racksforus > Ok, what happend to space debris?
?[ 2012.01.10 12:14:47 ] teroarea > spatiul de la polaris era atacat de noi
?[ 2012.01.10 12:14:54 ] teroarea > mai excatd e baieti mei de pe us time
?[ 2012.01.10 12:15:19 ] teroarea > voi ati venit si ati inceput sa aruncati tcu-uri in spatiu
?[ 2012.01.10 12:15:21 ] teroarea > delve
?[ 2012.01.10 12:15:21 ] Imuniser > the polaris space was attacked by us, by the US tz RL guys to be exact
?[ 2012.01.10 12:15:40 ] Racksforus > You also lost polaris space
?[ 2012.01.10 12:15:44 ] Racksforus > when u lost it
?[ 2012.01.10 12:15:49 ] Racksforus > u told us we could take it
?[ 2012.01.10 12:15:52 ] Racksforus > so now we have
?[ 2012.01.10 12:15:55 ] Imuniser > then you came and begun to throw TCUs in space, delve
?[ 2012.01.10 12:15:58 ] Racksforus > u have aboslutely no influence in delve
?[ 2012.01.10 12:16:01 ] Racksforus > and will not get it again
?[ 2012.01.10 12:16:12 ] Racksforus > its not your space
?[ 2012.01.10 12:16:17 ] Racksforus > u have nothing to do here anymore
?[ 2012.01.10 12:16:25 ] Racksforus > you could not defend it
?[ 2012.01.10 12:16:38 ] teroarea > cind ati atacat voi polaris ca sa luati spatiu acolo ?
?[ 2012.01.10 12:16:40 ] Racksforus > and you even wanted to give it all to us, as u where losing it
?[ 2012.01.10 12:16:53 ] Imuniser > when did you attack polaris to get space there?
?[ 2012.01.10 12:16:56 ] Racksforus > so now that polaris have left, and we have taken it from there, u cannot just come up and ask for it
?[ 2012.01.10 12:17:14 ] Racksforus > i did not, i talked to them, and they handed it over to us when they left
?[ 2012.01.10 12:17:29 ] Racksforus > i dont even know why im talking to you about it .. YOU LOST THE SPACE!
?[ 2012.01.10 12:17:29 ] teroarea > eu il atac de o luna spatiul ala
?[ 2012.01.10 12:17:37 ] Racksforus > you cant just come and ask for it back
?[ 2012.01.10 12:17:40 ] Racksforus > thats not how things work
?[ 2012.01.10 12:17:54 ] Imuniser > i am attacking that space for a month now
?[ 2012.01.10 12:17:59 ] Racksforus > if you do not want our help saving your space, let me know, and we will stop sendign fleets.
?[ 2012.01.10 12:18:12 ] Racksforus > lol no you have not
?[ 2012.01.10 12:18:19 ] teroarea > NU AI TRIMIS NICI O FLOTA
?[ 2012.01.10 12:18:22 ] Racksforus > its not been in reinfoce once
?[ 2012.01.10 12:18:31 ] teroarea > DOAR TE-AI FACUT CA TRIMITI FLOTE
?[ 2012.01.10 12:18:39 ] Imuniser > YOU HAVE NOT SENT ANY FLEETS
?[ 2012.01.10 12:18:52 ] Imuniser > YOU'VE JUST PRETENDED YOU WERE SENDING THEM
?[ 2012.01.10 12:18:58 ] Racksforus > are you fucking kiding me? http://killboard.nullisecunda.com/?a...l&kll_id=61696
?[ 2012.01.10 12:19:04 ] Racksforus > http://killboard.nullisecunda.com/?a...l&kll_id=61693
?[ 2012.01.10 12:19:10 ] Racksforus > Listen
?[ 2012.01.10 12:19:23 ] Racksforus > i dont really care for the way you are treating me...
?[ 2012.01.10 12:19:34 ] Racksforus > if you are not intersted in having nulli as an allie
?[ 2012.01.10 12:19:41 ] Racksforus > we can just go ahead and reset? do you want to do that
?[ 2012.01.10 12:19:45 ] teroarea > hei azn is not in PB
?[ 2012.01.10 12:20:04 ] teroarea > u confused .. ROL IS NOT RL
?[ 2012.01.10 12:20:15 ] Imuniser > we are Romanian-Legion
?[ 2012.01.10 12:20:18 ] Racksforus > oh well fuck
?[ 2012.01.10 12:20:23 ] Racksforus > that makes it even more easy
?[ 2012.01.10 12:20:28 ] Racksforus > you are NOT taking that space
?[ 2012.01.10 12:20:43 ] Racksforus > done.
?[ 2012.01.10 12:21:07 ] teroarea > situatia nu va ramane asa ... good luck
?[ 2012.01.10 12:21:23 ] Imuniser > the situation will not remain this way ... good luck
?[ 2012.01.10 12:21:23 ] Racksforus > we are taking the space and keeping it, the space have only been sbu'd by you one time, and you never reinfoced it
?[ 2012.01.10 12:21:33 ] Racksforus > ill reset u right now then
?[ 2012.01.10 12:21:47 ] Racksforus > ok?

A few quick observations can be made;
1) Racksforus is a douche, but that's not shocking he was when he is in CoW, and people don't change that much.
2) Short-tempered eastern europeans with a limited grasp of english should not act as diplomats.
3) Great humor can be taken in the fact its only in the last few lines with the reset does either side have any idea what the other is even remotely talking about.

RL has to be kick'n themselves for letting Stain Empire talk them into letting Triple A's pets (Nulli) have the 1-N pocket last February.
With Nulli having x3 the numbers (including Tertius) of RL, it can't end well unless Coven and SE ride to the rescue. Unfortunately as they never wanted RL to move out of Eso/Stain to PB not sure if that is gonna happen.

Well Teroarea is known for his short temper, good rages (leaving the fleet in the middle of nowhere if they get kicked) and lack of english.
Also today or tomorrow Vera Cruz will reset RL too.

The main problem of RL beside numbers is that they lack proper fleet concepts, their pilots are underskilled as they haven't been asked to train properly for a ship ever (not taking into account the drake, which is the fleet the know to fly best), and lack of FC's except teroarea. Their close to competent ones left RL a few months ago and now they are left with just teroarea.

**grover clevland** · 2012-01-13

mebbe someone will come help rl and we can get some real fighting in period basis instead of nulli play time...

**Jm24** · 2012-01-13

In before delvegoons deploy, o wai

**Mr Coloredshirt** · 2012-01-13

For me it's not about whether the fuck people are offended or not.

I don't give a shit.

I just didn't think Nulli were that fucking retarded [kugu shitposts included]. I've been here for a long time now and this being racist thing makes us look like fucking moronic assholes when in actual fact I think we're a pretty chill group of spacebros.

If you want to turn this into a steaming pile of shit of an alliance. Please, get the fuck out and join goons.

Calling someone a Gypsy isn't even that funny or clever.

P.S Get off your fucking high horses. We're an okay alliance who destroy shitty alliances but don't let this faux-elite pish get you all high and mighty about S2N WE SO GUD AT EVE YO! It wouldn't take much to cubstomp us the fuck out of our home.

So shut up.

Nuke thread.

**Mr Coloredshirt** · 2012-01-13

Dear Ravans,

You are probably a retard. I say probably because I consider myself to be a man of reason and science and there remains the small statistical chance that you are, in fact, of average intellectual prowess. I am, however, convinced that you are in fact, retarded to such a degree that I'm amazed you didn't just wake up this morning and had your keyboard for breakfast.

Please note that on the long list of reasons for which you should be locked screaming in a small box and thrown in the ocean, your ethnicity and creed comes very far down the list. You're an ill-mannered fuckstick. The fact that you are also a sheep-fucking, in-bred, Zealander is of little consequence. You are however making a very unfortunate example as a representative of your nation of drooling manchildren. In this day and age of rampant online racism, that might be enough reason to tar your unfortunate fellow-hobbits with the very same brush. They have enough on their plate as is, what with being a bunch of walking speech-impediments and everything. (I've endured plenty of those commentary tracks, please stop adding 'R' everywhere, it's a bad letter and it's not wanted.)

Before you ask, you dung-smeared excuse for a human being, I am not mad. I'm not offended on someone elses behalf. I am not even upset. I am, though, a little bit disappointed. I assumed, in my ignorance, that even a piss-drinking stool-sample of your calibre would have taken my goodposting examples to heart and ceased the weak fucking stuff that is a throwaway insult like 'gypsy.'

I couldn't give any more watery of a shit about someone being sad someone else trolled some third one on the internet, but if you're going to insult someone, fucking do it properly. Fuck them like your grandpappy fucked over the Maori. We're better than 'gypsy' - you don't go bringing a raven to a geddonfleet so why on god's green earth would you go gypsy-gypsy-gypsy in local like some kind of nine-year old dickjuggler?

So do me a favor, you Kiwi cumpit, step your fucking game up.

love,

ps. Flight of the Conchords is not good and you shouldn't feel good about it

**teds** · 2012-01-13

haha who is that?

**Mr Coloredshirt** · 2012-01-13

That last post was made by posting prowess "Ravcharas" of [GREYC]. Calling people out for being racist while writing things like "sheep-fucking, in-bred, Zealander". classy as a fucking toaster

edit, first post was by "YoshiKumiko", also [GREYC]

editedit, will post entire thread on foreplay in a bit, it is fairly phenomenal.

**teds** · 2012-01-13

lots of big words and punctuations and things though so B+ for effort!

**Jm24** · 2012-01-13

Stop being racist to the gypsies ok

**Marivauder** · 2012-01-13

Gypsyies is racist, damn

Travelling homeless people Band are a good alliance though

**grover clevland** · 2012-01-13

Originally Posted by Mr Coloredshirt

For me it's not about whether the fuck people are offended or not.

I don't give a shit.

I just didn't think Nulli were that fucking retarded [kugu shitposts included]. I've been here for a long time now and this being racist thing makes us look like fucking moronic assholes when in actual fact I think we're a pretty chill group of spacebros.

If you want to turn this into a steaming pile of shit of an alliance. Please, get the fuck out and join goons.

Calling someone a Gypsy isn't even that funny or clever.

P.S Get off your fucking high horses. We're an okay alliance who destroy shitty alliances but don't let this faux-elite pish get you all high and mighty about S2N WE SO GUD AT EVE YO! It wouldn't take much to cubstomp us the fuck out of our home.

So shut up.

Nuke thread.

(edited because I didn't realize you were posting someone else's forum post - look forward to the foreplay thread)

P.S. Best thread evah.

C

Blawashere · 2012-01-13

How has this shitty thread not been nuked yet?

**progodlegend** · 2012-01-13

Originally Posted by Sterling Jack

Okay I'm shocked no one has posted this;

?[ 2012.01.10 12:12:41 ] teroarea > one moment
?[ 2012.01.10 12:13:00 ] teroarea > Imuniser for translate
?[ 2012.01.10 12:13:04 ] Imuniser > hi
?[ 2012.01.10 12:13:17 ] Racksforus > What is your position in ROL?
?[ 2012.01.10 12:13:22 ] Racksforus > exec?
?[ 2012.01.10 12:13:35 ] teroarea > me ?
?[ 2012.01.10 12:14:03 ] Racksforus > yes
?[ 2012.01.10 12:14:11 ] Imuniser > teroarea is the alliance leader
?[ 2012.01.10 12:14:22 ] Racksforus > Ok, what happend to space debris?
?[ 2012.01.10 12:14:47 ] teroarea > spatiul de la polaris era atacat de noi
?[ 2012.01.10 12:14:54 ] teroarea > mai excatd e baieti mei de pe us time
?[ 2012.01.10 12:15:19 ] teroarea > voi ati venit si ati inceput sa aruncati tcu-uri in spatiu
?[ 2012.01.10 12:15:21 ] teroarea > delve
?[ 2012.01.10 12:15:21 ] Imuniser > the polaris space was attacked by us, by the US tz RL guys to be exact
?[ 2012.01.10 12:15:40 ] Racksforus > You also lost polaris space
?[ 2012.01.10 12:15:44 ] Racksforus > when u lost it
?[ 2012.01.10 12:15:49 ] Racksforus > u told us we could take it
?[ 2012.01.10 12:15:52 ] Racksforus > so now we have
?[ 2012.01.10 12:15:55 ] Imuniser > then you came and begun to throw TCUs in space, delve
?[ 2012.01.10 12:15:58 ] Racksforus > u have aboslutely no influence in delve
?[ 2012.01.10 12:16:01 ] Racksforus > and will not get it again
?[ 2012.01.10 12:16:12 ] Racksforus > its not your space
?[ 2012.01.10 12:16:17 ] Racksforus > u have nothing to do here anymore
?[ 2012.01.10 12:16:25 ] Racksforus > you could not defend it
?[ 2012.01.10 12:16:38 ] teroarea > cind ati atacat voi polaris ca sa luati spatiu acolo ?
?[ 2012.01.10 12:16:40 ] Racksforus > and you even wanted to give it all to us, as u where losing it
?[ 2012.01.10 12:16:53 ] Imuniser > when did you attack polaris to get space there?
?[ 2012.01.10 12:16:56 ] Racksforus > so now that polaris have left, and we have taken it from there, u cannot just come up and ask for it
?[ 2012.01.10 12:17:14 ] Racksforus > i did not, i talked to them, and they handed it over to us when they left
?[ 2012.01.10 12:17:29 ] Racksforus > i dont even know why im talking to you about it .. YOU LOST THE SPACE!
?[ 2012.01.10 12:17:29 ] teroarea > eu il atac de o luna spatiul ala
?[ 2012.01.10 12:17:37 ] Racksforus > you cant just come and ask for it back
?[ 2012.01.10 12:17:40 ] Racksforus > thats not how things work
?[ 2012.01.10 12:17:54 ] Imuniser > i am attacking that space for a month now
?[ 2012.01.10 12:17:59 ] Racksforus > if you do not want our help saving your space, let me know, and we will stop sendign fleets.
?[ 2012.01.10 12:18:12 ] Racksforus > lol no you have not
?[ 2012.01.10 12:18:19 ] teroarea > NU AI TRIMIS NICI O FLOTA
?[ 2012.01.10 12:18:22 ] Racksforus > its not been in reinfoce once
?[ 2012.01.10 12:18:31 ] teroarea > DOAR TE-AI FACUT CA TRIMITI FLOTE
?[ 2012.01.10 12:18:39 ] Imuniser > YOU HAVE NOT SENT ANY FLEETS
?[ 2012.01.10 12:18:52 ] Imuniser > YOU'VE JUST PRETENDED YOU WERE SENDING THEM
?[ 2012.01.10 12:18:58 ] Racksforus > are you fucking kiding me? http://killboard.nullisecunda.com/?a...l&kll_id=61696
?[ 2012.01.10 12:19:04 ] Racksforus > http://killboard.nullisecunda.com/?a...l&kll_id=61693
?[ 2012.01.10 12:19:10 ] Racksforus > Listen
?[ 2012.01.10 12:19:23 ] Racksforus > i dont really care for the way you are treating me...
?[ 2012.01.10 12:19:34 ] Racksforus > if you are not intersted in having nulli as an allie
?[ 2012.01.10 12:19:41 ] Racksforus > we can just go ahead and reset? do you want to do that
?[ 2012.01.10 12:19:45 ] teroarea > hei azn is not in PB
?[ 2012.01.10 12:20:04 ] teroarea > u confused .. ROL IS NOT RL
?[ 2012.01.10 12:20:15 ] Imuniser > we are Romanian-Legion
?[ 2012.01.10 12:20:18 ] Racksforus > oh well fuck
?[ 2012.01.10 12:20:23 ] Racksforus > that makes it even more easy
?[ 2012.01.10 12:20:28 ] Racksforus > you are NOT taking that space
?[ 2012.01.10 12:20:43 ] Racksforus > done.
?[ 2012.01.10 12:21:07 ] teroarea > situatia nu va ramane asa ... good luck
?[ 2012.01.10 12:21:23 ] Imuniser > the situation will not remain this way ... good luck
?[ 2012.01.10 12:21:23 ] Racksforus > we are taking the space and keeping it, the space have only been sbu'd by you one time, and you never reinfoced it
?[ 2012.01.10 12:21:33 ] Racksforus > ill reset u right now then
?[ 2012.01.10 12:21:47 ] Racksforus > ok?

A few quick observations can be made;
1) Racksforus is a douche, but that's not shocking he was when he is in CoW, and people don't change that much.
2) Short-tempered eastern europeans with a limited grasp of english should not act as diplomats.
3) Great humor can be taken in the fact its only in the last few lines with the reset does either side have any idea what the other is even remotely talking about.

RL has to be kick'n themselves for letting Stain Empire talk them into letting Triple A's pets (Nulli) have the 1-N pocket last February.
With Nulli having x3 the numbers (including Tertius) of RL, it can't end well unless Coven and SE ride to the rescue. Unfortunately as they never wanted RL to move out of Eso/Stain to PB not sure if that is gonna happen.

your an idiot

that chat log is awesome.

**Agathor** · 2012-01-13

2) Short-tempered eastern europeans with a limited grasp of english should not act as diplomats.

That was always the beauty with the south, all of sudden you are at war with your neighbour. Nobody knows why really, nobody cares. Just some crazy slavic that comes on TS and says: I have no idea what they said but they offended my space honour. Then you just x up for their fleet.

**Ymir** · 2012-01-13

Originally Posted by Agathor

That was always the beauty with the south, all of sudden you are at war with your neighbour. Nobody knows why really, nobody cares. Just some crazy slavic that comes on TS and says: I have no idea what they said but they offended my space honour. Then you just x up for their fleet.

Tru dat ... Angry Russians = Best Russians.

**Konev** · 2012-01-13

yeah so apparently gypsy has a very different meaning in europe than NZ (caravan dwellers here, usually have travelling fairs and are not troublesome)

however i find the reaction to that thread fucking hilarious, some people are just wound up far too tight. enjoy the foreplay content.

go go cultural differences.

can we let this thread die now?

**Agathor** · 2012-01-13

Originally Posted by Konev

can we let this thread die now?

Nope, this thread is getting better.

**Yue** · 2012-01-13

Originally Posted by Konev

can we let this thread die now?

Only good thread right now, wants it dead?

Oh....S2N, no wonder.

**Some Market Dude** · 2012-01-13

gypsy is definitely worth taking a stand over instead of just ignoring it...

also, giving spacenerds an excuse to dramabomb each other is a great way to keep your alliance healthy

**Far** · 2012-01-13

Reasons I can't stay mad at this thread:

- Hilarious downsplomacy, aka "Who are you? Blue? Not any more."
- Nulli being clear favourite for 2011 "Most Improved Alliance" faggie.
- Frank Zappa quotes

**Desert Punk** · 2012-01-13

Nulli presses the reset button.

**Adri** · 2012-01-13

so, for us ignorant uhmer'cans, what is the politically correct equivalent of 'gypsy'?

**Yue** · 2012-01-13

Originally Posted by Adri

so, for us ignorant uhmer'cans, what is the politically correct equivalent of 'gypsy'?

I'd go with Romanian dudes or something.

**Agathor** · 2012-01-13

Originally Posted by Adri

so, for us ignorant uhmer'cans, what is the politically correct equivalent of 'gypsy'?

Them being called travellers cant be that old. We have called them sígaunar for centuries and I first heard the word "traveller" in Knuckle about a month ago.

**Konev** · 2012-01-13

Originally Posted by Yue

I'd go with Romanian dudes or something.

whole load of politically correct splurging coming your way with that comment.

**Yue** · 2012-01-13

Originally Posted by Konev

whole load of politically correct splurging coming your way with that comment.

Highly likely.

**Agathor** · 2012-01-13

Is this a hate song now?

**Eskalin** · 2012-01-14

fleetwood mac is always a hatecrime

**Horus** · 2012-01-14

go go null2, teroara is one of most idiotic leader i ever see in eve, and RL are shit. take theyr space and grow more. they dont deserve it

also the truth, is null2 is growing and becoming a good alliance, they need more space, and they cant attack cascade or evoke, only expansion possible is RL space, wich are a terrible and bad leaded alliance. so they needed only a casus belli.
win win situation here, bye bye RL, and more space for a growing null2

**teds** · 2012-01-14

itt; horus talking about idiotic leadersip

**Horus** · 2012-01-14

Originally Posted by teds

itt; horus talking about idiotic leadersip

Funny isn't it ?, neverthless is leadership.

**Konev** · 2012-01-14

Originally Posted by teds

itt; horus talking about idiotic leadersip

in the defence of horus (god help me for my crime), it takes one to see one

**Magere** · 2012-01-14

Counterpoint: That makes us all nazi otherkin soulbonder pedophiles.

**Magere** · 2012-01-14

If you don't know what a soulbonder is you should totally Google Dark Lady Celebrian (or just click here) and have a laugh.

**Makia Velli** · 2012-01-14

For a while I felt like I should stay out of this thread, but as it was our former pocket of space that started this latest episode I feel like i can contribute something to this.

First of all

on southern politics and all this pets and overlords crap. When we started to poke Period Basis out of pure boredom and started that little slapfight of a war with Romanian Legion they started to howl on all possible channels for back ups and bros to come fight the evil hordes. We knew this would happen and even hoped for it.. There were some ~good fights~ and ROL, SE and some other southern entities came to rescue RL. I´m not saying we were alone in this either, of course we had bros too who just waited for this to escalate.

We had pretty much guessed that RL would immediately go and ask S2N to go hit those crazy finns in the head and make them stop. Nulli guys are not stupid and they knew that if a real threat would come to Polaris their bros Ev0ke would join the fun. They pretty much guessed that the operation was just something to pass the time and nobody really wanted to kick RL or VCRUZ out of PB. So I guess they said to Romanians that they should take care of their own business. And again I can only guess that RL leadership bitched and moaned some more about back up and how S2N is morally obliged to help and all that crap..

After some losses and general faggotry they (RL) wanted to talk with us (Polaris dudes) and offered NIP and said nice things and brought flowers and chocolate cake.. Our cold hearts warmed to them and we said "ok we wont drop SBU:s anymore, you can jew in peace".

We respect S2N greatly cos they always wanted to brawl with us, and they are no sperging asshats in general. They dont whine bout little things and from my point of view try to be active and do something else in this game than just grind endless sanctums and havens. Thats why we practicly gave our space to them and left Delve. Delve and surrounding regions are pretty damn boring at the moment. Everyone has NIPs, NAPs and whatnots in place.. Most of the dudes that live near are asshats that spew shit in local, but dont really wanna do anything. It´s nice to have friends and all but to me it just kills all the fun out of the game if you are surrounded by regions and regions of blues. Thats why we left vOv

I hope S2N can have some fun, and from my perspective that reset was certainly a step to the right direction.

**Don Peyote** · 2012-01-14

Originally Posted by Agathor

Them being called travellers cant be that old. We have called them sígaunar for centuries and I first heard the word "traveller" in Knuckle about a month ago.

Afaik it's Romanies or Roma for Romanian Gypsies, and Travellers for Irish Gypsies.

In the UK though they're usually called "Those fucking pikey cunts", at least by Daily Express readers, so I'm not sure

**progodlegend** · 2012-01-15

Originally Posted by Makia Velli

We had pretty much guessed that RL would immediately go and ask S2N to go hit those crazy finns in the head and make them stop. Nulli guys are not stupid and they knew that if a real threat would come to Polaris their bros Ev0ke would join the fun. They pretty much guessed that the operation was just something to pass the time and nobody really wanted to kick RL or VCRUZ out of PB. So I guess they said to Romanians that they should take care of their own business. And again I can only guess that RL leadership bitched and moaned some more about back up and how S2N is morally obliged to help and all that crap..

This is completely 100% correct. Even the last guess was correct. Wow, very nice.

**Burnes** · 2012-01-15

?[ 2012.01.10 12:20:04 ] teroarea > u confused .. ROL IS NOT RL
?[ 2012.01.10 12:20:15 ] Imuniser > we are Romanian-Legion
?[ 2012.01.10 12:20:18 ] Racksforus > oh well fuck
?[ 2012.01.10 12:20:23 ] Racksforus > that makes it even more easy

Man...15 minutes of conversation only to go "Huh? You aren't who I thought you were? In that case fuck off." This Racksforus guy sounds like a real dumbshit to me.

Teroarea was always pretty chill when I flew with him. Of course, I don't speak Romanian and his English is limited, so he could have been making fun of me the whole time. But I found his bunch very friendly and easy-going, win or lose.

**Makia Velli** · 2012-01-15

If you take conversation out of the context you can make almost everyone look like raving lunatic vOv As I tried to explain on my first post a lot had happend even before that conversation. I have always find Racksforus a chill dude to talk to all nulli diplos for that matter..

**Fedaykin055** · 2012-01-15

Originally Posted by Yue

I'd go with Romanian dudes or something.

From a guy who knows better:

Romanian/s=romanian ethnics
RRomas=those gypsy you talk about so much, as a mater of fact they might not be called like this anymore exactly because of the confusion that's going rampant through Europe. They might be called their old (a few dozen years) name of tigani.

**Fedaykin055** · 2012-01-15

Originally Posted by Burnes

Man...15 minutes of conversation only to go "Huh? You aren't who I thought you were? In that case fuck off." This Racksforus guy sounds like a real dumbshit to me.

Teroarea was always pretty chill when I flew with him. Of course, I don't speak Romanian and his English is limited, so he could have been making fun of me the whole time. But I found his bunch very friendly and easy-going, win or lose.

I think you don't know teroarea too well. He should be slaped in the face first and the stripped of his diplomatic roles in RL if the want to have a chance to survive. He's one of the most arrogant, stubborn and short tempered ppl i know in this game. Also you din't witnessed any of his full rage mods when he loses a fight or anything?

**Dunarad** · 2012-01-15

Damn gypsies! Dey nerver done anything good!

**Sean Alenko** · 2012-01-15

Pavee is another common name used for Irish gypsies.

**StevieTopSiders** · 2012-01-15

Confirming gypsies do good stuff:

**Burnes** · 2012-01-15

Originally Posted by Fedaykin055

I think you don't know teroarea too well. He should be slaped in the face first and the stripped of his diplomatic roles in RL if the want to have a chance to survive. He's one of the most arrogant, stubborn and short tempered ppl i know in this game. Also you din't witnessed any of his full rage mods when he loses a fight or anything?

I was present in a fair number of one-sided losses when they were trying to take sov in Esoteria from KIA/Goons back in the day. We lost about 2/3 of our fights, but didn't see anything memorable in terms of rage. And the guys who spoke both Romanian and English well were chatting along normally, so I doubt they were getting ripped on their comms.

Just one man's experience, take it for what its worth.

**Traakile** · 2012-01-15

Originally Posted by Burnes

I was present in a fair number of one-sided losses when they were trying to take sov in Esoteria from KIA/Goons back in the day. We lost about 2/3 of our fights, but didn't see anything memorable in terms of rage. And the guys who spoke both Romanian and English well were chatting along normally, so I doubt they were getting ripped on their comms.

Just one man's experience, take it for what its worth.

All that Tech is blinding you, man. You gotta let go of the oppression that is Technetium, and like, set yourself free.

man.

**Yue** · 2012-01-15

Originally Posted by Traakile

All that Tech is blinding you, man. You gotta let go of the oppression that is Technetium, and like, set yourself free.

man.

heh.

**Mr Coloredshirt** · 2012-01-17

so nulli has some spy stuff going on and are leaking stuff to their members, so to steal all their rep before they post it on K here it is:

We'll begin with the buying of G-DON from DNS, and I'll post more shit when I'm feeling not lazy

Originally Posted by Sage Eveo

Gents,

G-D will be transferred to WTF, keeping iHUB upgrades in tact (L5) at a cost of 4b (a little steep; but haggled from an original demand for 9b - wtf?). Please cancel any immediate ops for G-D timers and offline SBUs at first opportunity done.

At some point in the coming days, sov will be dropped in that system and we'll need to a) online a TCU and b) shoot and rep the station.

Many Thanks,

// sage

Originally Posted by yui khason

Don't tell me we're giving DNS blue status also?

,Yui

Originally Posted by sage eveo

lol, fuck no. Did I say we were... :

PS. I should post you some of my convo logs with DNSBLACK... the guy makes me giggle.

Originally Posted by kon3

Throw it up the pentagon pls

Originally Posted by Levistus junior

Better here or leadership lounge rather. Everybody deserves a laugh :P

Originally Posted by darkslacer

Plz tell me he was waving his EPEEN in the convo logs

Originally Posted by sage eveo

Originally Posted by DNSblack

2011.09.08 20:54:39 ] DNSBLACK > So you guys are going to give it another urn
?[ 2011.09.08 20:54:41 ] DNSBLACK > run
?[ 2011.09.08 20:55:03 ] Sage Eveo > whats that ?
?[ 2011.09.08 20:55:15 ] DNSBLACK > G-D
?[ 2011.09.08 20:55:22 ] DNSBLACK > you have sbu going up again
?[ 2011.09.08 20:55:38 ] DNSBLACK > You sure you dont want to save the isk lost
?[ 2011.09.08 20:56:49 ] Sage Eveo > arr G-D... yeah sure... its on the to do list

?[ 2011.09.08 20:59:09 ] DNSBLACK > http://dirtnapsquad.eve-kill.net/?a=...ll_id=10603396
?[ 2011.09.08 20:59:24 ] DNSBLACK > ok your losses and our losses taken away
?[ 2011.09.08 20:59:32 ] DNSBLACK > that puts it around 9 bil
?[ 2011.09.08 20:59:50 ] DNSBLACK > difference
?[ 2011.09.08 21:00:19 ] DNSBLACK > How about we sell you the ihub and station for 9 bil
?[ 2011.09.08 21:00:33 ] DNSBLACK > and you walk away with all the upgrades in
?[ 2011.09.08 21:01:31 ] DNSBLACK > all level 5
?[ 2011.09.08 21:01:38 ] DNSBLACK > plus cyno upgrade
?[ 2011.09.08 21:01:59 ] DNSBLACK > The up side for you is you dont have to lose another fight and waste you guys time
?[ 2011.09.08 21:02:09 ] Sage Eveo > 9b's a bit steep for a system thats obviously going to fall... come on
?[ 2011.09.08 21:02:14 ] DNSBLACK > and you get a fully upgraded station system
?[ 2011.09.08 21:02:25 ] DNSBLACK > well make me a counter
?[ 2011.09.08 21:02:34 ] DNSBLACK > i put the first number out there
?[ 2011.09.08 21:02:41 ] DNSBLACK > well fall maybe
?[ 2011.09.08 21:03:21 ] DNSBLACK > remeber all US TZ timers and if you start now you will have to come back 6 times to finish
?[ 2011.09.08 21:03:48 ] DNSBLACK > Thinl of your time and your cost
?[ 2011.09.08 21:03:54 ] DNSBLACK > 9 bil is cheap as hell
?[ 2011.09.08 21:04:05 ] Sage Eveo > all Level 5 upgrades ? You realise we'll need an alt corp to transfer that yeah
?[ 2011.09.08 21:04:26 ] DNSBLACK > i have one ready
?[ 2011.09.08 21:04:35 ] DNSBLACK > the station is easy
?[ 2011.09.08 21:04:52 ] DNSBLACK > we drop our TCU
?[ 2011.09.08 21:04:56 ] DNSBLACK > you put yours up
?[ 2011.09.08 21:05:05 ] DNSBLACK > and shoot station
?[ 2011.09.08 21:05:35 ] DNSBLACK > alt corp jions your alliance and give your holding corp control of the IHUB bam IHUB in place
?[ 2011.09.08 21:06:02 ] DNSBLACK > Sage I promise you we will be back to kill your fleet again
?[ 2011.09.08 21:06:17 ] DNSBLACK > this way it is a win win
?[ 2011.09.08 21:06:51 ] DNSBLACK > but if your guys put this in reforce we may have a issue
?[ 2011.09.08 21:06:57 ] DNSBLACK > with a fast transfer
?[ 2011.09.08 21:07:21 ] DNSBLACK > ( bil is dirt cheap add up the fuel and moving cost and time to put a Ihub up with all the upgreades
?[ 2011.09.08 21:07:26 ] DNSBLACK > 9 bil
?[ 2011.09.08 21:07:42 ] Sage Eveo > I'll pass I think mate
?[ 2011.09.08 21:07:48 ] Sage Eveo > But I appreciate the offer
?[ 2011.09.08 21:07:49 ] DNSBLACK > ok
?[ 2011.09.08 21:07:56 ] Sage Eveo > 9b I can better spend elsewhere
?[ 2011.09.08 21:07:58 ] DNSBLACK > No worries
?[ 2011.09.08 21:08:06 ] DNSBLACK > You spent that in ships
?[ 2011.09.08 21:08:09 ] DNSBLACK > in the last fight
?[ 2011.09.08 21:08:20 ] DNSBLACK > and you will spend half of that in moral
?[ 2011.09.08 21:08:52 ] DNSBLACK > and dotn forget US TZ timers

Quote

2011.09.08 23:48:52 ] Sage Eveo > sorry mate was afk
?[ 2011.09.08 23:49:04 ] DNSBLACK > No worries
?[ 2011.09.08 23:49:20 ] DNSBLACK > 3 bil intresting offer as all my stuff is ref
?[ 2011.09.08 23:49:53 ] DNSBLACK > Sorry to hear the DRf used your NYX as bait and didnt follow thru
?[ 2011.09.08 23:50:03 ] Sage Eveo > apparently I've got a invigerated FC team. lol
?[ 2011.09.08 23:50:16 ] DNSBLACK > Sage Mark my word RA and WN will try to make you renters
?[ 2011.09.08 23:50:26 ] Sage Eveo > DRF used my Nyx as bait ?
?[ 2011.09.08 23:50:51 ] DNSBLACK > well I may be wrong
?[ 2011.09.08 23:51:07 ] Sage Eveo > My AAR is on kugu...
?[ 2011.09.08 23:51:26 ] DNSBLACK > Not sure what that means
?[ 2011.09.08 23:51:29 ] Sage Eveo > but re-reinforcment; its easy enough for my to not turn up for timers
?[ 2011.09.08 23:51:36 ] Sage Eveo > After Action Report
?[ 2011.09.08 23:51:53 ] DNSBLACK > Yes it is
?[ 2011.09.08 23:52:15 ] DNSBLACK > any how be carful with the DRF
?[ 2011.09.08 23:52:19 ] DNSBLACK > is all iam saying
?[ 2011.09.08 23:52:32 ] DNSBLACK > ok your counter offer was 3 bil based on jita
?[ 2011.09.08 23:52:35 ] DNSBLACK > intresting
?[ 2011.09.08 23:52:45 ] Sage Eveo > I've found in EVE mate, best be catious with everyone ^^
?[ 2011.09.08 23:52:49 ] DNSBLACK > i started at 9
?[ 2011.09.08 23:53:34 ] DNSBLACK > from my point of view there is value in the amount of effort you will be walking away from
?[ 2011.09.08 23:53:53 ] DNSBLACK > so value swings up a bit
?[ 2011.09.08 23:54:04 ] DNSBLACK > so i will counter with 7
?[ 2011.09.08 23:54:08 ] DNSBLACK > 7 bil
?[ 2011.09.08 23:54:21 ] DNSBLACK > you should counter with 4 bil
?[ 2011.09.08 23:54:26 ] DNSBLACK > i will say 6 bil
?[ 2011.09.08 23:54:37 ] DNSBLACK > and we will settle on your price of 5 bil
?[ 2011.09.08 23:54:42 ] DNSBLACK > and we walk away
?[ 2011.09.08 23:54:58 ] DNSBLACK > So to save time 5 bil and it is all yours
?[ 2011.09.08 23:55:33 ] Sage Eveo > See now you've said to much... because I know you'll walk with 5. Which means I need only counter with an offer of 4b. take it or leave it.
?[ 2011.09.08 23:55:35 ] Sage Eveo > =P
?[ 2011.09.08 23:56:15 ] DNSBLACK > LOL 5 bil is fair
?[ 2011.09.08 23:56:27 ] DNSBLACK > and for what you will lose believe me
?[ 2011.09.08 23:56:36 ] DNSBLACK > it is a win for you
?[ 2011.09.08 23:56:45 ] Sage Eveo > 5b's a lot of ISK and reship reimbursements mate - for me the value dosn't match up
?[ 2011.09.08 23:57:01 ] DNSBLACK > well you ost 14 bil last time
?[ 2011.09.08 23:57:12 ] DNSBLACK > and you will lose that plus
?[ 2011.09.08 23:57:19 ] DNSBLACK > we arnt going to walk away
?[ 2011.09.08 23:57:27 ] Sage Eveo > As a coalition in total value sure; didn't cost me near that much as an alliance
?[ 2011.09.08 23:57:41 ] DNSBLACK > but it cost your pilots
?[ 2011.09.08 23:57:44 ] DNSBLACK > plus yor time
?[ 2011.09.08 23:57:51 ] DNSBLACK > this way we save both
?[ 2011.09.08 23:58:00 ] DNSBLACK > and you can focus on omist
?[ 2011.09.08 23:58:01 ] Sage Eveo > It was a fight mate... we actually quite enjoy those beleive it or not =P
?[ 2011.09.08 23:58:08 ] DNSBLACK > and you get ihub plus up grades
?[ 2011.09.08 23:58:30 ] Sage Eveo > the ihub with upgrades is your selling point here, not the you will / or wont come to fight for timers
?[ 2011.09.08 23:58:32 ] DNSBLACK > here is the other thought
?[ 2011.09.08 23:58:56 ] Sage Eveo > that saves me a shit tone of logistics work - hense i'm interested
?[ 2011.09.08 23:59:06 ] DNSBLACK > well that alone in this space is worth 5 bil
?[ 2011.09.08 23:59:15 ] DNSBLACK > correct
?[ 2011.09.08 23:59:33 ] Sage Eveo > close, I think 4b at most
?[ 2011.09.08 23:59:53 ] DNSBLACK > well 5 bil and we walk
?[ 2011.09.09 00:00:22 ] DNSBLACK > 4 bil not worth it and believe me -A- and friends will show up for this fight
?[ 2011.09.09 00:00:33 ] DNSBLACK > matter fact i have been contacted by goons
?[ 2011.09.09 00:00:47 ] DNSBLACK > and anumbe rof others who say we should turtle up and fight
?[ 2011.09.09 00:00:57 ] DNSBLACK > hence the US timers
?[ 2011.09.09 00:01:07 ] Sage Eveo > I can assure you my contacts in goons rank higher then yours =P
?[ 2011.09.09 00:01:30 ] DNSBLACK > yea i guess mittens does get out ranked
?[ 2011.09.09 00:01:39 ] DNSBLACK > and he owes me a jager bomb
?[ 2011.09.09 00:01:42 ] DNSBLACK > LOL
?[ 2011.09.09 00:01:53 ] DNSBLACK > try again sage
?[ 2011.09.09 00:02:15 ] DNSBLACK > you fucked the goons and they are out to make life hell
?[ 2011.09.09 00:02:27 ] DNSBLACK > and for 1 bil more from your 4 bil it all goes away
?[ 2011.09.09 00:02:29 ] Sage Eveo > I did not fuck the goons at all
?[ 2011.09.09 00:02:41 ] Sage Eveo > The more you talk mate, the less I want to do business with you
?[ 2011.09.09 00:02:43 ] DNSBLACK > not what they told me
?[ 2011.09.09 00:02:52 ] DNSBLACK > you have my coms
?[ 2011.09.09 00:03:03 ] DNSBLACK > this is typing not talking
?[ 2011.09.09 00:03:17 ] DNSBLACK > sage 5 bil vs 4 bil
?[ 2011.09.09 00:03:25 ] Sage Eveo > 4b is my final offer mate
?[ 2011.09.09 00:03:28 ] Sage Eveo > you let me know o/
?[ 2011.09.09 00:03:31 ] DNSBLACK > and at 5 bil the headache goes away

Originally Posted by DNSblack

?[ 2011.09.09 02:22:01 ] Sage Eveo > Hi mate
?[ 2011.09.09 02:22:04 ] DNSBLACK > Sage you there
?[ 2011.09.09 02:22:08 ] DNSBLACK > i sent yo a mail
?[ 2011.09.09 02:22:08 ] Sage Eveo > yeah

?[ 2011.09.09 02:22:15 ] Sage Eveo > kk 1 sec
?[ 2011.09.09 02:22:18 ] DNSBLACK > 4 bil deal
?[ 2011.09.09 02:22:27 ] DNSBLACK > I have a transfer corp
?[ 2011.09.09 02:22:33 ] DNSBLACK > ready to go
?[ 2011.09.09 02:23:36 ] Sage Eveo > Oki, are you happy if we third party this through Chribba / Dark ?
?[ 2011.09.09 02:24:01 ] DNSBLACK > Sage i know it dosnt mean much but lets save the isk
?[ 2011.09.09 02:24:44 ] DNSBLACK > sage at some point I hope i have develope the same repor as those 2
?[ 2011.09.09 02:24:50 ] DNSBLACK > I dont scam people
?[ 2011.09.09 02:24:57 ] DNSBLACK > but if you like to use them that is fine
?[ 2011.09.09 02:25:27 ] DNSBLACK > Silent dodger will voch for me
?[ 2011.09.09 02:25:29 ] Sage Eveo > Take no offensive of it mate as any disrespect or distrust towards you, its just a policy we follow with alliance ISK per ~deals gone wrong~ in the past.
?[ 2011.09.09 02:25:32 ] DNSBLACK > Your choice
?[ 2011.09.09 02:25:46 ] DNSBLACK > no worries
?[ 2011.09.09 02:25:52 ] DNSBLACK > contact him
?[ 2011.09.09 02:25:58 ] DNSBLACK > chribba
?[ 2011.09.09 02:26:10 ] Sage Eveo > It'll keep my houds off my back
?[ 2011.09.09 02:26:21 ] DNSBLACK > No worries i understand
?[ 2011.09.09 02:26:32 ] DNSBLACK > come pull down the timers
?[ 2011.09.09 02:26:38 ] DNSBLACK > the sbu tonight
?[ 2011.09.09 02:26:50 ] DNSBLACK > and lets get this done
?[ 2011.09.09 02:26:58 ] DNSBLACK > i will get the corp to app in the morning
?[ 2011.09.09 02:27:11 ] DNSBLACK > wait one
?[ 2011.09.09 02:27:12 ] Sage Eveo > rgr he's not online i see; so soon as he is I'll hit him up - or infact just shoot him an evemail. We have 24 hours atleast
?[ 2011.09.09 02:27:15 ] Sage Eveo > rgr
?[ 2011.09.09 02:27:16 ] DNSBLACK > i will have them app right now
?[ 2011.09.09 02:27:32 ] DNSBLACK > the app can go in
?[ 2011.09.09 02:35:23 ] Sage Eveo > I don't think it'll let me offline SBUs until the first timer though
?[ 2011.09.09 02:43:10 ] DNSBLACK > you can off line sbu anytime
?[ 2011.09.09 02:43:17 ] DNSBLACK > I have done it
?[ 2011.09.09 02:43:24 ] DNSBLACK > and it is a nice little trick
?[ 2011.09.09 02:43:37 ] DNSBLACK > reforce everything
?[ 2011.09.09 02:43:42 ] DNSBLACK > pull down sbu
?[ 2011.09.09 02:52:53 ] Sage Eveo > arr kk

Originally Posted by joker725

In the end, ISK and ships are all just tiny bits of data.

Point is, he blinked.

Originally Posted by sage eveo

Transfer in progress. Complete in 24hours-ish.

Sages most recent leadership update:

Originally Posted by Sage Eveo

Hey Boys,

I'm going to be as short and sweet as I can here...

The Cluster Fuck Era
In the past months A-Co has continued to increase the pressure on our front, to the point now that they'll be fielding (minimum) the following:
AAA - 150+
ROL/STAIN/COVEN - 120+
S2N - 100+
==================
Total Bad Dudes = 370+

Us on the other hand...
RA - 130+
WTF/RED.L/UPS/ARISE/etc - 130+
==================
Total Friendlies = 260+

These numbers obviously are not accurate for EVERY op, but this gives you the general idea. As you can see, the addition of S2N in A

X really swings our ability to win the brawl without batfoned help - not unless our numbers take a significant dive in the up direction.

The issue with the batfone (PL / NC.Dot) is the ~elite~ approach that comes with it. The last 3 ops have been total fucking nightmares, were we find ourselves on the firing line eventually for one reason or another. Today this nearly cost us the objective, and had us sitting in a system for 6+ hours. This is the point frankly I lost my shit and started saying things that needed be said - and closed my ~elite~ channels.... an hour later they came back, killed the new onlining SBU and assisted us to secure system without incident. Progress? I'm not so sure... we'll see.

I've taken these concerns to RA today. I must have come on rather strong, because I inadvertently put them in a bit of a panic having given them the impression we may move on. In this discussion process though, it really reiterated to me how much these guys value us.

Here's the points I made:
a) Tenerifis & Omist are inhabitable; both from a pilot, citizen and moon income prospective. Its a war zone. We're therefore spending ISK on sov (and infrastructure) for space we can't use. Personally, I'm tired of defending it - but this comes from more burnout then logical thinking.
b) Income... we have none (short of the now constant moon targets in Tenerifis)
c) We're to stretched (geographically).
d) The bigger picture (refer to my first point about what we're fighting against now).

Here's what come of it:
a) WTF & ARISE will be given Immensea (sometime early January once rental payments have expired). There's still some hashing out to do on the particulars of what, where etc. But this is a significantly better contingency plan in my view then taking on some Detorid holdings.
b) We'll be given moon rights shortly (Immensea or Detorid) to get a proper income steam again. Outside of this, we need to formulate alternative methods as an alliance that isn't reliant on space holdings (ie Market Trade / Sub-Cap/Cap Production... something).
c) Valid point, but surrendering the space is counter productive on all angles - so we continue to fight for it. Again, more the burnout speaking there (which I'm sure we all to some extent share).
d) There's really no simple answer to this one, but SD and I have shared some ideas and intend of having further chats with our extended anti-aaa family to try and smooth the co-operation past the first 10 minutes of these engagements. At the end of the day, them setting our entire coalition blue is highly unlikely; but the machine needs tuning and a clear direction if we're to maximise on their regional presence (opposed to them just maximising on ours, and the fights we generate). The scary truth of the matter is, we can't defeat A-Co's machine with our coalition alone - not at its current velocity.

We've been in the frying pan a while now, and shit will get tougher before it gets easier... but this is a long and challenging war I'm willing to continue commitment too if you are. Which is really what this post is about; reality on the table - are you guys still with me ?

Originally Posted by Yui Khason

As long as there's a contigency plan with us having a place to stay I feel we can still be committed in fighting at Tenerifis even that we wouldn't keep this for more than 1 month(s).

And can we please get rid of Kula blues if we move to Immensea?
There has to be something we can get out of this :P

Erasers will commit to fighting as we've been before. We already have our shit in 46 and 77 so assets wise it shouldn't be problem to pull out to Detorid and to Immensea from there when needed.

Just good to know SD knows the facts and acknowledges them as they are.
Sort of pity to just let stuff go and give -A- a moral victory after all, maybe.

But, fleeting up as usual

Some of you might remember Erasers were close to leaving this ship when we were in North. But in the end, new adventures in South were tempting enough to keep us on board. And my, pew we've had. And shall have!

Originally Posted by Sage Eveo

Oh yeah, I was pretty blunt on the Kula Kain subject as well. The "lesser allies" issue is a work in progress. Some of them are doing some great stuff behind the scenes with citizen disruption.

That morale victory to AAA if we gave up on Teno / Omist is exactly why we keep fighting to ~keep it~. But long-term, its no longer where we'll nest. Worse case scenario if we do loose it, we're not without options as you pointed out - which is good

Originally Posted by levistus Junior

I'm with you. I must confess I had my doubts (enough to actually start thinking about the offers PL keeps making me :P) because it seemed we were fighting out of inertia, losing and with nothing but hopes to turn things around.

Now, as long as we have a plan of action, a clear goal and a view of the means to achieve it, I'm in.

To more pressing matters, namely ISK generation: how about supercap production. You can build a SC in about a month AFAIK and it makes 5ish bil profit on market. Now RA has a bunch of space far far away from anything non blue. Could we get a system and start building some supers in there? 2-3 at once should make us a hefty monthly profit.

Originally Posted by captain koo

I like to add, if we as individual corps made some sort of gentleman's agreement on that we try to push numbers for next (say 3 weeks) and get our "WTF" identity back what it has been.

I for one like to go out in a blaze of glory rather than fade away slowly. If other corps are willing to commit I will try to push our corp beyond all limits (20 guys in EU TZ CTA in correct ships).

-Koo

Originally Posted by tide mende

We are still newish and forgive me lack of understanding subtle touches on nullsec politics, but from what I see we have plenty of pew which is good. Having calm space to carebear for those who need it is a nice addition.

I know it's not much, but NOPE does and will continue to provide CTA ships on contracts, also other doctrines if will be needed.

I already push my guys for numbers and participarion and for such a small corp we are, I say we do quiet good 8). Also fully agree with Capitan Koo, it's so much more fun to go in a blaze of glory!

pwe pew pewpew pew...

Originally Posted by Vigilanta

immensia isnt bad, and keeping them fighting in tenerifis will make immensia that much safer.

Originally Posted by Yui Khason

And I agree with Koo there, we need to push our members to fleets, you can do it if we can do it!
Erasers has bloated up with too many cyno toons to ease up logistics here so don't even bother using it as an excuse for poor performance

Originally Posted by Viktor Kurg

I support the idea of " WTF systems - centre of the universe™" but having an area where we can make income at individual, corporate and alliance levels is what we need and the thoughts of Immensea holding is good and I for one am in for the long haul here. We need to push our individual members as Koo and Yui have said, but we also need to then push at corporate level and get behind ways of ensuring the alliance itself is healthy. Any ideas are on the table short of myself doing lapdances for isk...(not a pretty site).

Originally Posted by levistus Junior

I also think that we need to push our members quality-wise too, not only quantity-wise. We should at least glance over battle reports once in a while and have a talk with guys that keep bringing the wrong ships.

Originally Posted by Sebastian hoch

I am torn, there are great benefits with living right on the front for PVP, but no one can question that you Sage have taken the brunt of the fleet leadership for the coalition. You can't keep this up forever and moreover, I do think the alliance in general needs a break. Planing like this shows great leadership.

However, if we settle in blue country there are real risks that, over months, our evolution shifts toward a care bear theme in the corps and members we attract and keep. We need to have an end to end JB train right to the front--before we move fully to new space at minimum.

I think we should have more WTF only fleets as this will project our identity through our discipline, success and doctrines. This will give us good contrast with our blues that we don't always control.

It is my hope that WTF would grow into an independent alliance in the fullness of time. Of course no alliance is fully independent, but I'd see us being strong enough one day to share equal footing with any partner we choose. RA has been good for us, trusted us with more than we had earned at the time up in Pure Blind, but where still the junior partner and rightly so.

@Sage, I am not sure if this matches your vision for WTF, but its the result I hope for, for all of our hard work.

Seb

Originally Posted by Captain Koo

Good point. I fully agree. I rather not retreat anywhere, but stay at the front and I honestly don't think that players need a break. It's alliance who needs it. At this moment we are getting only some income from various places (some moon income + some support from other alliances). Constant isk-worries and no time to rat is hindering our numbers I think.

Our replacements well.. are better than nothing but if we someday want to be "force to be reckon with" we need better reimbursements. I prefer corp level reimbursements, because it allows corp to invest in their thing too (Like Erasers had our Arty Canes, kkass nanogangs etc.).

What I think Sage is driving for here is that we have a financial backbone always. Now we are fighting for our every (alliance level) isk . Every other day we have a neo-moon reinforced and that is hardly called "stable income". We don't have renters like well.. almost every other alliance around has.

And too much has fallen to Sages hands, he basically runs the show single handedly, from managing alliance financial, reimbursements and even running every "serious" fleet.

What I suggest we nominate couple persons to help Sage. 1st we need a financial officier, he's job is only to get money income for Alliance. He can assign targets for FC (like killing neomoons), begging from our rich neighbours, get player donations to alliance wallet. All this isk is to be used on PVP, not on sove. Sage need to help this guy at first to get decent contacts on other alliances and teach him how to pull correct "ropes".

2nd officier what we need is a person who regulates money what reimbursement officiers can give away. This person could be Sage, because it's mainly moving isk from one wallet to another.

Well that's the rant for today. Tell me what you think.

-Koo

ps. SageIn the near future I would LOVE to see you only run the FC show and be the frontman of our alliance. We rest can do the shitty job behind the curtains.

Originally Posted by Viktor Kurg

I have never seen this alliance even hinting and moving towards a carebear theme (pink elephants maybe), I think the way we are moving at the moment is stagnant and will only weaken our alliance. The infrastructure that was put into place (beacon systems and jump bridges) were ment to be our road to the front lines, but as the -a- train has gained momentum we find that what was once to be our growth areas overrun and at times behind enemy lines, so we are back to where we were in September. We still really have no space of our own to develop and "put down roots", only space that we are defending.

Thats everything fun from that thread

This is off the RA FC forums, Silent Dodger Refuses to Reset/remove an awoxing renter corporation

Originally Posted by some waterboard dude

PEAJIbHbIE KA6AHbI Corporation, "Wild Hogs"; member of DED Space alliance. Renters, apparently, basing out of POS' in o3-4mn in Detorid.

They reset Waterboard and Jagged pretty much as soon as they moved into o3-4mn; without bothering to inform us.
They joined DED Space direct from ROL.Citizens.
They have racked up over 10 billion in kills against our coalition.
They have camped stations and gates killing ships heading to and returning from CTAs.
They have attacked at least one CTA fleet directly (and then complained to the FC [Super Skunk] when they were popped).
They don't report -A- in channels
They have camped blue jumpbridges and popped blues using them.
They have aggressed a Hellboys (Red Citizens) Aeon.
They have been seen camping gates with -A- in Immensea.
They do not accept comms from our diplomats.
Their listed contacts do not return evemail.

Their killboard: http://kb.wild-hogs.su/?a=home

When this started happening, we were told it would be sorted.

Weeks ago, Silent Dodger said: "This will be sorted within three days"

Just days ago, Silent Dodger said: "I will deal with this after this CTA"

Why the fuck are these retards still blue?

Originally Posted by Silent Dodger

They are our renters. As far as i know, Skotenok has talked to them 2 days ago. If they wont stop this shit - i will have no choice but to kick them out. Most probably, that -a- agents are trying to make our citizens stop paying and leave. That's their first victim

Originally Posted by Waterboard dude

http://waterboard.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11801348

We are on a day off to make ISK for our BLOP's in Feythabolis, and this occurs.

If DED to as much effort into helping the RA and its Allies, instead of camping and killing Allies, maybe
-A- wouldn't be having as much progress.

Please note that its only one of there Corps.

Its going to be increasingly hard to not go BLOP's on there systems and POS's, So please get this under control.

Originally Posted by ANOTHER waterboard dude

This distinction needs to be highlighted.

The bad apples here are a *single corporation* that joined DED Space *direct from ROL.Citizens*

I seriously doubt PEAJIbHbIE KA6AHbI's allegience is with us. Can there be any doubt of this given their continuing activities?

In my opinion, DED Space should be pressured to boot that corp immediately.

PEAJIbHbIE KA6AHbI's POS' in o3- should be reinforced, rapecaged and removed as soon as possible.

Allowing a nest of 5th column resistance fighters to exist behind our lines racking up kills against our ratters, haulers and solos shielded by "blue to the coalition" is strategically unsound to say the leas

Originally Posted by silent dodger

i'v talked to them yesterday. if they wont stop this shit - they will get kicked.

At the same time, DED state that WTB was using neutral characters to provoke agression.

I donno wtf is going on, but i highly suggest that both partyes stop doing any hostile actions.

Originally Posted by Waterboard dude