this thread has way too many gimmick accounts.
this thread has way too many gimmick accounts.
I think it's stupid to tease -A- for not putting up a fight now when they have maneuvered themselves over a very long time into a position where they cannot put up a fight (lack of experienced FCs, lack of warchest/income streams, lack of coalition building).
Right now they have no choice but to work with whatever is at hand and survival of the alliance itself is probably the highest priority (and it's notable that few people question whether -A- will be able to live through another retreat to npc space; why endanger that with a supercap welp?).
If you were put in charge of -A- as it is now (and not in charge of a hypothetical -A- that underwent major reforms several months ago) would you really seek these engagements?
Smart AAA leadership would seek to fight whatever engagements they could stand the remotest chance of winning. But now theyre probably at the point where the SC pilots themselves hvae no willingness to hang their nads out there.
Maka is a terribad and I can only hope that him getting embarrassed by dbrb 15 times a day will be enough to make everyone not fly with him
Sup guys I lost my Tempest because I forgot to disengage drones. I am bad at this game, guilty as charged.
As an observer, you and Grath are both right.. What Grath wants ( the truly tastey fight of your lifes - not to mention they aren't in a position to use SC/Caps as you will hotdrop them in an instant ) is only going to happen if the entire South use every super they have with guarantee - hence a lack of experience from a few seasons of fearing a superior foe - raping your assets and low morale... ( if x13 rejoined Raiden would be a good start ) ..
Even then as we've seen in the tech3 fights that -A- tried, the small guys do make a difference, as they pin the fleet down and make it easier to whittle away the numbers... And the sheer replacement rate is tricky.. Being bandwagon versus in-game-alliance.
I've also to agree some of the -A- Fc'ing leads a lot to be desired ( almost fake rage ) ; futile anger and little attention span ( ironically )... but they do engage with the big numbers the CFC brings.. so you gotta give some credit like Nulli's fight.
That intrinsic difference is the same problem Roadkill had against the Goons... and why really the marriage between Test and Goons is bad for the game.. Yet some kind of civil war won't happen, and in the same way PL loves Goons, Goons love PL as some aspiring shangri la for the common grunt. Its lovelLLLLLLy to see such man love between Test, Goons and PL...
Which goes back to my original observation,, and a notion I've felt for awhile, that the CFC, OTEC block has no reason to exist, as there isnt a single enemy that can face them.. No amount of pidgeon facing, chesty big man boobbery will really cover over the fact the North is fucking Rich.. And yes, SoCo may make some amount of money from their scrub renter shit.. but I think, and its a guess, without playing or being a snooper that they have less income than the bloc against them.. Surely this is fact...
And in the end this entire campaign is an excuse to burn abundant isk before the tech nerf... Which means its going to end up boring ;(
I've heard it in the inflection of the voices involved.. You all know this is a truth ;-)
just neck bearding it up dude, why are you so angry... Also the shit post so boring;... last sentry,
For somebody who claims they don't care about rep you sure do try to negrep people a lot, Richter.
just smh you realize that shit won't work because it's half your power rounded down right
I have a giant dick under my belt.
[spoiler= -A- Dude on SuperCaps][quote=midi2304][COLOR=#333333]Maybe if team tech knew how to use supers properly they wouldn't be taking yards of mittani cock all over the north at the moment?[/COLOR][/quote][/spoiler]
under the back of your belt
Ron Mexxico - Broski North
Helios Black > not mad ron
First lets talk money. There is money in the south, the notion that the south is devoid of any moons of value is beyond absurd, and something that the southern residents have long played up. The Neo moon content of Delve and Querious alone brings in 70 billion a month after fuel.
After fuel. Thats a very small portion of the entire south, and thats only one type of moon, that also doesn't account for ratting taxes (what TEST used to pay all of their sov and upgrades from) or renter income. The mismanagement of assets that produce that money can't be blamed on anybody but the southern residents.
Propaganda alone is what drives the whole "The south is poor" bit, they're not poor, theres plenty here, but lets look at what is done with it:
Or rather, nothing that matters in a current eve tactics and politics sense of the word.
So lets move to the next bit then, Fleet composition and training doctrines. The northern entities and even the SOLAR to the east rely on BS fleet doctrines, skilled bomber wings, BC back up fleets, and most of all Capital and Supercapital fleets. These things are relatively cheap, and give the most bang for the buck in the hands of a line member. Replacing losses is simple. Capitals are literally a must have now days in the Sov game, there is no if and or but about it, you will field and lose them or you will be constantly pushed out of your space.
Instead of investing in a diverse and functional set of fleet comps, and a capital program that puts the power into the line members hand, AAA has decided that flash is the way to go, in the form of t3 fleets. Think about the cost of a 250 man tengu fleet for a minute. At 500 million a hull (low balling it) thats the basic equal to a 125 man carrier fleet, or 80 dreads. On a day where 25 tengus die (which we'll call an average day for Maka) thats basically losing 6 dreads, or 12 carriers. In the face of 200 maels would you rather have 250 tengus, or 80 dreads? Which do you think would serve the interests of your coalition and bloc better? Even if they're being supplied directly with hulls, why wouldn't you sell them and convert the isk into something more productive for your alliance? How many times now has Maka lost a tengu fleet or loki fleet that basically equals a a force of caps that size? How many fights would a fleet of Slow Cats or Fat Cats altered the outcome of that their coward tengus had absolutely no effect on at all?
Even still, after a year of constant combat against caps, are AAA pushing for that? No, they've moved from AB tengus, to 100mn AB tengus, to Lokis, and they expect some different outcome.
I'm sorry there will be no different outcome, and the losses of their allies and their members fall directly on the heads of the people that refuse to own up to their failures and institute change.
The money is there, the pilot skill points are there, the numbers, are even there, or a close enough approximation that would allow for an actual defense to be laid down, but the leadership is actually fucking mentally retarded, and can't see the forest for the trees.
AAA has, by itself, 283 Supercaps and titans on file, of which 159 have had activity in the past 3 months. Thats not a bad number, and its only ONE member of the southern coalition. Raiden, though slightly diminished, still has a respectable 265 supercaps on file, of which about half have seen action in the past 90 days. So the idea that "They don't have the weight to back it up" isn't true.
The fact is that why should any member of a southern alliance risk its assets to AAA's decision making? AAA surely won't put their own to use, and its not money that stops that from happening, they have plenty, in one form or another. Its simply that they're not willing to see those supers on their own killboard in loss form, no matter the outcome of the fight, even winning it, and taking losses, is just not something they'll live with.
So the "Poor mouth under gunned outnumbered spartans" deal is just a line of bullshit, anybody that wants to do any fact checking at all will be blatantly shocked by the complete and utter incompetence displayed year in and year out by Herc, Maka, and the rest that push the belief that AAA should somehow be making any decisions at all.
And there are billions to be made on market in 0.0 if you are just willing to invest some iskies initially. Its pretty much impossible to end up with a loss. I was down to 5b in personal wealth a few months ago, and now Im back above 30b,all thru market manipulation. Could have made ALOT more if I went nuts like I did when I where isking for my supers, but whatever.
And thats one duder's effort.
Each time Ive pointed this out to people they just go "maaan, that sounds hard....effort!11!!". And its really not.
Your intel is much better than what I glean from the interwebs. But I think " active " is the key word here.. and I still hazard a guess . when you compare your [bloc] to SoCos those that are willing to actually risk them, are much more in your favour. And this still masks over the fact OTEC can replace any lost Supers in a fight...
On paper the numbers are even.. It might be worth the risk. Yet its the same point bandwagon versus IGA and the fact, some pub/scrub is going to have to grind his shit out in a fucking boring game, to replace it...
NoCo has the support advantage.
We need to get back to 5-6 blocks is the best thing for this game.
Supers do not spring from thin air, they are built. Money has never been the limiting factor in replacing supers, its always the logistics of having a place to build them, getting the materials to that place and keeping the build safe.
And all of that means that you'll still have to WAIT while its built.
PL has no ship yards, and the members of OTEC do not just randomly produce supers to have them laying around (thats a waste, and a theft waiting to happen). The idea that we could replace them any more or less easy is a myth propagated by cowards who simply create reasons not to use the ships they've built.
Replacing supers is the same relatively level of difficulty for everybody, it stopped being about money a long time ago.
I think -a- went for tengus and assorted t3 shit because *gasp* it works because of sig and resists against a superior numbers wasn't it?I mean it does work but not against goons+test+pl why?because they will facefuck you with numbers.
And grath we all know the south is rich as fuck , i mean everyone that conquers it from -A- stays there and defends there space, i mean last time you whitnoise nc and raiden came south you stayed here because it was a one of the richer regions of eve.
And yes they have allot of supers but they dont have your FCs, and basically couldn't cope with a super loss why?Because you could replace your supers they could not , and after all the props and "good figths" you and your alliance would write here, -a- and they south would never really recover.
Granted -a- are shit and faggots and all but you are the biggest faggots of them all i mean you are allied for what 5 years? And now are promoting test and making them a goons v2 for what exactly? For all youre bravado and figth shit you are allied with the 2 most biggest alliances in game.
Man, it's like you don't read at all.
Have to laugh at the idea of an alliance being too broke to wage war. I remember back in the day Goonfleet used to fund big wars by borrowing off their membership (always paid em back too!(unless you count the titan fund))
I think that's untrue, because your probably masking the fact you've got long standing relationships - and top notch alt infrastructure.
And that any PL gravy train is going to pass with impunity.. Not to mention you've brosef style builders on your loosely [ other than a badly defined bloc war ] to supply you in substitution of the NC.
No argument should be based on economics or numbers in this game; I can just try to see that this is the reason they are so reluctant to give the epic fight the game needs..
Someone needs to come clean, would be great to see who is really the richer
The best demonstration of the status quo is how NC.dot is able to hold off the entire SOLAR coalition
Yes, there are long webs. And yes, there are also target painters. Just because you haven't seen the alphafleet killing tengus like clockwork every volley from the 1400s doesn't mean it hasn't happened to some people. Plus, two maels are cheaper than a loki I think, and three scorpions are about equal. It's not just throwing ships mindlessly at the bloody T3s, it's point, web, TP and co-ordinated F1 pressing.
Or I guess you can just take the fact drakes are so much cheaper and just throw a few drakefleets at 60 lokis, but I don't think it took that many to kill those 48 lokis.
Iam not telling they(pl+goons+test) aren't doing fine , what iam saying it is a hypocrisy telling -a- to fight for e-honor when clearlly they do not?
I think PL would be best served if they fought everyone )
We're here to burn Delve. It's easier if they sit in their bubbled and camped 319 station. Delve has been burned quite nicely, and the capitals have gotten their structure killmails. Now there's more to burn before we reach -A-'s home. And we'll get there faster if their "allies" continue to "stay the course" and let us take their sov and break all their spacesandcastles.
I'm sure we'll tire and lose control of it. Maybe, after -A- is done posing as your savior, you might even get it back. Or maybe not, after all you didn't seem to be holding onto it earlier.
somebody give me a loaner revelation i want to kill -a- things for trying to camp me into stain
Ron Mexxico - Broski North
Helios Black > not mad ron
It's not Shadoo's fault that your supers are logged off and your bloc-level FCs are ten kinds of shit.
It's not Montolio's fault that your leaders have no financial savvy, ambition, or capability to draw in fresh blood constantly.
Get your shit together or get the fuck out.
Lol - other SoCo members constantly say its 200 vs 800 or something. Will someone explain to me why the fuck that is? a few weeks ago RA alone was fielding fleets of 150-200. Nulli was fielding 150-200. -A- should be able to field MORE than that (En Garde and other faggots etc). + Raiden (60-80?), Init (60-80?), FAIL (100+?). So whats the excuse? The only one I can see is an utter and complete failure in leadership, and honestly I wish PL or someone with capable leaders would switch sides just so they can kick some of your useless fucking asses into gear.
And I've said it before but just for the record - I am part of SoCo. This isn't spin or propaganda this is me asking a serious question. We are outnumbered, but honestly with all these southern groups aligned together, we should more than be able to put up a much better fight. I feel like I'm missing something ?
I really think you decided to take a grab bag of words, shake it up and try to form a sentence from them. It just doesn't make sense.
Also, wasn't it -A- who backstabbed goons back in the day? The fact that they became one of the largest groups in Eve just seems like the chicken coming home to roost.
Are you seriously calling people faggots just because they are more powerful(which is questionable, as the SOCO could, on paper at least, give them a run for their money)?
[ 2013.05.11 03:30:09 ] Jace Vorrin > THEMICK MCCOY SENDS HIS REGARDS :smug:
Yeah... but even in tengu vs tengu brawls they lose.
CFC lost 1 vs 20 SoCo tengus in C3N. Then that tengu fleet ran away and later came back? (I don't even know, it wasn't Makalu's tengu fleet I think)
The true fact is that PL can't do shit alone any more. The PL SC advantage is still a threat because of the numbers PL and Test can bring to the table, in order to provide cover for that same fleet. That's why they had good fights with Nulli for a while, and only when Test came to the ground they started to use the SC's again. They simply don't have the numbers to be relevant any more, not after the nerfs SC's suffered. They have to be sided with the Big alliances, preferably the stronger ones.
That's why I laugh at all these PL guys thinking that they matter. The real opponent are Goons/Test and pets and that's all. PL only makes what Goons want when Goons want. As soon CFC goes away, PL SC fleet will disappear from the field, not being relevant the fact if the job is done or not. That's not a PL decision. That's a Goon/Test decision.
Oh and also could be that motivation and morale is not that high at the moment. 50 bubbles on station and swarm of titans outside could have something to do with it.
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I thought this war was no longer about good fights. Why are there now 20+ pages bitching about no good fights?