Death Race 2012 : The Quick and the Not-so-quick

[Don Peyote]

I think our guys would be even more interested because of that...Especially if I offer up a nice reward or two to the dudes that make it....Maybe some sort of deathrun from aridia passing through 1dh to eventually end up in 319...winner gets something very shiny.


Thanks Barry, I'll have to plan that out for our dudes now I think.

Yeah, would have to be fairly "local" to make sure you can monitor the race properly - while it'd be nice to have a 300+ jump Le Mans style death race around the edge of nullsec, with hundreds of competitors, it'd be impossible to marshal.

The First Annual Delve Derby - coming your way soon!

[Manfred Hideous]

Yeah, would have to be fairly "local" to make sure you can monitor the race properly - while it'd be nice to have a 300+ jump Le Mans style death race around the edge of nullsec, with hundreds of competitors, it'd be impossible to marshal.

The First Annual Delve Derby - coming your way soon!

You don't really need to marshal it. Set up multiple systems that have to be entered in order to qualify for the prize at the end. Have some monitors in each system verify the checkins. The trick is setting the waypoint systems so that the routes would approximate each other (Which they would because most would be using shortest route on autopilot, including the gankers). The smarter ones would take a loss on a couple of jumps and go around the more obvious trap systems.

[Don Peyote]

You don't really need to marshal it. Set up multiple systems that have to be entered in order to qualify for the prize at the end. Have some monitors in each system verify the checkins. The trick is setting the waypoint systems so that the routes would approximate each other (Which they would because most would be using shortest route on autopilot, including the gankers). The smarter ones would take a loss on a couple of jumps and go around the more obvious trap systems.

I actually gave this some thought while I was cleaning and it's doable. It'd require a lot of co-ordination, and you'd have to find provision against Titan bridges, but it could be good fun. Have the final system be a dead-end (such as EVE Gate) and it becomes a little easier to manage, especially since you can just say "get to this system before anyone else". You would need to marshal it against gatecamps by friends of the participants though, as while losing a few racers to incidental gatecamps along the way adds to the fun, having people bring their friends to fix the race is stupid and boring (but would happen if a betting system was involved). Waypoints provide more strategy to the race than just saying "follow this set course and the guy with the Interceptor with warp speed rigs wins", as people are required to choose their own routes and think on their feet.

Not sure anyone would volunteer to do the check-ins, so you'd probably have to pay them - although sitting in local and checking the local logs for a message from the competitors wouldn't really be that difficult.

If I was subbed I'd possibly look into setting a small race up, with low numbers, just inside a single alliance and around a single region, but as it is it'll remain a pipedream

[Manfred Hideous]

If I was subbed, I'd be right there with you. LOL

If there were prizes to be had, I'd make a small one for inties and a larger one for all else. That might discourage the inty pilots from showing up in droves. Maybe disqualify covop cloaky ships altogether.

One big problem with my suggestion is spies. If you have people assigned to watch a system for checking pilots in, they could easily game the system.

[Don Peyote]

Tempted as I am to plan every last detail of this shit out right here, I'm going to resist doing so because that'd be a waste of time for a project that I won't be able to put into action. Hopefully someone will do it one day, and I can smile and say "HEY THAT WAS MY IDEA GIVE ME MONEY OR I'LL SUE (by this time EVE will have copyright laws)"

[Wki]

Jumping in on this thread. I really like the race idea. Way points make the most sense as those would be designated 'check in' sites. I would say list a couple of way points and the end system and have the pilots go at it. However you get to each point is up to you, you just have to check in at each system (order doesnt matter). Keep it open and see what cool ways people us to move around. Even let them use their one jump clone.

The biggest issue is having a neutral organization oversee the race. It would take quite a number of people. Not only do you have to worry about spies, but with systems as waypoints those areas could easily be infested with perma-bubbled gate camps. Who wouldnt want to camp a system knowing a bunch of juicy targets are coming through a gate one at a time? This would need to countered by a neutral system clearing group. This group would keep the campers out of the immediate waypoint areas. It would be hard to organize the number of pilots needed to get it to work.

It could work though since the entire event adds ~content~ and who doesnt want to add that to a bad game?

[Rer]

:French Words: KUGUTSUMEN ANNUAL DELVE DEATH RACE :Roman Numerals:

If we start planning we can have this ready by Winter. And yea no we're actually doing this.

Also gentlemen, a counter point.


Sisi. SOOOOOO many problems averted.

[Don Peyote]

:French Words: KUGUTSUMEN ANNUAL DELVE DEATH RACE :Roman Numerals:

If we start planning we can have this ready by Winter. And yea no we're actually doing this.

Make me proud, Rer - I'm counting on you to deliver the Barry Zuckerkorn Cup to the masses of EVE

[Wki]

You cant do it on Sisi. Half the fun should be that the pilots HAVE to avoid or get through the mountains of scrubs in the game. Clean the waypoints, but the rest is up to the pilot.

Also, it should be said that the pilot needs to fly the same ship the entire race. They might get blown up somewhere, but at each waypoint the ship needs to be the same. Lose a ship, go get another one.

[Manfred Hideous]

In case you meant have the race on Sisi... Fuck Sisi. the potential problems are half the point. Hell, I'd probably run it in an expensive (to me) fit Wreath just to be stupid (which I excel at).

[Rer]

K new unironic thread to discuss this without derailing Themick's too hard coming up.

[Don Peyote]

In case you meant have the race on Sisi... Fuck Sisi. the potential problems are half the point. Hell, I'd probably run it in an expensive (to me) fit Wreath just to be stupid (which I excel at).

Balls-out Nano Machariel or go home

[Rer]

Aww Don stole my swagger , but this is probably for the best

So, a name.

:French Words: KUGUTSUMEN ANNUAL DELVE DEATH RACE :Roman Numerals:
EVE SHOOTOUT DEATH RACE 2012
~Le Don Zuckerkron~
TURBORACE FOR TURBONERDS

(Sorry guys I'm really bored at work and this is just fun to think about)

And just to reinforce this again, I'm entirely serious about doing this. When I get home I am going to get some friends together who might be interested in this and start planning it. Since I'm stupid I'll have my smarter friends start thinking of ways to game the system and how we could prevent it, and in the meantime I'll try to broker some deals with people for space to race in and maybe even prizes. This shall be my EVE magnum opus.

[Don Peyote]

Pepsi Presents The First Annual Kugutsumen Cup sponsored by Budweiser

[Grim]

If its near Delve I will get some tasha newbies in rifters to do this.

[Rer]

If its near Delve I will get some tasha newbies in rifters to do this.

To be quite honest you were going to be the first person I was gonna ask about this. I figured using TASHA space might actually be feasible. I figure we'd start small, maybe 50 entrants, and learn and build.

[Manfred Hideous]

Balls-out Nano Machariel or go home

Like I'll ever have the scratch to buy a mach, let alone fit the thing.

[Grim]

To be quite honest you were going to be the first person I was gonna ask about this. I figured using TASHA space might actually be feasible. I figure we'd start small, maybe 50 entrants, and learn and build.

When I get home I will look at a map and see what we can do. I would suggest keeping the actual route sekret until the race starts.

[Rer]

Nah I'mma go post in on EVE-O GD right now

[Grim]

Nah I'mma go post in on EVE-O GD right now

If I'm involved in planning this I will make sure to sit in a smarbombing BS with a drag bubble up on one of the last gates

[Rer]

Do you guys already have your Delve space or is it still under TEST's banner for the time being? And to add onto that do you have any idea of what your space would be?

I'm aware I'm probably getting ahead of myself and this will probably end up getting gatecamped to hell but I don't care \o/

[Frederick Garrish]

Dude, seriously, this is one of the best ideas ever. Fuck sisi, though. Like that one guy said, the potential problems is what gives this promise. Different strategies will emerge. People working together to break gate camps, people waiting for other people to come through the gate camps and watching them get slaughtered as they make a break for it. People taking place in the race can call their friends to help clear ways out for them. This has all tons of good potential.
As for limiting the amount of entries, I don't think this is a good idea. Maybe limiting the amount of entries per alliance? This might be a good idea. Alliances can pick a team to go so they can be smug? And make the race around the full circle of null-sec? That would encourage a lot more entries, that way like alliances can go set up where the race comes too near their space? And all the check points be in places that can be reached from multiple angles?
I dunno, definately needs to be hammered out, but this is an awesome idea

[Don Peyote]

Someone suggested it should be on SiSi? When?

[Rer]

That would be super badass Frederick, and someday maybe that will be feasible. However to actually try to kick this into life I'm thinking it might be best to start small, build and create a system that makes sense while maximizing fun, and find other people willing to assist in the administrative side of this. Most ideas like this either fail or don't happen because they get too big for a small group of people to actually implement.

If we can have a few successful, but smaller scale races, then it shows we're serious about it and we might receive more assistance from 3rd parties. That's just my thought process though.

I actually registered to assist a SWTOR group who was doing a speeder racing league when I played the game. While EVE is obviously massively different from SWTOR, some of the basic principles and features they had might be a good place to start at, so I'm gonna go take a gander over there later and see how things went for them.

[Frederick Garrish]

Ya dude, I see your point there. It'll take a few times that get a system that works. However it's done I completely endorse this with all my internet powers. Feel proud :-)

On a serious note, if you need help with grunt shit and organizing shit or donations, lemme know, my kugu name is the same as my eve name.

[Grim]

Rer, without looking at a map, my suggestion would be starting in JP4 (TASHA's only station at the moment), and doing a loop down into Period Basis and back. Might be ~30 jumps total I think, and should run into some hostile groups here and there.

[Manfred Hideous]

Actually I'm with fredrick as far as the pilot limits go. It's actually LESS work than having to catalog every pilot who shows in the start system. Have them go into local and type "race" or something. as people reach the final system they say the magic word and you have people F3 their logs and verify against that word.

My point being that limits mean more paperwork. Besides, more pilots means more press. Maybe we can find a way to advertize free kugu propaganda with tinyurls. LOL

It's not like this is the first time this was attempted. When I first started a few years ago, there was a race open to all. can't remember who set it up, though.

E:
Also larger numbers would mean your salmon have a chance to survive the first few gatecamps while going upstream. Smallish numbers and a few bubbles would make for a very short race.

[Don Peyote]

Rer, without looking at a map, my suggestion would be starting in JP4 (TASHA's only station at the moment), and doing a loop down into Period Basis and back. Might be ~30 jumps total I think, and should run into some hostile groups here and there.

You should do that as a trial, just for CFC/HBC members, and then if it works, make it EVE-wide

Actually I'm with fredrick as far as the pilot limits go. It's actually LESS work than having to catalog every pilot who shows in the start system. Have them go into local and type "race" or something. as people reach the final system they say the magic word and you have people F3 their logs and verify against that word.

My point being that limits mean more paperwork. Besides, more pilots means more press. Maybe we can find a way to advertize free kugu propaganda with tinyurls. LOL

It's not like this is the first time this was attempted. When I first started a few years ago, there was a race open to all. can't remember who set it up, though.

Only races I've ever seen have been boring "do this obstacle course on one grid" ones - more like Mario Kart than Paris-Dakar

With regards to prizes, either get sponsors (Blink/BIG might be down) or have an entrance fee - but that might be more difficult if you don't intend to monitor the number of people entering.

[Manfred Hideous]

I'll see if I can proofz it but this has been done before. If I'm wrong, I'll pour a gordon biersch down the drain. Yeah I'm that cereal.

[Rer]

You should do that as a trial, just for CFC/HBC members, and then if it works, make it EVE-wide

Inb4 the race is a Goon conspiracy trap to blow up your precious frigates!

I'll see if I can proofz it but this has been done before. If I'm wrong, I'll pour a gordon biersch down the drain. Yeah I'm that cereal.

I wouldn't in any way be surprised if this was done before, time to do some forum digging.

[Grim]

So are people good with doing this Saturday @ 2000? Starting at JP4 station, T1 (no faction shit) frigates, first guy to make it to the finish line in his ship wins a prize?

I'm a poor, so someone else think of something good for top 3 finishers and give it to Rer (dont trust me with anything).

[Rer]

I'll be handling the first race out of pocket. Does 20:00 on Saturday collide with the AT? If others are cool with it that's fine with me but it might hurt participation.

I think we could have enough volunteers to sit about every, oh I dunno, 4 jumps as check in points? Let's chat on Jabber/IRC/Pidgin when I get home.

[Grim]

I think you only need 1-2 checkpoints. Let people map their own shortest route, as long as they stick to the loop.

To make checkpoints easier you could have an observer sit at a safespot with a can full of strippers or some other novelty item to hand out.

[Rer]

Wouldn't even have to do that honestly, could just have someone sit in a cloaky ship and watch local for a signal, whether it be a simple "X" or "Race". Once the race is done whoever finishes first with all checkpoints verified wins?

[Grim]

Wouldn't even have to do that honestly, could just have someone sit in a cloaky ship and watch local for a signal, whether it be a simple "X" or "Race". Once the race is done whoever finishes first with all checkpoints verified wins?

That is another way to do it. I just want to see a furball as people kill a tackle each other at a point. Otherwise they will just run like cowards as fast as they can to the finish.

[Rer]

Yea I'm thinking about that as well. I don't want to actually call anyone to come camp the race, because then I'm no longer a neutral 3rd party... but I'm kinda hoping they get camped, or someone leaks this to the people who live in those regions. Something to spice it up.

If we went up to Cruisers its less likely people can just run the gauntlet, but then we start getting more expensive hulls involved. Whatcha think stick with Frigates?

[Manfred Hideous]

Maybe we could make it cruiser sized? Force everyone to drop an anchorable can at a planet with their name on it for verification. then you might get those fights, the ships would last a bit longer in a fight, and you'd have the cans as proof of checkpoints.

[Grim]

Yea I'm thinking about that as well. I don't want to actually call anyone to come camp the race, because then I'm no longer a neutral 3rd party... but I'm kinda hoping they get camped, or someone leaks this to the people who live in those regions. Something to spice it up.

If we went up to Cruisers its less likely people can just run the gauntlet, but then we start getting more expensive hulls involved. Whatcha think stick with Frigates?

I would like to see some small camps on the route, but I think it would be cool if we could get some "neutral party" on a titan to break up any dickholes who bubble a gate to fuck and then sit at range in arty canes and welp the entire race.

Lets start with T1 frigates. If its a success we can upgun to cruisers the next time we do it.

[Rer]

The issue with that is A) Lol I'd have to drop a lot of favors to make that happen, B) what about the people who are already dead? Suddenly they're at a disadvantage because we cleared the road after they got blapped.

I think it might be even cooler if people had their *own* death squads on standby to help them kill the other guys death squads.

Wow its almost like we're playing EVE PvP or something.

[Manfred Hideous]

Publicize the race and the content will generate itself. You'll probably see fleets getting into fights just getting into position to gank the racers.

[Wki]

Wow this thing has moved fast since I last checked. Neutral gate camping fleet should be used to stop camps in waypoints or the start and finish. After that they should be on their own. If in you a true pilot you should know how to avoid/get through gate camps.

I like frigates to start. I'll be on a gate in a smart bombing BS. No bubbles cause that is dick.

[Grim]

Publicize the race and the content will generate itself. You'll probably see fleets getting into fights just getting into position to gank the racers.

I suppose the best way to do it then is have 1 point be the midpoint, with lots of different routes to choose.

The one thing I am trying to avoid is a hellcamp on 1 gate that kills everyone.

[Rer]

Makes sense to me! Man I'm actually really excited for this weekend now

I suppose the best way to do it then is have 1 point be the midpoint, with lots of different routes to choose.

The one thing I am trying to avoid is a hellcamp on 1 gate that kills everyone.

Because while fun to watch, if everyone gets in the 0wnzone that's lame

[Manfred Hideous]

I suppose the best way to do it then is have 1 point be the midpoint, with lots of different routes to choose.

The one thing I am trying to avoid is a hellcamp on 1 gate that kills everyone.

You could even go as far as stipulating any of the waypoint systems can be used as start points so long as all are hit by the finish line. That spreads out the starters a bit and I presume the campers would have some trouble getting all of them.

Of course this means the entire course would have to be announced prior to the race.

[Rer]

I think the best course of action to start (just for ease) would be Grim's idea of a start point, and a mid with multiple different routes of entry. Through Diversification we can have gate camps and smarter folk trying to take alternative routes.

[Frederick Garrish]

Call in favors, pssht. You'd be surprised how many people would help get this going with no benefit to themselves. Ya, you'll get the dickheads that try to ruin it for everybody, and maybe at best people trying to eliminate the competition so their side can win, but you'll see other guys trying to just see the race work out for itself.


Oooh, another good idea? Gambling. Bets on the racers!

[Rer]

Oooh, another good idea? Gambling. Bets on the racers!

If TEST's betting service picked up on this that'd be so awesome lol. Maybe after we get a few under our belts.

[Wki]

Only tell people the starting system. Then once everyone is there the mid and end points can be revealed. It is then almost another race in itself if people want to camp part of the route.

[Grim]

If TEST's betting service picked up on this that'd be so awesome lol. Maybe after we get a few under our belts.

That just adds the complexity of pre-registering people, and then the added confusion of people trying to work the system.

I can see it working if we did multiple races, and then did something with a handful of top contenders on a smaller more controlled course.

[Grim]

Also, to be really sneaky we can announce a start system, then have everyone load up on a titan and bridge to a new start.