RMT ISK has other sources but yeah I'd guess a lot of it is bot-sourced.Originally Posted by Hilmar Keller
Apparently another major source is ISK jacked from the accounts of customers who got trojaned by the ISK seller.
RMT ISK has other sources but yeah I'd guess a lot of it is bot-sourced.
Apparently another major source is ISK jacked from the accounts of customers who got trojaned by the ISK seller.
It's semi-old and you might have seen it already, but this video is pretty informative in general on the broader topic of rmt and it briefly touches eve specifically, especially on the plex thing by CCP.
I'd be suprised if the trojaning was actually that common, given how easy it was to bot up an absolute storm of isk without fucking your customers over until recently.
How hard can it be to trojan someone who's so dumb they have to buy ISK?
Example: Rhaegor Stormborn
It's not necessarily hard, it's just you can get login information for more people in easier ways.
Like selling them a bot program that has a keylogger in it?
Good work CCP
And here i am, despite losing a titan a ms and roughly 700b i liquid isk inside a puppetmaster, and get a 2 week ban on 14 char who where used for pump money on my "playng eve side" read: corp and my personal chars wallets:
The other side the RMT is going on, pretty much untouched, yes i reduced the activity,"not running anything anymore 23/24h) but the large amount of isks i made in the years allow me now, to continue sell for probably another 2 years first than i end my reserves, also thx to this the value of the isk are increasing and the low level competence cuncurrence of chinese is getting hammered by ccp, tbh even if ccp will manage to remove my current 62 running bots. the increasing value of the isk, will cover for the losses.
Darius still not get how real rmt have been done, the fact they cheastbeat soo much about REVERSING isk is a proof they still not understand a fuck, of the real methods, they reversed 500b isk, wow, is less than what i was doing alone monthly when where running 24/24 72 bots., things will become serious when ccp will claim to remove 5 trillion isk, not 500b. And this every week. becouse i am not the only guy doing this and not even the bigger, there is ppl running 90-120 even 180 bots (higher i know)
Truth is, that ccp have no tools for block real rmt methods, wich is very simple, i am going to explain here since is no harm at all, and anyway i have "other methods waiting if this will get caught"
this is very elemental and worked fine since years :
step 1: buy plex at jita
step 2: use a wifi-connection with a stupid usb key and create a new account (with a new random ip, also get more key from different provider for make this even safer)
step 3 : buy plexs(5-10-50 whatever) put them in a shuttle , go in a safe spot and leave the shuttle.
step 4: get it into the new noob account, go into the safe spot take shuttle
step 5: meet with the customer in the safe spot, unboard it, done, no logs, no isk transfered, no trade made.
step 6 : cancel the char who delivered the plex at jita from the corp who own the isks (was a new noob char)
step 7: cancel char who did the exchange with the customer.on
only stupid chinese sites sell isk directly, thrue contracts or direct send of isk, real rmt, use plexes, minerals, ships, or a mix of all of this.
so i am fine thx for the interest, and when i am bored of swtor probably i will return playng eve and bringing chaos. instead do only rmt. and just for the info, yes i bot even in swtor :O
also ccp do stuff only when there is RMT involved, becouse theyr only interest in fight bots is when this harm theyr plex selling, you can read that in darius iii writings, every 2 seconds there is plex, buy plex, use ccp plex, seams a spot to me, so ccp fight who do rmt, and leave the thrue plague of eve the thousand of bots who are used for getting advantage in eve, pretty much untouched, or with very limitate punishments, really? 3 strike? 14 day 30 day than 30 day? wich i think is the one who the players of eve care more.
you know what ppl do when get a 14 day ban strike? they bot another 2 week, make isk for a new char, becouse at worst they risk a 30 day ban, than return bot full time with the new char, then go on realpoor.com or ebay and sell the account of the bot who got the small ban. for money or for isk (you can sell it for isk on realpoor.com)
Becouse think wisely, if someone rmt/bot 500b month, than sell it, hardly he gonna sell hundred of billions to an alliance or a single player, no one is that fool to spend soo much real money for a game. so the impact in game for the players is very limitate, 100 player with +5b isk in theyr wallet will not make a big difference in ships or char deploye in the field.
but when single player run a hundred billion/month activity, and support his corp-alliance, that is a game-balance break. and in this case the ccp dont give a fuck. and is this isk who support alliance like PL Ncdot, xdeathx etc etc, not the rmt one. this kind of activity changed the game, allowing alliance like white noise to exit from venal with more ms and titans than morsus mihi, even by not owning any technetium.
my ex corp with roughly have 200 bot still running, stupidly they tryed to report a couple of my bots that they know and recently got banned, becouse ccp tend to indagate on the guys who make bot reports, so i know from inside source that outlaw. get a lot of bans recently.
But only becouse they tryed this, but 90% of theyr chars-titan-ms is made by bot activity but since they do no rmt, ccp dont give a fuck.
so in the end the interest and will of the community is completely different than ccp interest, they do theyr rmt bans, and use that for say: look look we are doing good stuff for you, but the rmt is a very small % and have much less impact than who do isk for win at eve.
is the general i bot for my ms-titan activity that ruined the game, and made the supercap proliferation, not the rmt, rarely i have customer than buy more than 10b (1-2 week), average sell is 1 2 4, certainly they not gonna spam 50 titans soon
i still not believe how ppl is rdy to clap clap any stupid fat boy who make ccp propaganda. is years we see this shit regards botting and is years the community believe ccp intentions are made for the interest of the gameplay instead of theyr wallet.
i am a bad guy, at list majority of ppl consider this, but that allow me to say the truth becouse i dont give a fuck about anyone opinion towards me. dont get me wrong i liked the game, when was clean, and i was proud to own titan and ms, by manually farming my isk in belts, but was back when the amount of bots was small, and when owning such stuff was a big deal. when i discovered that majority of rich ppl where rich thx to bots-rmt, I started to do the same, but of course at bigger level, becouse that is my style. but the main fault here is CCP who not have done anything for years, and now is too late, right now 50% of the isk generate in eve is made by bots. if ccp will eliminate 100% of the bots they will lose a good 30% of total subscription from active accounts. and the game will be even more unbalanced, becouse there will be ppl with hundred of billions who already had take advantage of the situation during the years. making even harder for new player to start eve., this process will make the population of eve become smaller. and slowly decline, this is why ccp will NEVER eliminate the bots, but only bots who finance RMT.
You're full of shit.
Don't blame him, it used to work untill now. If ccp is really serious about rmt they could easily track this too because every item ingame has a specific indentity, even every unit of trit in that 5 billion stack.
So you lost 800 billion isk or more, but Darius has no idea how to affect you? Ok.
And do realize that he's only just gotten back to working on this fulltime, and there's no doubt a _lot_ of low-hanging fruits to pick.
But don't worry... While every single nerd that don't know programming somehow thinks there's no logs from ships left in space, it's going to be fun for his customers when that heuristics is added to the RMT/bot mining program.
NOW all of a sudden the logs show something
Horus is correct that botted Isk that isn't rmt'd imbalances gameplay more. Bots tap into the Isk faucets but don't put any Isk into the sinks.
This post happily existed in all possible states before you observed it. Now it has collapsed into a single state.
I hope you're satisfied, fuckwad
The logs showing nothing has always been a code for "what ever it was, it happen on your machine so we can't verify that you're not fucking with us. Now get lost you're wasting our time."
the logs show nothing meansnow just go away
Lets try to not mention plumbing too much. We dont want to get into that argument again.
If you kill enough of them they stop fighting - Gen. Curtis Lemay
Fear the KKM
Needs to be a probate-able offense
I have always ignored the ice boots as problem in eve, cheap pos fuel and the fact that making someone ice mine for months must break some international humanitarian laws.
CCP should use it as alternative punishment, "Oh we aren't going to ban you, instead you must Ice Mine for 2 weeks! mwuhahahaha"
Horus is behind on things or maybe he's just a liar (what a surprise). Shuttle transfer is logged and people have been banned doing this. Also the stupid chinese (and US sites) put together sell more isk than these one-man operations put together, so CCP will still prioritize their methods (like contracts and other more obvious shit),and the reason they use such stupid methods is, if you watched that video, that chinese sites are only brokers now, so they need some sort of isk transfer that can be proven with screens, which leaves very few options.
What i noticed is CCP banning as usual, no more no less, but just being more vocal about it, while obvious (24/7) bots get automatically banned now, so guess what ? people have to run even more bots as a result. If Horus wasn't lying about his 50+ bots he now needs to run 100-150 to get the same income, more active accounts for ccp, and let's not get into the plex argument. RMT Isk reversal has also been there for years.
I think I'll go ahead and hope in here; who wants to buy my bot keys? pm me.
I swear to god, I fear this punishment more than anything else - if you had to say mine a specific amount of whatever mineral before they let you log in a ship that isnt a miner
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
A PUPP?TMASTER > i lie 90% of time
Not to mention the assertion that he's been tranferring plex in a shuttle "for years" is false, since you couldn't move plex around until last year. And there's little else that can be moved in a shuttle and be worth so much that you can sell easily.
It was always funny how those gooks thought an ingame screenshot would hold up in court for a reversal. Then they try to threaten you via email claiming their company is going to indict you... It's strange how CCP only reverses one level deep though. I would watch the isk flow in and transfer it out as soon as I received it. They only ever reversed the isk sent to me directly that wasn't transferred out quick enough. They never bothered going to the next character and reversing it from there as well. As has been said before, CCP doesn't care about botters, only about people who sell that isk for out of game currency; yet the ones really hurting the players are the ones who don't sell it and manipulate the market or fund alliances.
Going by the comments that have been reposted from some of the bot forums, it seems like CCP care more about banning bots than they used to.
ok I LOL'd
I agree with you to an extent. But, the unknown factor is always going to be exactly how many bots are out there. What may seem like a large number of bots banned could, in fact, only represent a small (single-digit or fractional) percentage of the bots out there.
Insofar as determining any relevant data from what is posted on bot forums and elsewhere is concerned, I consider any such input to be unreliable at best, grossly inaccurate at worst. If I was running bots, I would get on any and all forums I could and post away with multiple alts bemoaning the fact that CCP had just banned all (or most) of my bots. And, continue to do so on any future occasion in which CCP starts getting public about their fight against bots. My rationale being that it only works in my favor to let CCP think their current bot-fighting method represents the pinnacle of anti-botting technology. Thus encouraging them to believe their own publicity and justify not to put further effort into increasing their effectiveness. Which lets me continue to make ISK with those bots which have escaped their notice thus far (or I just newly created, thank you "Power of Two").
The reality is there will most likely never be a way to determine the number of bots in existence. And, as such, there will most likely never be a means of determining the efficacy of any system of deterrents put into place by CCP.
Is it even possible to breed (enough) new Botchars if CCP bans at a much higher rate? Or do you only need some sort of T1 Drake to generate an income which can sustain an account until it reaches its best spent time/gained money potential?
Never thought anyone would claim Horus as 10% more honest than Jogyn
So basically this corpulent italian turbonerd just told us that NCdot still bots, and that CCP Sreegs is still as rotund as he's ever been.
Assume you run your bot 4 Hours a day when your doing other stuff at the PC.
Then lets say the bot makes about 20M/Hour (which should be doable by a T1 Drake).
4H * 20M = 80M/Day
80M * 30Days = 2,4B/Month
Its really trivial to sustain an Account if you don't (need to) value time.
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