Meanwhile in highsec... Hulkageddon.

[Mira Z]

Thank God minerals and topes are really cheap right now, or this whole initiative would suck.

Careful now, people would actually have to have been paying attention to the market to realise this was sarcasm.

The isotope prices, which have variously doubled to quadruppled since the introduction of fuel blocks last year - oxygen isotopes are least affected because no fucker uses them anymore. Since POSes are needed to react t2 materials this is going to have a big effect for t2 goods. While any reaction with technetium in it remains profitable, the others increasingly aren't.

So t2 prices are going to go all over the place. People are bailing out of lower end reactions to either switch to tech products or cash in entirely. In the short term thats going to push the price of tech, and hence t2 products, up. In the medium term the overproduction of fullerides and nanotransistors relative to everything else is going to drive the price of the former down just as the price of the later starts bouncing up hard. I have no idea what will happen to t2 prices then.

If you pay attention you could probably make a tidy profit by cornering the right material when it hits the bottom of its price cycle.

[Ecocrexis]

If you pay attention you could probably make a tidy profit by cornering the right material when it hits the bottom of its price cycle.

NOPE. Can't market pvp for shit. Its pretty much one of the few areas of eve I have never tried.
So al this talk o making tons of money is useless to the financially inept like me.

[ihaveahelmet]

Spend 1b on a random item, forget about it for a year and hope you made a profit when you remember you had that pile of random shit stashed.

[Rer]

Log on Sisi every now and then and see what's up, or just have very smart and generous friends

[Aurora148]

it'll be funny to watch all the people who stockpiled Thulium lose a tonne of isk when CCP announce moon mineral changes which don't make it superawfuckamazing.

They might even do it intentionally.

[Prodnovick]

Why would someone stock thulium? I have never bothered to research moon goo markets.

[Some Market Dude]

Because it`s an incredibly cheap r64. Therefore, in theory, any goo rebalance would see it rise significantly in price, as a balanced goo system should have r64s as the most valuable goos and they should all more or less be within the same value bracket (think 20k-40k pu).

The problem with this theory is that it is predicated on the idea that CCP can ever balance the goo market with a sensible variation of goo values (it will never happen).

[poaw]

Wouldn't it not matter much if Thulium demand increased because of massive existing stockpiles?

[Some Market Dude]

Wouldn't it not matter much if Thulium demand increased because of massive existing stockpiles?

Also correct. I was considering adding an edit saying as much, but I'm a terrible person and insufferably lazy.

[Fix Lag]

Well, everyone sold out their tech at one point expecting a rebalance, and see how that went for them.

[Mira Z]

Actually, it looks like someone has been playing silly buggers with the thulium price this week as it's jumped up to around 3800 per unit. Offload while you can I guess.

As for tech, I still dream that CCP will turn around some random patch day and say "Suprise, we just rebalanced tech by swapping it with thulium as an ingredient in all the reactions they were in.", just for the sheer epic amount of tears that would be generated.

[Della Monk]

Actually, it looks like someone has been playing silly buggers with the thulium price this week as it's jumped up to around 3800 per unit. Offload while you can I guess.

As for tech, I still dream that CCP will turn around some random patch day and say "Suprise, we just rebalanced tech by swapping it with thulium as an ingredient in all the reactions they were in.", just for the sheer epic amount of tears that would be generated.

"Unstable Reactions"
Every few days all the ingredients in reactions shuffle around.
Just to keep people on their toes.

[Mira Z]

"Unstable Reactions"
Every few days all the ingredients in reactions shuffle around.
Just to keep people on their toes.

As changes go, CCP could do a lot worse. You know, like they always do.

[Some Market Dude]

Well, everyone sold out their tech at one point expecting a rebalance, and see how that went for them.

True, but that's actually a different point. In that case you're betting that it's the next "bottleneck". Although it's a better bet by putting your money against a successful balancing, you're still trying to predict the actual bottlenecked mineral from among...fuck, let's say 8 (r32s + r64s) to be generous to CCP. In the original scenario, if thulium is just one of 4 valuable r64s, stockpiles could outlast the lifetime of Eve.

I can think of far better items for long term speculation. However, if you wanted to dump a few billion in on an extreme longshot, buy when thulium is low (2-3k), and you can always get out later when it's at a high (3-4k).

[Booyaka]

Or you can just get lucky. I made a nice bit of isky, because I decided to re-sub when the gallente ice interdiction was going on. I had gallente topes all over eve though. Even with courier contracts (people moving my stuff) I was able to make about ~10b profit.

Kind of a funny thing happened. I made my collateral lower than the market value because the price had just started going down. About 30% of the courier contracts were stolen and I made a profit on each one of those, because I got the collateral back but didn't have to pay for transport, while the price of topes was crashing.

[Weaselior]

Careful now, people would actually have to have been paying attention to the market to realise this was sarcasm.

The isotope prices, which have variously doubled to quadruppled since the introduction of fuel blocks last year - oxygen isotopes are least affected because no fucker uses them anymore. Since POSes are needed to react t2 materials this is going to have a big effect for t2 goods. While any reaction with technetium in it remains profitable, the others increasingly aren't.

So t2 prices are going to go all over the place. People are bailing out of lower end reactions to either switch to tech products or cash in entirely. In the short term thats going to push the price of tech, and hence t2 products, up. In the medium term the overproduction of fullerides and nanotransistors relative to everything else is going to drive the price of the former down just as the price of the later starts bouncing up hard. I have no idea what will happen to t2 prices then.

If you pay attention you could probably make a tidy profit by cornering the right material when it hits the bottom of its price cycle.

Yeah, hulkageddon, drone minerals being removed, and tech spiking all at the same time has basically driven the eve economy into a recession. A lot of economic activity simply isn't happening because demand and prices are too unreliable: people don't want to get left holding the bag.

[Prodnovick]

Yeah, hulkageddon, drone minerals being removed, and tech spiking all at the same time has basically driven the eve economy into a recession. A lot of economic activity simply isn't happening because demand and prices are too unreliable: people don't want to get left holding the bag.

I think you deserve to be a bit more about this.

[Weaselior]

I think you deserve to be a bit more about this.

"i can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half"

[Mira Z]

Yeah, hulkageddon, drone minerals being removed, and tech spiking all at the same time has basically driven the eve economy into a recession. A lot of economic activity simply isn't happening because demand and prices are too unreliable: people don't want to get left holding the bag.

CCP have done an amazing job to ensure that the EVE economy is just as fucked as the one in the real world.

[Mira Z]

So...

Which prominent EVE personality are we going to compare to Angela Merkel then?

[Malcanis]

CCP have done an amazing job to ensure that the EVE economy is just as fucked as the one in the real world.

Many things that are terrible and horrible in the real world (war, terrorism, piracy, economic chaos) are great for game worlds.

[Kevin]

Market's way up on a lot of things atm, mineral nerf, hulkageddon, technetium, bot bannings.

I wish i could take a short on the market, oh well.

[Grogoth]

You can traditionally short the market, by boosh selling all the shit you have

[Mr Coloredshirt]

You can traditionally short the market, by boosh selling all the shit you have

sweet, time to fuck up the market by selling my two bombers and 12000 cn antimatter l

[Kevin]

You can traditionally short the market, by boosh selling all the shit you have

BRB afking a mackinaw in Osmon.

[Grogoth]

Sorry you guys didn't plan on this when shit was cheap

[Kevin]

I sold my tech stockpiles back at 115k

Actually not sadface but eh

[Grogoth]

Yeah, me too - I collected tons of it at about 85k, and sold at between 100 and 150

That said, I did buy 2 jump freighters, so same same

[Pielemieni]

Hulkageddon has also some funny impact on low-sec, as you can now find plenty of ~mining Megathrons~ and stranded Hulks on the belts there.

Gotta love the battleship tears. Thank you Goons, please send us more.

[Combat Scrub]

Hulkageddon has also some funny impact on low-sec, as you can now find plenty of ~mining Megathrons~ and stranded Hulks on the belts there.

Gotta love the battleship tears. Thank you Goons, please send us more.

There are a few quiet pockets of losec with decent belt counts, stations, and low traffic due to autopilot routes that I thought might see increased activity with this, but I'd have expected aligned coveters with an in-POS Orca or Rorq and maybe a couple BCs to clear rats at most. Losec isn't exactly a smart place to have a squad of hulks with orca support and gang links, unless you have great scouting a couple systems out and a lot of luck...

[Pielemieni]

There are a few quiet pockets of losec with decent belt counts, stations, and low traffic due to autopilot routes that I thought might see increased activity with this, but I'd have expected aligned coveters with an in-POS Orca or Rorq and maybe a couple BCs to clear rats at most. Losec isn't exactly a smart place to have a squad of hulks with orca support and gang links, unless you have great scouting a couple systems out and a lot of luck...

I would expect the same, though... You should never underestimate the stupidity of freaked-out hisec miners.

Mining Megathron with a sidekick Iteron standing motionless @ motionless at the belt in lowsec - check, didn't manage to kill them both only because I got bumped from the roid when landing on them and had to crawl back a bit to put tackle on Megas (I was flying a goddamn armor tanked Myrmidon...).

Hulk mining @ zero at the belt in the next lowsec system, didn't even move when my cloaky alt appeared next to him by my mistake. Promptly warped to him with my main and alpha'd it. Check.

Not to mention the hordes of Ospreys that litter the lowsec systems here and there. Funny thing to do when you have like an hour or so for playing in a busy weekday or have to kill some time waiting for a CTA.

[Banlish]

I used to think this was bad for the game, but as I'm easing into my 7th year of play I actually really think it's a good thing. I know we'll have tons of carebears (I am in thought, though I haven't carebeared in almost 2 years) thinking that this is the death of xyz part of the game that people like. But I think it's going to serve to get some people to consider doing something they haven't done before. CHANGE!

I know many will say they can't find a good alliance to join to mine in, or some will go to low sec and get blown to bits that way, or whatever. But I'm sorta hoping a ton of carebears will use this as the final excuse not to leave the game, but to try something new. Someone link em this tiny list if you know where they hang out.

1. Go into a wormhole OR join a wormhole alliance/corp.
2. Join a 0.0 alliance with shitty 0.0 space, even a -0.01 has ALL the ore they had in high sec and a few low sec ones like Hed, hemo and Jaspet.
3. Try some of the 'pocket' low sec's if the idea of 0.0 is to scary, there are more then a few low sec area's that don't go anywhere but right back into high sec. If you have good scouts you can frequently mine for weeks or months before anyone realizes you are doing so.
4. Scan down hidden belts in low sec and rorqual op it, check D-scan for probes and mine away.
5. Join a 'big corp' 100+ and pvp in junk ships like ceptors, dictors and other tackle, they'll LOVE you for it and in return you'll get to mine most of the week anyway. You might just LIKE the pvp and have something to do with all the isk you've been making with the mining.

It all boils down to getting out of your comfort zone and trying other aspects of the game, back in '06 I was really worried about going into 0.0. We were mining as a corp for 5 to 10 hour stints all week long as we got to know each other and had fun. Once we got out to 0.0 we were beaten quickly and shown that 0.0 isn't easy, however it was worth it and after about 5 months we haven't done daily, weekly or even monthly mining as a corp in forever. We love to PVP and be assholes on coms to each other, the idea of mining as a corp is frankly boring. It might happen if the prices go high enough (like 300 mill per hour EACH per hulk) but even then I think they'd revolt against the idea in a few minutes anyway.

Long story short, the carebears have to adapt and this might just force it. Yes anyone with basic market awareness realizes this will make ANYONE and I do mean anyone with hulk production and some tech to build the hulks with mad bank. But so what, that's what's best about EVE. There ARE chances like this to go make 10 to 30 billion if you know what to do.

Coming back into the game after about 5 months and mineral prices across the board are 50% to 500% higher in most things makes me a happy panda sitting on a nice mineral basket, moon goo basket and something like 10 built freighters sitting in Jita. From what everyone is saying in here it seems like a great time to slowly start selling into the rise and cash in a bit.

[Banlish]

I'm actually wondering if the Providence holders and some of the coaltions smaller alliances see any sort of increase in members when these events hit?

[Grim]

I'm actually wondering if the Providence holders and some of the coaltions smaller alliances see any sort of increase in members when these events hit?

Well, my alliance is currently trying to make the move out of highsec into 0.0. Some in leadership see the explosion of wardecs, ganks, and other shit as the impetus some members need to make the move (and not go running back after they lose their first drake).

[Raketefrau]

It all boils down to getting out of your comfort zone and trying other aspects of the game, back in '06 I was really worried about going into 0.0. We were mining as a corp for 5 to 10 hour stints all week long as we got to know each other and had fun. Once we got out to 0.0 we were beaten quickly and shown that 0.0 isn't easy, however it was worth it and after about 5 months we haven't done daily, weekly or even monthly mining as a corp in forever. We love to PVP and be assholes on coms to each other, the idea of mining as a corp is frankly boring. It might happen if the prices go high enough (like 300 mill per hour EACH per hulk) but even then I think they'd revolt against the idea in a few minutes anyway.

Bobby and Tronaar on security ftw.

Or Frau Formaggio sending out a heavy drone to get rat aggro, then setting 4 repper drones on it to tank for the mining op.

That was back when we were in Wicked Creek, like 5 years ago. You should log in, Ban, the past week has been our first ops with Shadoo on comms since those days when we were all in KOS.

[Banlish]

Bobby and Tronaar on security ftw.

Or Frau Formaggio sending out a heavy drone to get rat aggro, then setting 4 repper drones on it to tank for the mining op.

That was back when we were in Wicked Creek, like 5 years ago. You should log in, Ban, the past week has been our first ops with Shadoo on comms since those days when we were all in KOS.

I'm working on it, I always visit kugu for about a week, write a few outpost or whatever updates then throw myself back into the game. This time I'll avoid alliance level leadership like the plague and hopefully won't get burned out again (for like the 11th time). Though I have to admit, being blue to Shadoo really does show that it might take a LONG damn time. But eventually everything in EVE goes full circle.

Shadoo and I sat there shoot RA back in the day, 6 years later, we'll be sitting there shoot RA on the exact other side of the map from Insmother. Just goes to show you that if you can stay with this game (and all the ups and downs EVERY corp/alliance will have) you do eventually start to get to know almost everyone that's a 'lifer'. Just takes a god damn LONG time.

[Bill Schwartzski]

came here to post some tears for you tear farmers out there.

I made a bunch of fuel blocks right when they came out, about a 4 month stock for a large. I took a vacation from the wormhole to come back and make more fuel blocks. Holy shit! They're like four times the price now! For Hydrogen Isotopes! What in the ever loving shit is going on! Exclamation points! Tears.

Basically it costs me the same to run a large POS for 1.5 weeks as it used to to run it for a whole month. I'm literally crying blood.

edit: posting it here because I assume it has to do with the general Goons-fucking-with-the-economy jizzfest

[Quesa]

There are a few quiet pockets of losec with decent belt counts, stations, and low traffic due to autopilot routes that I thought might see increased activity with this, but I'd have expected aligned coveters with an in-POS Orca or Rorq and maybe a couple BCs to clear rats at most. Losec isn't exactly a smart place to have a squad of hulks with orca support and gang links, unless you have great scouting a couple systems out and a lot of luck...

Here is hoping the ghetto gets some mining boosts in the near future to entice some more industrial adventurists.

[Raketefrau]

came here to post some tears for you tear farmers out there.

I made a bunch of fuel blocks right when they came out, about a 4 month stock for a large. I took a vacation from the wormhole to come back and make more fuel blocks. Holy shit! They're like four times the price now! For Hydrogen Isotopes! What in the ever loving shit is going on! Exclamation points! Tears.

Basically it costs me the same to run a large POS for 1.5 weeks as it used to to run it for a whole month. I'm literally crying blood.

edit: posting it here because I assume it has to do with the general Goons-fucking-with-the-economy jizzfest

It's because CCP wanted to boost miners, so they made drone rats stop dropping isotopes.

Wait, what?

It must have to do with ice miners switching to minerals. As it turns out, CCP can fuck the mining economy even more than goons. Go figure.

[Manfred Hideous]

It's because CCP wanted to boost miners, so they made drone rats stop dropping isotopes.

Wait, what?

It must have to do with ice miners switching to minerals. As it turns out, CCP can fuck the mining economy even more than goons. Go figure.

I like what they did. I'm seeing fewer T2/T3 ships these days and people who fly T1 engage more often. I'm still dying most of the time though. :scrub:

[Hilmar Keller]

The only saving grace of ice mining used to be that you could reliably do it AFK without botting for 10-15 minute increments. Running three Mackinaws with Orca bonuses, sure, not great ISK (maybe 50-60m/hour) but the fact that you could get other stuff done while making ISK made it attractive.

Now, though, if you're not watching your screens/local you're bound to get fucked, and if you're watching your screens you might as well be mining for minerals. Or, you know, actually playing the game you're paying to play.

[Kevin]

How many hulks and macks are actually dying now, however?

[Atticus]

I tried mining once. I had a mackinaw and a hulk. I fell asleep twice and lost both ships to rats. Never again.

[Rer]

I mine when I watch YouTube/Hulu on my other monitor

[Dsan]

Show me a place to mine and a hulk and I'll sit in a belt for a few hours a week shoveling in that isk..
Atleast as it is right now.

[Pielemieni]

Show me a place to mine and a hulk and I'll sit in a belt for a few hours a week shoveling in that isk..
Atleast as it is right now.

Amameke, top belt. ^^

[Mira Z]

It's because CCP wanted to boost miners, so they made drone rats stop dropping isotopes.

Wait, what?

It must have to do with ice miners switching to minerals. As it turns out, CCP can fuck the mining economy even more than goons. Go figure.

This. There simply isn't enough mining going on to service the economy. CCP need to introduce more minerals etc into the game or watch as subscriptions drop because you have to grind too much to get into a fun ship

[Hilmar Keller]

"Shoveling ISK" is still a gross exaggeration of what mining's worth with a solo Hulk and would still take like two full days of mindless hauling back-and-forth just to pay for the Hulk.

I'm looking forward to moon goo mining; maybe then I'll resub my mining accounts.

[Malcanis]

The only saving grace of ice mining used to be that you could reliably do it AFK without botting for 10-15 minute increments. Running three Mackinaws with Orca bonuses, sure, not great ISK (maybe 50-60m/hour) but the fact that you could get other stuff done while making ISK made it attractive.

Now, though, if you're not watching your screens/local you're bound to get fucked, and if you're watching your screens you might as well be mining for minerals. Or, you know, actually playing the game you're paying to play.

But that's good. Artificially cheap ice products have been a factor in a lot of problems (remember Sov POS spam?) for a long time now. I hope ice product prices keep going up. I hope they hit double what they are now.

[Raketefrau]

But that's good. Artificially cheap ice products have been a factor in a lot of problems (remember Sov POS spam?) for a long time now. I hope ice product prices keep going up. I hope they hit double what they are now.

Because fueling a POS wasn't the worst thing in all of gaming already?