Goonswarm Shrugged - The Gallente Ice Interdiction

[tgr]

Fix Lag's posting is the work of the devil.

[Marivauder]

Posting is the devil

[Lorren Canada]

Fix Lag's posting is the work of the devil.

Michele Bachmann never lies and is never wrong

[Matos]

Current Prices:
1348ISK Sell
1244ISK Buy

[Iratus]

What was the threshold that made nullsec ice mining profitable, again?

[Some Market Dude]

What was the threshold that made nullsec ice mining profitable, again?

I've only seen 2nd hand guesses. It would probably take all of 10 minutes to figure it out, but I am shockingly lazy these days.

[fugazii]

So to wait for 1.5 or not

[Lorren Canada]

I'm waiting for at least 2k

[Night]

Irony. Wonder if I should sell the random LO I have somewhere for the carrier I never use, if I still have it...

[woo glin]

What was the threshold that made nullsec ice mining profitable, again?

Realistically never. Dark Glitter was previously better and is still, at least at current non-peak-but-still-inflated prices, comparable to blue ice and nobody of note mines because of it. In terms of isk/hr versus ratting, the price would need to go 2-3x its current price before solo mining would make more sense than belt ratting. The only real advantage it has is that it scales better once you get beyond 3 or 4 accounts, but at that point you're talking plex-team/bot army levels of isk/SP/effort invested so it's debatable whether that's even a fair comparison.

While I don't doubt the power of tech money, I'd argue that CCP has already taken a pretty clear stance on whether or not they'll allow this to happen.

[Quasi]

Someone is trying to halt the spike, they have 3 million+ units for sale exactly .01 isk above the highest buy order (either that or they are trying to fool some badly written bots into underbidding their order to get a discount sale.)

[tgr]

It'll come. The funny bit is a few NPC guys saying that we're botting it up in ice belts, that all the orders are goon orders (and "looks like market bots... hmm..."), that we've just impacted "a handful" of people with this, and "Unless the sold/bought quantities resume to pre-interdiction levels, the price alone really means very little". And let's not forget the guy saying that you'd now be MUCH safer once you've paid the 250m protection fee. I can only hope he's actually a goon trolling.

It's seriously painful to read.

[DUUUUURK]

It'll come. The funny bit is a few NPC guys saying that we're botting it up in ice belts, that all the orders are goon orders (and "looks like market bots... hmm..."), that we've just impacted "a handful" of people with this, and "Unless the sold/bought quantities resume to pre-interdiction levels, the price alone really means very little". And let's not forget the guy saying that you'd now be MUCH safer once you've paid the 250m protection fee. I can only hope he's actually a goon trolling.

It's seriously painful to read.

I dunno mate, from where I'm standing the impact isn't that big (yet?). Let alone having "wrecked the entire EVE economy".

[Gandalf Team]

I've personally made quite a hefty amount of ISK with next to no effort thanks to this ice interdiction. Mad props to goons and keep up the good work

[tgr]

I dunno mate, from where I'm standing the impact isn't that big (yet?). Let alone having "wrecked the entire EVE economy".

Doesn't have to wreck it to have a huge impact. carbides are more painful to run with non-gallente, and gallente caps are still dependent on oxytopes. I also doubt you'll find a supercarrier or titan pilot who'll want to say "meh I'll just not hotdrop today, the fuel bill is so huge" willingly.

[Jm24]

Oxy is going up, short of finding 20m units to dump daily into buys, of which probability is low.

[DUUUUURK]

Doesn't have to wreck it to have a huge impact. carbides are more painful to run with non-gallente, and gallente caps are still dependent on oxytopes. I also doubt you'll find a supercarrier or titan pilot who'll want to say "meh I'll just not hotdrop today, the fuel bill is so huge" willingly.

Well, "wrecking the entire EVE economy" was the choice of words from the Great Mittens. I've already stated b4 that that was a bit over ambitious prolly.

But keep up the good work, very interesting to see the effects of this on a longer time scale.

[Some Market Dude]

It's seriously painful to read.

It really is. It's not a discourse of projections or analysis; it's just clueless rationalizations for why it won't work.

Well, "wrecking the entire EVE economy" was the choice of words from the Great Mittens. I've already stated b4 that that was a bit over ambitious prolly.

Obviously it was hyperbole.

[tgr]

Well, "wrecking the entire EVE economy" was the choice of words from the Great Mittens.

If you mean "wrecking the entire EVE economy" as in "cause it to grind to a complete and utter halt", then yes, that'd be overambitious. The effect so far, however, is make people do more POS work pr month, and deployment of gallente carriers, dreads, supercarriers, titans, JFs and rorquals are currently not as affected, but if we keep up the interdiction then sooner or later eve will run out of oxytopes in its entirety, and that means a whole race of capitals are useless, and suddenly mining for oxytopes in 0.0 becomes a potentially strategically important task. Something which hasn't been the case for ... well, years.

b4

Every time someone types this abbreviation, someone kills a kitten. Please, think of the kittens.

[jimmychrist]

Every time someone types this abbreviation, someone kills a kitten. Please, think of the kittens.

It's me, I'm the one killing all those kittens.

I don't even feel bad about it.

[Weaselior]

Well, "wrecking the entire EVE economy" was the choice of words from the Great Mittens. I've already stated b4 that that was a bit over ambitious prolly.

But keep up the good work, very interesting to see the effects of this on a longer time scale.

actually mine, but we're going to once oxytopes run dry

[Weaselior]

right now we've shut down any intelligent reactor farms but the well isn't completely dry yet

however, as long as jita remains on the cusp of actually running out of oxytopes we've still got a good shot of shutting down gallente towers all over EVE: there's a certain demand from capfleets and scapfleets that will buy at any price to clear out what middling stuff you can get from 0.0

[DUUUUURK]

Every time someone types this abbreviation, someone kills a kitten. Please, think of the kittens.

Ah men, if I'd had known that b4, I wouldn't have used it as much over the past 10 years. I think the world was a lot nicer for kitties b4 the interweb got so big. Do they at least sedate the kittens b4 they brutally kill them?

[Iratus]

Why is this durk moron not banned yet? it's not like he's an entertaining shitposter like intarkll.

[olusegun obasanjo]

this ice interdiction is going much better than i expected. can we seal the deal on the oxtopes market and hit the fields in drone space? only a couple afk cloakers would mess up the botting macks

oh wait

[Kitty Vintner]

this ice interdiction is going much better than i expected. can we seal the deal on the oxtopes market and hit the fields in drone space? only a couple afk cloakers would mess up the botting macks

oh wait

Go hog wild duder, there's like 150 ice belts in null to choose from.

[Malcanis]

Go hog wild duder, there's like 150 ice belts in null to choose from.

How many have blue ice?

[tgr]

How many have blue ice?

Some ... number ... thingy. I dunno, do I have to count?

[Malcanis]

Isn't that sort of thing what Dotlan is for?

[Zagdul]

right now we've shut down any intelligent reactor farms but the well isn't completely dry yet

however, as long as jita remains on the cusp of actually running out of oxytopes we've still got a good shot of shutting down gallente towers all over EVE: there's a certain demand from capfleets and scapfleets that will buy at any price to clear out what middling stuff you can get from 0.0

I'm looking forward to this next expansion so we can finally rip down our Gallente POS's and replace them with Caldari.

[Zagdul]

In record speed.

[DUUUUURK]

In record speed.

Record speed still being terribly slow. POS'es are CCP's way of saying:"We hate you guys, we really, really do!". I'm not touching them again till they add an onlining queue.

[Some Market Dude]

It's going to be even better when goons interdict nitro isos just after everyone has switched their farms out.

The tears will be a flood of biblical proportions.

[tgr]

oh god don't say that they'll spike the price instantly

[jimmychrist]

I can't check at the moment but didn't the other three topes also go up a little bit?

[Quasi]

All the prices have spiked up as people try to look into the mind of the Mittani for what he will do next, and well as we all know that way leads to madness...

[tgr]

They may have spiked a week or two after the oxytopes began getting raped, but all of them have gone back to the old levels. In fact, the only tope which hasn't done that is nitrogen isotopes, which is actually 10 isk/unit lower than before the interdiction.

[Quasi]

They may have spiked a week or two after the oxytopes began getting raped, but all of them have gone back to the old levels. In fact, the only tope which hasn't done that is nitrogen isotopes, which is actually 10 isk/unit lower than before the interdiction.

Ok I am an idiot, was looking at 5 day averages versus the 30..and tgr is very correct.

[Stronke]

Of course he is.

[Endie]

I, too, am very correct.

[Some Market Dude]

http://www.evenews24.com/2011/11/16/...te-ice-part-2/

This faggot is painfully retarded and needs to stop posting this garbage.

[tgr]

Oh thanks, I needed a good laugh.

[Ecocrexis]

http://www.evenews24.com/2011/11/16/...te-ice-part-2/

This faggot is painfully retarded and needs to stop posting this garbage.

At least it has proper grammar this time.

Reading anything written by riverini was just painful.

[Weaselior]

he got that 'destroyer of economics' thing right at least

[Weaselior]

"prices are expected to stay around 900"
"demand has increased"

"no i didn't look at the market at all how did you know"

[fugazii]

So not really on topic, but market nonetheless. Can people smarter than I explain to me why Plexs have jumped 100mil in 3wks? Numbers sold has held constant while supply has increased which doesn't make sense for an upturn in price.

[Rer]

:Month Before Christmas:

(But yea I have no clue)

[woo glin]

PI, and by proxy every T2/POS reliant item, is getting more expensive due to speculation. All else held constant, it won't go back down if the speculators are correct (they are) as isk is effectively worth less.

[Some Market Dude]

So not really on topic, but market nonetheless. Can people smarter than I explain to me why Plexs have jumped 100mil in 3wks? Numbers sold has held constant while supply has increased which doesn't make sense for an upturn in price.

Plex goes up when the game is eating shit.

Buyers: "this game blows. I'm not gonna pay cash for it, but I might as well buy plex with all this excess isk im not using and train while playing bf3 and hoping eve gets good again"

Sellers: "this game blows. I'm not gonna pay x hundred dollars to top off my nyx purchasing fund for a shitty game"

[Night]

I'd assume that the Incursions tossing Isk everywhere have something to do with it as well, but can't be sure.