would definately put some contention for border regions into nullsec politics and would make JF logistics much more dangerous.Originally Posted by Malcanis
as someone with no interest in logistics, I support this.
would definately put some contention for border regions into nullsec politics and would make JF logistics much more dangerous.
as someone with no interest in logistics, I support this.
Most examples put forward now are entering absurdity, and with them, the whole discussion.
I expected nothing less.
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Hey at least we got to page 22 before someone pointed that out and not page 1.
Spaceship friends don't let other spaceship friends madpost.
I'm only being semi-sarcastic, I do think logistics to 0.0 is way to easy.
So you don't want the game to change unless you benefit from it? Where have I heard this before...
That would do a number on NPC 0.0 and WH logistics. Still might not be a bad idea though. Logistics will always suck, but it seems a little to easy these days (ties into rapid deployment of large forces to random spots all over eve).
If you kill enough of them they stop fighting - Gen. Curtis Lemay
Fear the KKM
Maybe you missed the part about me making bank on flying a blockade runner? If that in itself isn't reason enough, then you'd get the following advantages
(1) A straight up no shit reason to have sov instead of just lurk in NPC 0.0
(2) Malc makes some money for a change
(3) Golden age of piracy blah blah
(4) Rewarding ~goodpilots~ over HURRDURRIWARPTOZEROINMYHAULERHURRDURR
(5) The succulently excellent ganking opportunities of camping cynogens
(6) An end to Jumpfreighters or GTFO
No one should complain about doing logistics since EVERYONE who does logistics is a money-skimming jew bag.
ps: wtb jf
"It pains me to say it but you are a good poster." - Vonq
Narr not every one.
If you don't skim money you're doing it wrong. Which sadly means I'm doing it wrong
Spaceship friends don't let other spaceship friends madpost.
Isn't he parked there?
If I'm risking a 6 billion jf to bring your shit out you're damn right I'm "skimming"
“Isn't it funny how the mood can be ruined so quickly by just one busted condom”
not to mention the topes for my anshar cost a fuck ton now too (fuck you goons)
“Isn't it funny how the mood can be ruined so quickly by just one busted condom”
Logistics really is soul-crushing and destroying. It is a second and third job rolled into one, and your only payment is "the knowledge that you've helped your alliance survive."
?"eve's a bad mmo, really bad, it's only saving grace is the people playing it, which i guess doesn't say great things about the people playing other MMOs"
I say fuck the people who do logistics, the thieving cunts, EVE must burn!
* and 10% mark up.
"It pains me to say it but you are a good poster." - Vonq
Are carriers really "DPS machines"? With all lvl5 and 10 fighters, you're looking at what, 1200-1300 DPS? Two BS will very easily out DPS a single carrier as something like a fifth the cost.
I agree with you that NO drones is stupid but bitching about carriers being over powered sounds odd to me.
I'd like to see ECM bursts treated like a siege mod and require fuel and a longer timer. The bay size nerf is good enough since it does force a pilot to choose between bombers and fighters but I think some sort of defensive drone bay is also reasonable for all caps and supercaps. Seriously, what military that ever existed wouldn't provide at least some self defensive capability on its most expensive asset? I hate on supers but no drones at all is dumb.
10%? Goon jews won't even fart your way for 10%.
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Won't you just be able to keep 20 fighters in your corp hanger and 20 fighter bombers in your drone bay and just swap off config for refit? Wait, nevermind, I shouldn't give away sekrets.
"It pains me to say it but you are a good poster." - Vonq
people that do logistics are suckers. hurr de durr lemme pay for two extra accounts so I can make this video game a job
each fighter-bomber is 5k m3, our wiki doesn't have the size of a SC CHA on it but iirc it's not big enough
You mean those idle shitheads who fucking go on and on in alliance chat because they have to pay 6.5% over Jita price for their Meta 4 tracking disruptor or whatever?
Its 50k m3, so you could theoretically fit 10. In reality its alsot less since you have to have fuel and spare mods etc.
Using that logic, a BS or a dreadnought should be bristling with huge guns, medium guns, small guns and machineguns. Compare our ships with:
Long story short: balance reasons. And you know this. It makes no sense logically, but that's how it is.
Doesn't ribeye do EO logistics? Or did you force gordo to do this as well?
The Rapier I was with had the long-point. I was holding the Drake down about 30km off the gate, while the Rapier tackled a Loki I was DPSing when the supercarrier landed to save his precious subcap alt(s).
Mfume Apocal - Origin. - Black Legion.
no ribeye doesn't do logistics. I have no idea who gordo is
I'll fall for the RL analogy troll with the Yamato. That ship isnt a corollary to a Megathron, its a Titan. It was the largest battleship built by any navy in history. And the flagship for its fleet in its short time in service.
Armament
Yamato's main battery consisted of nine 46 cm (18.1 in) 45 Calibre Type 94 naval guns—the largest calibre of naval artillery ever fitted to a warship, although the shells were lighter than the British 18 inch naval guns of World War I. Each gun was 21.13 metres (69.3 ft) long, weighed 147.3 tonnes (162.4 short tons), and was capable of firing high explosive or armour piercing shells 42 kilometres (26 mi). Her secondary battery comprised twelve 155-millimetre (6.1 in) guns mounted in four triple turrets (one forward, one aft, two midships), and twelve 127-millimetre (5.0 in) guns in six twin mounts (three on each side amidships). In addition, Yamato carried twenty four 25-millimetre (0.98 in) anti-aircraft guns, primarily mounted amidships. When refitted in 1944 and 1945 for naval engagements in the South Pacific,[5] the secondary battery configuration was changed to six 155 mm guns and twenty four 127 mm guns, and the number of 25 mm anti-aircraft guns was increased to 162.
It looks to me like it had the ability to fend off smaller vessels and aircraft? (Until the damn Allied blob caught up to her).
Oh and a battleship is technically a dreadnought.
Clearly you've never seen the SPACE BATTLESHIP YAMATO
Starring Meisa Kuroki
Personally I would like to see a some further changes to the dreads and the siege mod.
Instead of the active rep bonus it has now, it would be better if it increased its resistance when in siege so they could tank a DD or two.
Since hitting siege is like going into reinforced mode. (kinda like em POS's)
The active tank bonus was prolly fine back in the day when there was less caps around, and caps where rare in general.
Nowadays its all about the blobs and the EHP in large battles, and the siege module should reflect that and the "modern" eve warfare.
And a single suicide bomber could kill it.
It wouldn't make for good gameplay. vOv
I was under the impression it was the other way around, dreadnoughts were oversized battleships.
Yes you're right i should have reversed my statement and said that dreadnoughts were technically battleships. My point was that RL military naval classes have almost no bearing on Eve class names. I stand corrected
While it would take a very large plane packed with TNT to sink it in one shot, it could incap it. It happened to the Bismark, some lucky brittish chucklefuck got a lucky torp shot off and hit the steering mechanism and the thing did circles until the British put her out of her misery. But that argument belongs with the OMG I'm gonna lose my titan to a solo onyx cuz I cant use my doomsday crowd. I'm only arguing that caps (supercarrier specifically) should have at least a minimal ability to defend itself against smaller ships. Hell i'd be happy with a Dominix sizes regular drone hold or something.
That guy who awoxed dumb supers
And liked anime while
Being fat
So you think it's fair for this ship to be able to engage anything because real life, but you don't think it's fair that a SMALL ONE MAN STARFIGHTER can take it down even though real life?
That's a dumbfuck point to be making, and you should stop making it. Why is it a dumbfuck point? Because you cannot have it both ways. Either tiny shit is a deadly threat but you can swat them, a la real life, or you don't get to engage tiny shit and it barely registers on your dps-o-meter.
Um, no. I believe what i said was that I wanted supercarriers to have a regular drone bay the size of something along the dominix, and if a couple of dictors were able to take out the few flights of warriors I threw out and kept me tackled, then a SMALL ONE MAN STARFIGHTER can have its way with me.
Are you arguing in favour of a subcap wrecking shot offlining random modules or being able to target supercap modules and damaging them (ala overheat) if you get a drone bay on your titan?
Hey that's actually not a bad idea. Target supercap mods like station services. Give your subcaps something to shoot at.
To all the real-life versus space life comparitors : Take a look at yourselves in the mirror. "My pretend spaceship plane in an imaginary universe isn't behaving as it should in real life." We're all better than that argument.
People should remember that CCP aren't trying to balance supercaps specifically, they're trying to balance their game, and supercaps are the first and most obvious (and probably easiest, if you look at some of the other problems) part of rebalancing the game as a whole. About the only person who could claim 0.0 warfare has been 'fun' in the last 12-18 months would be Russian God, because he seems to like nothing better than smugging about blobbing the fuck out of everyone in supers and predicting the return of the soviet union in space.
CCP has been forced to realise through CSM and subscription numbers that 0.0 warfare is boring and shit ATM, and that if the trend continues, not only will most of 0.0 be empty, static and stupid, but everything the game is sold on : Empires, individual freedoms, fleet battles, and the drama of players in 0.0 will start to fade away to dust (not DUST). They're trying to balance 0.0 by looking at the primary tool of what has been making the game unfun (supers), and changing it. Hopefully they'll also look at the super's evil twin, sov mechanics, as well.
They're not looking at your nyx and saying, "Oh, this is unbalanced", they're havign their heads shoved into 0.0 and being told, "Fix this shit or your game will wither away to a footnote on wikipedia"
Yeah, well...my dad could beat up your dad. So there.
[05:28:32] Damienwhat Solette > friend said, if only they didn't have those 2 falcons there, i said they have 3, and he said that just says they don't want to do anything fair, just want to be dicks about it like not normal dicks but big black huge cocks
Ps my supercap is still awesome
Clearly you've never seen the SPACE BATTLESHIP YAMATO
Starring Meisa Kuroki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_B...282010_film%29
Crap. I had no idea they did a live action. I used to watch Starblazers after school. Have you seen it / was it any good?
Let me tell you about killing tackle in MY 425mm NAGALFAR.
I hope the Goons carry this crusade on to the next terrible travesty in EVE, drone bays on Battleships.
Its unfair that those behemoths can fend off frigates the way they can, it needs and artificial design limitation to make them defenseless against frigates, or they need to travel around with their own frigates to fend off the attacks.
Too long have battleships been solopwnmobiles raging around with impunity, neuting and killing frigates with their dirty light drones, or even worse, their blatant use of broken mechanics when they field EC-300's and jam out tackle, only to warp off with impunity.
Its time to take a stand, say no to drone bays on Battleships.
I am afraid you are sadly mistaken.
Jesus Grath, you need some Attachment 1817
New EvE Goal: Kill a super carrier with 1 hic and stealth bombers.
"It pains me to say it but you are a good poster." - Vonq
Is this the part where we spend the next year yelling about how there is in fact an effective sub battleship counter fleet, only to have the CSM taken over and the nurf pushed though anyhow?
I hope so, because in the modern Eve, every ship should be supported by its smaller brothers and if its not, somehow that is a sign that things are out of balance.
Heaven forbid a ship should have the legs to stand on its own.....like say.....every non capital ship can. Shit even an Orca has drones, but not dreads, motherships, or titans.
Patches come and go; ownfacing abides.
"It pains me to say it but you are a good poster." - Vonq
Why beat around the bush. Just say fuck it and remove drone bays all together.
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What I think is the best is while the babby's are celebrating victory were already well on the way to planning some next level faggotry. The tears will be outrageous and we await the next set of cries CSM campaigns and blogs to stop the win win win.
ccp is trying to tell me that a titan that is 10KM long doesn't have 500m3 for some heavy drones. wouldn't that be like a closet on a titan. i mean hell i bet the throne room is bigger then that!
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