By "public fleets" are we talking public fleets or are we talking hardcore legion blitzing or nightmares or something?Originally Posted by Mfume
By "public fleets" are we talking public fleets or are we talking hardcore legion blitzing or nightmares or something?
You are also a thieving black, so add that in there as well
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get money get paid
From what I can remember 2x silicate was still not worth it because you need a larger tower as well to anchor more miners, the fuel cost practically eating the extra profit. But maybe prices changed since then
I seem to remember you can't mine more than one of each type of material, so if there are f.ex 2 silicates, one of them is completely useless.
In the eve guides vid, there was a T2 harvester being used. I can't find one on the market, so I assume they were deleted?
I thought that was never seeded on tranq for some reason, it was just in the item database?
not the super-duper baller-as-fuck incursion fleets, but better than BTL Pub.
Mfume Apocal - Origin. - Black Legion.
Of course you can, just one moon miner per source, that means you'll have to use two moon miners to get the 2x silicates, and a third moon miner for whatever else is on the moon. Matos is correct though, it's hard to make it all fit on a medium tower.
Caldari medium can fit three silos and three harvesters with room to spare. Unfortunately the small is just shy of enough CPU to fit a pair of silos/harvesters.
That assumes the POS builder website I use is still accurate.
A legion fleet with damnation/legion bonuses, 2 guardians, with someone scouting next-door systems doing purely NCO's will easily do this. Especially if there is more then one incursion running in highsec.
Well if I get nothing else from this thread it's defo been a learning experience. Once I start something I tend to go overboard (and I get sucked in to puzzling out something like this). Instead of a single small I'm doing a medium and a small (and the original small in Manfred's corp) and running a reaction that will MAYBE have made this POS thing profitable enough to bother with it. Modest relative to what most of the peeps here manage to pull in but a comfy bit for my playstyle.
That or I'll be destitute by the end of the month. LOL
You cant dumb fuck, if they are from the same type
Apparently you have no clue about moon mining
New Drone hordes give you about 26-31m per site, no loot, no faction, shit escalations with faction ships that dont have bounties
WTS Drone Regions 0.1isk
That blows, tbh. I make that in forlorn hubs.
How fast can they be cleared?
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50min NCN
didn't want that isk/hr anyways o7 gf incursions
hello mining
So Drone Regions turned from "Shit because looting/salvaging is annoying" to "They are just shit" for ratters?New Drone hordes give you about 26-31m per site, no loot, no faction, shit escalations with faction ships that dont have bounties
WTS Drone Regions 0.1isk
Pretty sure they're going to fix drone regions to offer faction loot and such. If we bitch hard enough.
Solo carrier needs about 20-25mins so thats around 2-3 sites an hour. They can be done around 10mins with dualboxing or a buddy. So not that special.50min NCN
didn't want that isk/hr anyways o7 gf incursions
hello mining
There are literally shit for moons in Oasa. I believe in all of oasa, there only really profitable moon is the single neo that hades. is mining.
So I happened to be in HighSec today, figured I'd jump in a few Incursion fleets and try to make some quick cash.
Holy shit are Incursions dead, I didn't see any active fleets nor enough people to form one. Did everyone go back to doing Level 4s?!
Pretty much, yeah.
Yea so you WERE making 180-200m/hour in really pimp fleets (I have, a really pimp nightmare FOR said fleets, no big deal) before the *tweak*
Now you're making about 70-80m/hour in the same blinged out fleets. I haven't tried it myself so I'm not sure how accurate that is, but the incursion channels I'm in kinda died off
70-80M hour is more than fine for hi-sec grinding tbh.
Those numbers sound seriously stacked but regardless the amount of incursioners who won't be running anymore are gonna fuck up the effectiveness of specialized shiny fleets. (I'm assuming that you don't run all the things only ncos or some shit Grath)
-PL gets 2 CSM
-2 months later CCP nerfs pretty much every income of eve that is not moon mining
Insert obligatory trolly "Dev Legion?" question here.
Good to see bearing nerfed. Now please remove anomalies altogether and remove mining plexes.
Then buff belt rats and mining speed and we can all have fun making isk/getting kills in belts again instead of this gay shit of having to afk camp a mining system to have a chance of killing one exhumer that is part of a mining op making silly amounts of ISK
I'm just surprised how quick the bears were to forsake their past god-given ISK sink. It was a ghost town in multiple fresh Incursion sites.
Now the Sansha menace will rule New Eden
Aye, but when you can make 150m (this is a figure I've seen quoted for a Machariel if you're smart about which missions you take, no idea how accurate it is) running L4s for a fraction of the effort, the old carebear adage of "why bother" comes to mind
So they're willing to expend a bit of effort for that extra reward, but they're not willing to do a more interesting thing if there's something which pays more.
I wonder if there's some lesson here we could take with us to make nullsec more populous...
I don't get this. From a Nullsec resident's point of view, or even someone who PvPs every now and again in lowsec/FW/wormholes etc etc, I can understand why you wouldn't want to spend the same amount of time PvEing for less reward - for many, PvE is only there to fund your PvP activities, which are actually fun. What's two hours of boredom if it means ten hours of fun?
With these hisec residents though, isn't the only thing they do PvE? If PvE is your endgame, why not go for more risk/less reward if it means actually having fun, unless you're some autismal spazz who just wants to watch their wallet climb into the billions so they can spend it on... a ship that can do it even faster. Where's the fun? What's the goal? Is there one? Are they not just running on a hamster wheel, expending effort ~not having fun~ to escape from their boring-ass job by playing EVE Online and getting what's effectively a boring-ass job.
Or are they some kind of deviant freaks that actually ENJOY running the same mission over and over again?
I would take the "150M/hr" figure with a big ole pinch of salt if I were you. People who fling numbers like that around tend to leave out minor details like that they only make that much by selling items which are extremely low volume. Or that "tags I loot for myself are free".
Your basic "log in, shoot stuff, sell CN Invulns" hi-sec missioner makes ~50M/hr.
*Raises hand*
I must confess I have the superhero-like ability to not want to off myself running missions/plexes/incursions repeatedly for hours on end. This is likely only possible due to having A) a great playlist available 24/7 on iTunes, B) Hulu+, C) Cooking shows and LAGTV on YouTube.
Well I made about 10-15m/hour when I was doing it so I have no idea
You can see why I went to nullsec.
But you make money so that you can PvP, right..?
Right?
Yes and no
Carrier Skillbooks, Orca for my alt character, and 2 plexes per month don't pay for themselves
I'm so ashamed.
Oh that's fine, you're saving up for a Nyx so you can be king shit of nullsec, good stuff.Yes and no
Carrier Skillbooks, Orca for my alt character, and 2 plexes per month don't pay for themselves
I'm so ashamed.
Honestly if I had the cash I don't think I'd buy a Nyx given the opportunity. A) I like docking, B) I love subcaps :\, my alt can already fly a JF anyways.
I bet you're friends with securitas
I plead the 5th.
Sidenote: I just killed a ninja looter by blowing up the Pleasure Hub in Damsel in Distress.
Morning made.
How the hell? I don't think I ever made over 40ish mil an hour. What wizardry allows someone to make nearly four times that doing the same missions?
The core of it is a very high ISK/LP claim (something like 4k IIRC). But by definition this is something that can only work for very small amounts of LP because if the specific conversion were widely known, it'd be ~1k/LP like almost everything else.
Also stuff like literally memorising the optimal blitz for every single mission, rejecting all missions that can't be blitzed, fitting the ship for agility/speed rather than tank so as to get into warp as quickly as possible, managing your buy orders for tags whilst in warp, etc etc. Basically concentrating extremely hard, to the point where it's better to just work some overtime and get a 1B/hr rate from buying PLEX.
EDIT: If Sreegs keeps on killing bots like he says he will, LP values will probably rise fairly quickly. I noticed that implants and empire faction BS are up a fair bit already. These are a good indicator because they don't need any tags, you can convert a lot of LP easily, and are easy to to sell. So they're popular with botters.
Good LP conversions and blitzing missions to maximise LP income, then converting that LP at a minimum of 2k ISK per. Contrary to Malcanis' claim above, a lot of the best items in terms of ISK/LP move quickly and in quite substantial volume.
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I can only dream of a state where pirate NPC's can start taking over systems if left alone.
Shite that seems like a lot of work. I think I'd go insane if I had to do all that.
Based on what you guys said, I think I'll log in my mission alt and see if he can blitz some missions for some quick ISK. I've used eve survival a long time back; is that where I'll find out which missions are best for blitzing?
When you make it so the highest echelon of incursion fleet runners make less than solo l4 runners by a considerable margin there's absolutely no reason to go through the hassle of forming up 10 dudes to run vanguards. I honestly don't know why grath keeps citing this 200m/hour number. Sure, sometimes you'll be pulling 2 minute wallet ticks in absolutely blinged out fleets with scouts in every vanguard system and boosts and lucky spawns, but to assume EVERYONE running incursions is making this isk/hour is silly. More so if you believe you can sustain those numbers over long periods of time.
Grath needed to PUG some public incursion fleets that run ~10 minute sites without scouts or boosts and see what the average incursion runner makes instead of assuming everyone has access to the same private fleet channels he does. Or better yet, join a Eve University fleet that has drakes/maels make up the bulk of them and see how they did before the nerf. Can't even imagine what those guys would be making now.
I would be happier about the nerf if it meant people would stop crying about people in highsec making money, but all that's going to happen is people are slowly going to find out how much l4 runners make now without the Concord LP conversions flooding markets and people will begin to cry about it.
Meanwhile, I'll be selling Cynabal hulls at 250m a pop.
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