DD Nerf on Sisi arrived

[Malcanis]

but DRF has been reset by us v0v.

Actual reset or "We're only going to gank a few scrub ratters and bots and we pwomise not do anything that really hurts you" reset?

[Kazanir]

Before we could rarley get more then 3 or 4 when pinging and it was unknown what the respons would be, also NC could cap blob us to death. (which they did when yaay killed 9ish pl titans) bear in mind PL still cant go up solo against any other bloc supercap wise. Not to be insulting or anything but the last weeks of GSF poking we often wondered why you simply didnt drop your 40 online supers on us when you had 400 support and we had 60 supers v0v

Not to be insulting, but it is because Canadagoon isn't that stupid and we know that you have 50-100% more supers on login screen than you currently have online.

Actual reset or "We're only going to gank a few scrub ratters and bots and we pwomise not do anything that really hurts you" reset?

Wars of bitter, take-no-prisoners aggression are so 2009.

[Propagandas]

Not to be insulting, but it is because Canadagoon isn't that stupid and we know that you have 50-100% more supers on login screen than you currently have online.

yea, on every op we tell half our fleet to not come and sit on loginscreen incase goon supers arrive.


lmao


pl, the login screened bogey man

Actual reset or "We're only going to gank a few scrub ratters and bots and we pwomise not do anything that really hurts you" reset?

To shamis of 0rzoz neutral means neutral.
It all depends on who you ask i guess v0v
We reset goons 2 years ago and I still play HON with gooncoon vee and taaii every day, I dont think i have fc'd against goons in years except when they came to save NC. You can say we have a ~fake reset~ with GSF aswell i guess, since you seem to be into this kind of crying mode.

After PL/INIT owning of AAA in catch i still like init more then most of our neutrals, althought the awesomeness of sister bliss is being brought down by you being a homo, so i guess you are back on neutral v0v

[MtA]

Well the way i see it;

Atm we beat 95% of the 200 man fleets that comes to find us in our pirme time with subcaps. The last 5% is vees coward fleets with 150 maels, 40 scimies and 10 dicks + 57 warpins. The counter to that is simply 150 battleships of your own, something PL cannot get number wise.
With titan legion we can go up against 300 man fleets with proper intel unless they are in neut tempests.

Now, we have actually only abused turret titans for 6ish months, so its not like a titan nerf will radically fuck us.
Before we could rarley get more then 3 or 4 when pinging and it was unknown what the respons would be, also NC could cap blob us to death. (which they did when yaay killed 9ish pl titans) bear in mind PL still cant go up solo against any other bloc supercap wise. Not to be insulting or anything but the last weeks of GSF poking we often wondered why you simply didnt drop your 40 online supers on us when you had 400 support and we had 60 supers v0v

If titans gets 100% useless to subcaps PL will just go back to the days of olde, but unable to fight the biggest blobs. This wont really be a problem but it will change our game play for sure, it will also result in us being unable to defent tech for example that gets timed for strange timezones. At DT a normal weekday we get maybe 25 in fleet.


If you want to talk about bluelists, we actually only have 3 blue alliances and those alliances have 4k members in total.
We actually took an ev0ke techmoon 48 hours ago, so sure people will cry like they always do, but DRF has been reset by us v0v.

Ok,

You guys don't take sov (in any ~serious~ way anyway) which is just fine, and you play the mercenary gimmick to some extent and varying degrees of success.

You guys try to enforce somewhat better standards on your members and so keep the unwashed masses out of your alliance, which is fine.

These two aspects open some venues of playstyle while denying others, it's just how it is. You can be the smaller ~elite~ force which is hard to beat on equal terms, but you won't be the guys taking down GSF/DRF/etc. alone.

Putting effort into training and affording a Titan has merit, but so does putting together a large alliance with sovereignty and related logistics, diplomacy and herding 45.000 people (I love that number being thrown around).

Just the same, GSF has the benefits (?) of having sovereignty and a large pool of members and allies to draw from, but probably can't scrounge a fleet of 300 ~elite~ players.

You can't have it all, bro. In a game, such as EvE, with no end-objective, if any play style managed to have it all, the game is broken and you managed to ostracize those 45.000 people from the game (which is bad business for everyone).

[MtA]

I still play HON

Is that what you call what I saw the other day?

[Propagandas]

You can't have it all, bro. In a game, such as EvE, with no end-objective, if any play style managed to have it all, the game is broken and you managed to ostracize those 45.000 people from the game (which is bad business for everyone).

Ah, but you are now basing your argument on the fact that my 1.5k members can beat your 45k members.
Which is not a fact at all, take VFK which is one of many examples. Blob has always been the win buttom in eve, and it will always be.

Sure, titans are pretty pimp. But i dont think they are overpowered. Titans helps you deal with the blob, but it is by far a counter to it.
But then again, I am not going to convince you, and you are not going to convince me, so you might aswell go read grimbolds pl app thread since it shows what a huge nigger he is.

PS HE IS YOUR BLUE )))

[tgr]

I'm sure we care deeply about how much of a nigger a single blue may or may not be.

[Propagandas]

I'm sure we care deeply about how much of a nigger a single blue may or may not be.

Well you did go from "MM bestest bros we will defend them to death line in sand" to "MM is a cancerbulb on mankind" based on how much of a nigger your blue TraderJohn was.

So I guess you care very deeply?

[tgr]

So, what you're saying is, Grim is telling his alliance how much of a traiterous bunch goons are, and the entire alliance is swallowing that story whole and resetting goons before moving south?

[Propagandas]

So, what you're saying is, Grim is telling his alliance how much of a traiterous bunch goons are, and the entire alliance is swallowing that story whole and resetting goons before moving south?

Not to be a hater here, but what is wrong with that statement?
GSF did do nothing while their NC blues lost geminate, then vale, then all of venal tech without sending a single fleet. By the time western NC woke up and did the whole goondragon/sandline/wn botting empire everything was allready lost.


But im not trying to insult you friend, I too am a traitorish man in this spaceship game, but atleast i dont deny it v0v

[pheleus]

You guys try to enforce somewhat better standards on your members and so keep the unwashed masses out of your alliance, which is fine.

If only you knew the truth

[MtA]

I am not going to convince you, and you are not going to convince me, so you might aswell go read grimbolds pl app thread since it shows what a huge nigger he is.

PS HE IS YOUR BLUE )))

I'm not dogmatic in the least, I assure you, and unlike some good friends of mine, I support the fact that Titans should be able to pop subcaps like popcorn (as long as they can be killed if they play too arrogant against a huge blob, and right now they don't). As for the DD on subcaps it's just retarded in a Titan blob as it is now, as I'm sure you'll agree.

Thanks for the pointer to the thread, it gets really hysterical at some points (poor Jeff).

And yes, he is a blue , one of those I don't like, but hey, it comes with the 45.000 blue list ))

[tgr]

I was just seeing if you were really equalling what I assume is a nobody in a blue alliance, to one of the leaders in a formerly blue alliance.

Also, I'm not your friend, buddy.

[Malcanis]

To shamis of 0rzoz neutral means neutral.
It all depends on who you ask i guess v0v
We reset goons 2 years ago and I still play HON with gooncoon vee and taaii every day, I dont think i have fc'd against goons in years except when they came to save NC. You can say we have a ~fake reset~ with GSF aswell i guess, since you seem to be into this kind of crying mode.

After PL/INIT owning of AAA in catch i still like init more then most of our neutrals, althought the awesomeness of sister bliss is being brought down by you being a homo, so i guess you are back on neutral v0v

Well I seem to have inadvertently caused you a certain amount of aggressive unhappiness with my simple question. For that I apologise. I look forward to the DRF supercap killmails that will no doubt soon be adorning your glorious killboard.

[Kireiina]

But im not trying to insult you friend, I too am a traitorish man in this spaceship game, but atleast i dont deny it v0v

There was actually a goon fleet to Gem/Vale. Which pretty much convinced everyone involved that flying all that distance to try and work with MAGE was a massive waste of time. And since Razor/MM, and even a lot of RAGE members, had pretty much written them off it wasn't terribly useful. Also at that time I remember Grim explaining on this forum that having a "reward" for NC allies recapturing venal tech moons was pointless as the NC could take them back whenever they wanted.

Really Goons were probably too loyal because they stuck with the NC even when it was pretty obvious what the end-result was. Probably would have done better selling them out. And we ended up red with MM/Majesta/Rage anyway (which is actually much more fun that flying with them).

[Propagandas]

Well I seem to have inadvertently caused you a certain amount of aggressive unhappiness with my simple question. For that I apologise. I look forward to the DRF supercap killmails that will no doubt soon be adorning your glorious killboard.

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/kill...ype=mothership

5 DRF super kills in the last 60 days. Fake resets indeed.
Thats about how many DRF supers your alliance have killed in the last 2 years, C/D?

[Malcanis]

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/kill...ype=mothership

5 DRF super kills in the last 60 days. Fake resets indeed.
Thats about how many DRF supers your alliance have killed in the last 2 years, C/D?

As everyone knows, we instantly dock up or log off when we see so much as a DRF battlecruiser reported in the next region.

[jimmychrist]

Although, on the cap change front i did play with a moros for awhile on sisi and was dead in under 3 minutes... The siege module bonuses are the only real change now, which are as follows;

50% reduction to tracking speed on turrets and explosion velocity on missiles as opposed to the old 99.5%

Same damage boost (625% or so) and the moros now has hybrid damage and RoF bonuses.

On paper it looks like it may mean doom for mid range BS blobbies if they shorten the siege timer to 5min instead of 10, although the actual stats look more directed to getting better hits in on other capitals. I havent actually looked into any changes to carriers yet to see if theyre anticipating more standard cap slugfesting (which would be nice).

Is the Naglfar still split weapon system? Fuck that shit.

Also re: supercap nerf. The way I see it is it's kind of like a progressive tax. Shit's gotta get done and we're gonna have to lay into the wealthy. But we don't have to call them names while we're doing it. I can imagine it feels more than a little sour to have trained a char up, grinded isk and waited for builds, only to be left with what might very well be a flying shittub, knowing CCP's stellar track record of balance tuning.

Unless you bought the char and/or RMT'd the ship. Then fuck you, Richie Rich! Fuck you in your dickhole! You get what's coming to you!

(It's hard for me to stay reasonable for any amount of time, really.)

[haukim]

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/kill...ype=mothership

5 DRF super kills in the last 60 days. Fake resets indeed.
Thats about how many DRF supers your alliance have killed in the last 2 years, C/D?

Naw dude, D. We got 3 just 2 weeks ago . I think maybe 3 Titans + 2 SCs since August? 4 more for the year not including stuff 1 guy whored on. Malcanis super kills though are probably much fewer so your point still stands.

[Malcanis]

Naw dude, D. We got 3 just 2 weeks ago . I think maybe 3 Titans + 2 SCs since August? 4 more for the year not including stuff 1 guy whored on. Malcanis super kills though are probably much fewer so your point still stands.

I have the shittiest luck ever when it comes to getting on super kills I can think of at least 3 occasions when I logged off to go to bed less than 30 minutes before the fleet I was in got a supercap kill.

[ripper van]

As everyone knows, we instantly dock up or log off when we see so much as a DRF battlecruiser reported in the next region.

you dont need to dock up, just switch sides when he is reported and then back when the threat is gone, you're init after all.

[haukim]

I have the shittiest luck ever when it comes to getting on super kills I can think of at least 3 occasions when I logged off to go to bed less than 30 minutes before the fleet I was in got a supercap kill.

It's usually something like:

Us: "Yo Malcy we got supers tackled"
Malcanis: "CAN'T YOU SEE IM BUSY POASTING?"

[haukim]

you dont need to dock up, just switch sides when he is reported and then back when the threat is gone, you're init after all.

You're not happy that we pvped you?

Edit: Whose side is Malcanis on and what side will he switch to? Stay tuned.

[ripper van]

You're not happy that we pvped you?

im not aware of what you are talking about tbh but I must admit I dont track everything happening in alliance warfare right now. However, I doubt I would miss something relevant.

[Malcanis]

you dont need to dock up, just switch sides when he is reported and then back when the threat is gone, you're init after all.

We've come a long way from the days when we only switched sides for boring reasons, like someone resetting us, shooting our ally, shooting fleets we sent to help our ally, and also ganking our jump freighters. Sometimes we switch sides 6 times before breakfast. It can get a bit confusing when the colours on your overview actually start to strobe, but we just like to ~ride the chaos~.

[Max]

I have a problem with your whole argument. You didn't read mine that is my problem. I never said make sov as a whole more expensive I said make it exponentially more expensive meaning that alliances don't hold more sov then what they can actually utilize because the shit gets more expensive the more you have.

You don't have to hold sov to control space.

[ripper van]

We've come a long way from the days when we only switched sides for boring reasons, like someone resetting us, shooting our ally, shooting fleets we sent to help our ally, and also ganking our jump freighters. Sometimes we switch sides 6 times before breakfast. It can get a bit confusing when the colours on your overview actually start to strobe, but we just like to ~ride the chaos~.

isnt that a bit confusing for your members of not having to know exactly who's a faggot and who is a BFF right now?

[haukim]

isnt that a bit confusing for your members of not having to know exactly who's a faggot and who is a BFF right now?

Na we can usually identify you on sight.

It helps if you wear something flashy though.

[Malcanis]

isnt that a bit confusing for your members of not having to know exactly who's a faggot and who is a BFF right now?

I wont lie to you - it gets so confusing that we just shoot everybody and hope it works out OK.

[Malcanis]

(If it doesn't we just switch sides quickly and hope nobody notices)

[Malcanis]

(Of course that just perpetuates the problem )

[haukim]

Why the fuck did you just triplepost?

[teds]

never not triplepost?

[penifSMASH]

Goons come in with their shitty titan trolls and get ownzoned by Grath. Goons come in with their shitty bluelist trolls and get ownzoned by Propagandas. Even noob non-sov/tech incompetents like INIT come at us and they get put in their place. Pandemic Legion: Owning you in-game. Owning you in forums. Elite everything.

[haukim]

Did you see what i did there BTW?

I just switched from Side Malcanis to Side Ripper Van

This is the story of INIT and AAA narrated by Ripper Van (Alan Tudyk):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y65f_0Zu-5Y

[tgr]

MtA: looks like we need to rummage through grandpa's drugs again, I think there's been some mixup there.

[Malcanis]

Why the fuck did you just triplepost?

It's a side switching thing, you wouldn't understand

[Omeega]

Rumors have it that tgr will offer a free titan to anyone singing the above post (above tgr) over the russian anthem.
Film it, put it on youtube and let's see if we can get more hits than mintchiplolerskates videos!

[MtA]

Goons come in with their shitty titan trolls and get ownzoned by Grath. Goons come in with their shitty bluelist trolls and get ownzoned by Propagandas.

Goons swap a medicine case and grandpa penif shits his pants.

[Grim]

And yes, he is a blue , one of those I don't like, but hey, it comes with the 45.000 blue list ))

Hey, I resent that Not only am I not blue I proudly occupy a spot on the TEST blacklist.

[tgr]

Rumors have it that tgr will offer a free titan to anyone singing the above post (above tgr) over the russian anthem.
Film it, put it on youtube and let's see if we can get more hits than mintchiplolerskates videos!

Hey hey hey hey HEY!

While I could pimpfit a nyx, I can't afford a titan. And besides, fuck you got mine is in effect, I'm using that isk to fuck with pubbies on the jita market.

[Omeega]

No need to be harsh

Here's something to make you smile.

[Teh Ashen]

So I hear they are changing the doomsday to only target capital ships. This seems an interesting thing to talk about. *nudge nudge wink wink

[sala]

WTS dreads

located in Otsasai.

[jimmychrist]

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=2674

[jimmychrist]

In conclusion, here is a full list of the changes we're making.

Supercarriers

• Drone bay can only hold fighters and fighter bombers.
• Reduce Shield, Armor and Hull hitpoints on all Supercarriers by 20%.
• Reduce drone capacity.
  
  • Aeon, Revenant and Wyvern: 125000 (25 total Fighters + Fighter Bombers)
  • Hel and Nyx: 150000 (30 total Fighters + Fighter Bombers)
  
  
• Remote ECM Burst: Does not affect ships that are immune to electronic warfare (Supercarriers, Titans, Triaged Carriers and Sieged Dreads)

Fighters

• Increase signature resolution to 400

Dreadnoughts

• Remove drone bay from all dreadnoughts.
• Siege Module I: Boost damage bonus from 625% to 700% to compensate for loss of drones.
• Siege Module I: Duration time reduced to 5 minutes. Fuel cost -50%.
• Moros: Remove drone bonus.
• Moros: New bonus: 5% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret rate of fire per level.

Titans

• Remove drone bay from all titans.
• Reduce Shield, Armor and Hull hitpoints by 20%.
• Superweapon: Cannot shoot sub-capital ships.

Logoff timer

• After a player logs out, there is a check for player aggression every 15 minutes. If you have been aggressed, the timer extends for 15 minutes; if you have not been aggressed, you disappear as before. Note: this is only for player aggression and will not change what happens when you log off during fights against NPCs.

[tgr]

That logoff timer mechanic looks eerily familiar.

[MtA]

Let the rage begin.

[Shadoo]

The one change that was needed -- is there, and that's the logoff timer. I will claim this one as mine!

The rest actually seems like a boost to DRF coalition's ability to make sure every other block in EVE will do whatever they can to avoid a supercapital engagement with them. I'm not sure how the CFC CSM metapolitics managed to do this, or maybe CCP just fucked up, but no sane FC in EVE will now jump 20% nerfed EHP superfleet to 50+ titans and risk getting half of the fleet DDed before even loading the grid.

Not having to worry about our Vultures/Tengus DDed by Titans is... quite something... to look forward to as well :3. For once, I am looking forwards to winter.

[sala]

So pretty much nothing changes except of the log off timer? :S