Originally Posted by Rail Feint
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What if they attack Ominst to rob RA/OHGOD etc of their victory? It'd secure their defensive line and logistics in case they ever wanted to invade teneferis and LV isn't even looking that far south in terms of defense I'll bet. I know this almost 100% probably isn't the case but it popped to mind and considering this thread seems to be full of wild speculation I thought I'd add mine.
Weird tangents? I raised a point that is very relevant to your counter. I will make this as easy as possible to understand.
1. BoB wants to win = YES
2. BoB wants to win at any cost short of cheating = YES
(Don't even start an argument here. I don't like the whole TS/Forum spy but it is deemed legal by CCP. UhOH CCP are BoB alts!!!)
3. BoB wanting to win at any cost short of cheating =/= BoB doesn't want good fights
Point 3 is very important. Wanting to win at any cost is not intrinsic to not wanting good fights.
Should I say that :
BoB don't want good fights because they want to win eve?
RA don't want good fights because they use logon traps?
GOONS don't want good fights because they blob?
D2 don't want to fight at all because they NAP a lot?
No I wouldn't because it's BS.
Edit
Almost forgot.
<3 BoB
So I take it firing into a POS field was just some random event that poor Band of Developers never meant to do?
I mean why they just had passive targeters on all their valuable fleet midslots because they wanted to umm ehh yeah I thought so!
Then they turned around and bragged about tactical briliance and how the enemy were all noobs wearing tinfoil hats.
THEN the fraps capture came out and they had to really backpedal and go into damage control mode.
Do they cheat or exploit bugs? You Bet your sweet a$$ they do.
We'll see. If this is BoB's plan--and thats a big if, admittedly--then they may just be counting on a delay action rather than a brick wall.
Several motherships possibly supported by a titan and a crapload of carriers and BS makes for an impressive speed bump, after all. D2 could simply "go around" but that might open their space for raids and other disruption--disregard the McFix force at your own peril, so to speak.
I dislike BoB's methods and attitude, but I do still hold appreciation for their PvP capabilities--I don't want to include the word "respect" in the same sentence. Writing them off before the wrecking ball has smashed their fleet is a dangerous and potentially costly error. Once they've lost a good portion of their carrier/dreads, a mothership or two, and two or three titans you can start dividing up Delve with a degree of assuredness.
I don't know of the incident and I don't stalk the Eve forums so if you would show me a link (both the fraps and discussion) it'll be much appreciated.
<3 BoB
RA/Goons dont give a flying fuck about good fights. They get off on winning, and winning only.
the event that everyone keeps mentioning with the passive targeters...
when was this and where can i find out info about it?
I don't particularly like RA or GOONS but that's a very big generalization. I'm sure that some RA/GOONS/BoB only care about winning but to say that none of them want good fights is just silly.
Apparently we have different definitions of "good fights." What BoB did to ASCN would not be a "good fight" under what I understand "good fight" to mean.
What BoB did to ASCN was low.
I'm not a fan of the whole spying and propaganda; but you better believe that there were some good fights in the war.
<3 BoB
Using cheap exploits that you only know about because of the devs in your alliance feeding your leaders intel about combat changes and 'blobbing' (which has been applied to damn near every fight where one side outnumbers the other) are no where near equitable.
I still have the full video on my HD as do 100's of other people who downloaded it before it dissapeared
It's also on U-Tube and Google Videos somewhere too! (crappy quality).
What exploits? What intels?
There is no hard evidence of the devs helping BoB cheat at all. Some of the "evidence" on this site has little or no context and are dubious at best.
The most damning evidence that I've found is that BoB accepted BPO's from a dev. This is not BoB cheating and we don't even know if the dev cheated to get the BPOs.
If I missed something, please tell me; I haven't read all the topics.
I see a lot of circumstantial evidence that wouldn't fly in any court (sorry for bringing up RL).
Someone said that this website is about shedding light on dev's corruption and not about BoB - I agree with this, but from the many posts I've read, this seems far from the fact.
I cannot read this link but I think it might be the one. (Site is blocked from work)
myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=461208&page=20 - 62k -
I just don't understand how you can possibly think that McFix can hold off the entire Northern NAPfest. That's thousands and thousands of players, a lot of whom want nothing more than to go and kick BoBs ass.
I happen to be privy to intel that points to the fact that when BoB engage in operations away from home, they are severly weekend.
I know that during the ASCN war, ASCN capital fleets engaged BoB and destroyed several POS towers and captured stations.
Unfortunately, they were recalled when the war began to sway in BoB's favor.
I would suggest a bit of tactical and strategic oversight on the North's part.
Rope a Dope Em. Let BoB come hunting up north, then hit their homes and wip the floor with McFix.
KR
RA just fucked LV in the ass, 60+ POS (including some DeathStars) bashed into reinforced in a single day. Plus TCF, the Goons, and the rest of the new coalition hit others. Also, one of the systems includes capital ship array so LV may just have lost a titan in the oven.
And now there are reports of BoD heading into LV space. Let the galactic hellstorm commence!
Damn it to hell,
something must be done to see BoB destroyed. I for one will not allow them to anhilate LV.
KR
Can You Say Dev's helping Dev's
Hey since you guys have BoB forum access you wana tell us where they are headed?
They'll make big war, so that people stop talking about BoB-dev connections, and start talking about how awesome/crappy BoB is.
Distraction.
i remember when bob decced GS
when we were coming off XZH, war weary as fuck and not wanting to keep fighting
good fights my ass
Maybe. but it's not gonna work... I'll just have someone to shoot at while waiting for new kugutsumen threads
15man bob gang and another 30man bob gang spotted in the south earlyer today.
wow
i wish i could see their forum right now
apparently it's really quiet, anyway LV has a strict censorship policy
anything negative gets deleted
Sound's just like CCP..
Sorry couldn't resist.
FIX just recently got smacked around by IRON. We didn't bring capitals, as that was not our goal, but they hid in their stations and quit. FIX is a smaller version of ASCN, and they have no capability to mount an effective offensive against anyone up North.While they rolled over and played dead for BoB, I doubt they'd do the same to anyone else. Expect them to make invaders pay for their systems in blood
I will say this for FIX, though: They don't smack in local, and are great sports.
They did fight tenaciously at first, but then gave up.
sounds like a fun alliance to be in
maybe not fun, but certainly cheery and full of morale.sounds like a fun alliance to be in
Cool,
sarcasim.....
but really, BoB is dispicable beyond all manner of the word.
This sounds nothing at all like the jingu incidentsounds like a fun alliance to be in
And? I always see bob gangs in Stain/Catch roaming around.
WTB : Better intel
they didn't want those anyway
Heh there not coming to LV space to destoy LV there helping them out agenst the new Coalition, As they both share the same enemies. Wat would be cool if D2 and allies come from the north now and attack fountain. It will be a universal war me thinks.
TBH tho the Coalition is so huge even with BOD's help I dont think they will survive. Prob the biggest battle in EVE yet
late reply..It didn't take BoB months to beat ASCN due to BoB's inability to win fights. You know the killboard stats as much as me.
It took BoB months because of the shear size of ASCN's space. The number of POSs and such would take anyone(D2, RAGOON) a sizable amount of time to go through.
I'm not saying that they will go through D2 or RAGOON like ASCN. Even BoB realize that they're in a tough fight and that is what they want
<3 BoB
As someone who was in ASCN, I can categorically confirm that BoB were going to win against ASCN. ASCN were, for all intents and purposes, Xetic mk2. For the most part carebears that grew claws and teeth, but still fluffly and cuddly.
However - it was apparent from the start that BoB are no where near as 'leet' as they like to make out. If it wasn't for the underhand tactics and continous slating on the e-o forums etc. the war would have lasted a fucking long time.
If you want to know what it is that lost the war so quickly for ASCN, it was this:
Fleet A camp gate X. Fleet B jump into gate X. Node crashes. Everyone relogs. WITHOUT FAIL: 50+ BoB are back in the system, and in gang in postion on the gate. ASCN are still in log queue - logging in one by one, appearing at the gate one by one to face the onslaught that is 50 battleships firing all guns at you.
EVERY fleet fight went that way, guaran-fucking-teed.
I was not there so I don't know if something shady was going on--and I'm not ruling that out by any means--but could that possibly be due in part to BoB having many UK players, where the servers are hosted, and you guys having a less favorable distribution insofar as geographic location?
Probably the same as with us and LV during node crashes. The defending gang is at a definate disadvantage after a node crash since the warpoffs leave you scattered all around the gate. The gang jumping in actually reloads from where they jumped (from what I';ve heard), allowing them to quickly get into system and pick off reloggers one by one. Happened several times to us before we just stopped camping the gates.
I'm in the UK (infact, I'm <10 miles from the datacentre TQ is in)
but when they were beating us in, it's like they never logged out they were there that quick.
I was there when that happened, and everytime BoB would do a mass reconnect. They never waited for the node to die, they would jump in and immediately reconnect. Many people had the whole BoB fleet in their adress book and everytime BEFORE the node died there would be a mass logoff (followed by a mass login offcourse).
I'm sure they did this to clear their cache and be able to fight, but a side effect was that it only increased the lag for the opposing team that would not do the same.
The ASCN war is long over, but the rot that started with login traps, TS ddos (i would call disrupting fleet ops by singing thru the FC's orders a ddos), vilifieing alliance leaders by hacking forums (I say hackingbecause CCP ASSumes Kutsu hacked 5 minuters after his first post, yet did nothing for over 4 months against ASCN being hacked).
I guess thats my main gripe with how CCP handles this, DBP or whoever in BoB managed to delete every post by Kugutsumen within 5 minutes of posting on eve-o without needing to actually prove anything towards CCP. And ASCN had to read the same drivel for over 4 months? Thats 4 months of "fair fighting" basically wasted on an uneven playing field.
What i am worried about now is, because of the way they fought the war, the next fanfest. People start fights over trivial things and its not like Counterstrike where you just pick another server. TS/forum infiltration was going outside of the game, but so is fanfest.
Funny thing is that again you guys keep pointing out things that you THINK might have happened. Why not point out one thing that shows some real evidence that BoB somehow cheated to do that? I have crashed so many times while jumping into a fleet or being jumped in on. Sometimes I have loaded quickly, sometimes I have woke up in a station. Again, show some real evidence or dont make yourself look silly with posts like this.
The reason ASCN lost was because you sucked. You were a carebear alliance who had no interest in putting together fleets that followed commands and did what they were told. Stop whining because someone better than you beat you up. Here is hoping that whomever BoB attacks puts up a better fight.
You fucking nob, where did i accuse of cheating?
I saw with my own fucking eyes that BoB pilots were logging in (much) faster than ASCN pilots. I didn't say anywhere, at all, that it is due to cheating.
Now fuck off back into Molle's arse you prick.
I am glad that someone who "was there" posted on this because I cant wait to finally see some proof. I assume since you were there you have recordings of the TS breach where a BoB member is singing over the FC? If not it is understandable, but I KNOW you must have some sort of record of BoB hacking ASCN forums. I know it is hard for you guys because of your hatred of BoB to be objective, but lets be honest: A BoB character in an ASCN corp having access to forums/TS is completely different than actual hacking of other's forums. Being handed access is simply not the same and whether you agree or not, you surely see the difference. If Kug got all of this information from having an account in BoB or from someone that is feeding him information that was gotten through a registered user account on BoB's forums then he has been wrongly punished. However, I would love to hear some clarification on this from Kug.
Are you 12?
Are you a sheep?
As stated, the premise of the strategy is to provide a deterrant/distraction force, and it assumes that neither BoB opponent would go 'all in'--if the North swarm to gut BoB, well, GF/GG, welcome back to Kisogo Molle.
However, if BoB is in fact moving to the south to help LV against the RAG coalition...actually, I can't see what the tatical benefit is with that. A Titan bridge chain would get you back to Delve, but unless I have the range wrong it couldn't take BoB back to the northern front in time in case D2 does swarm. BoB would lose fountain by the time they'd get back. And while this does improve their odds against the RAG opponents somewhat, it also adds a formidable opponent to the strategic mix that otherwise wouldn't be present (in force) for several months. Its like adding the 4th or 5th bullet to the revolver.
Also, -A- still needs to be addressed. Although with the BoB fleet at their eastern border, they may be more inclined to ignore the lightly defended BoB territories and join the RAGOON coalition (if they haven't already) and this would ultimately hasten LV's demise.
urfunny, what would proof do? Kugutsumen has an entire DB of proof, what did it get him? All his accounts got banned is what he got.
Besides lets say you get 3 guys banned, with the money an alliance has they would just buy 3 off the boards to keep playing. Buying 3 new accounts is a good tradeoff for 3 new regions to rent out wouldnt you think?
The only thing proof does is teach players of low standards how to cover their threads next time.
Here is a good quote:
Atrocity is recognized as such by victim and predator alike, by all who learn about it at whatever remove. Atrocity has no excuses, no mitigating argument. Atrocity never balances or rectifies the past. Atrocity merely arms the future for more atrocity. It is self-perpetuating upon itself — a barbarous form of incest. Whoever commits atrocity also commits those future atrocities thus bred.
The Apocrypha of Muad'Dib
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