The Mittani: Loser Volterra (Various Chatlog Porn itt)

[k]

Chowdown gave a speech to rally the troops! Never have I seen so many 'twisted evil' smileys used in one thread. Many of my brain cells died to bring you this thread.

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Members of Lotka Voltera, firstly a heart felt congratulations for the staggering display we as an alliance have put up in repelling the attacks since Goon broke the POS NAP. The defense of detroid thus far has exhibited everything that makes us one of the strongest alliances in the game.

The tenacity, courage and bloody single mindedness with which we have fortified and held our borders against overwhelming odds is a credit to you all. Such a credit that the very people who wish to take it off us have to make hate filled speeches in an attempted motivate their members base into further attacks, while compiling their own financial misery. They lie to each other and they lie to themselves, convinced that their own inadequacies can not be to blame for there former or current failings. They tell tales that we are the arrogant aggressing cowards, while they band together in more and more numbers collecting a variety of rejects from around the eve universe attacking only when we are weakest with four times our numbers. These organizations smell blood, and they hate us for our success, thinking they may be able to get a slice of our pie. However we should not be drawn into hating them, pity is far more apt punctuated by the cold efficiency with which we have been dealing with them.

Very soon the time will be upon us when they all attempt to attack us at once, intel suggests it could be just a matter of days, multiple strikes on various areas of our home should be expected. When this alliance was formed we were a mere spec on the eve universes, or that is what Eve-o told us. Looking back over the last year I think very few people would attempt to make such a claim now. We have built our position by acting not as a collection of corps living under a name in an area of space, but as an alliance of corporations acting as one for a common purpose the furtherment of us all. As such we ask you all when the time comes to be prepared for the assault and unite under our name and achievements and exhibit what made us this great alliance. We know our pilots are better, we know we have more resources, we know we have better tools, we know they will come at us with everything that they have got. When they do please ensure you are ready to answer to call to assist in our defense. This fight will be a fight of wills, and we must display more.

Please ensure you have combat ships available and ready to go at a moments notice. Please do your utmost to assist in any manner you can, if you have any questions with regards to how you can assist contact your nearest friendly director. If not just state below and I am Sure some poor over worked sod will pick it up. It will be one hell of a fight and we have no doubt each and every one of you will do yourselves proud.

T H E K E Y !

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Hear hear!



Ps. I still need that explanation for T H E K E Y I was promised after alliance tourney

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I had to read that second paragraph atleast 4 times before i had a clue what half of it meant.

Got it now, lets pwn.

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I was expecting the attack in the last 24 hours so maybe it will be Sunday night US TZ. I think that's the SuperBowl, right? It would be just like the enemy to attack in our worst timezone when that timezone has less numbers due to a popular sporting event.

The last 3 months in Shinra have been the best in my Eve life. This alliance kicks ass. Bring it on RaGoon, and die.

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Guys intel implies a massive strike VERY soon, so stockpile ships, dont throw away losses and get ready

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give me some..i wanna have some..i will take some..


YYYAARRRRRRRR through the emptiness of vast space....

they are all dead..

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(our boy Skrypt)

I will be there. If you need help, just ask.

I will stand. I will fight. This is not over until Goons have been removed once again from their space or we have lost every station.

Poor saps haven't a clue what they're coming up against...

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That won't be enough to make me stop...and I doupt you'd stop then aswell

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I´m now playing 4 years EvE.
Started as a n00b.
Was FC in SE, Pirate in PAYUS, member of MC, BoB, Xelas, GCDC, 3FA.
I fought against BoB, MC, PAYUS, RA, Goons, G and what all their names are.

But tbh..... NOW, I´m faceing one of my biggest challenges i had so far.
I want to quote one of my former supervisor with our lines^^:

Chowdown > You smash them
LV > Ooohhhh....nice....like to smash.

*Loads VOID in his Blasters* LET THEM COME, YARRRRRRRRR

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Blaster Online... Check
MWD Oiled ... Check
247 fresh pairs of underwear ... Check

Lets Rock and Roll!!!

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give me a safebase to base my ship out of and your have my firepower when every i am online (kzf would be nice hint hint)

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T H E 'mutha fuckin' K E Y

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A battle of wills begins, c'mon lets show them who has the greater WILL.

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Aye time to dig in and fight. Turn that 'maybe i should login' to 'i will login' and be part of something special. The flames of pressure can turn us into brittle wood or forged steel. Already we have shown resolve where other nearby alliances have crumbled.

Time for me to stop looking at fat women porn on the 2nd monitor. On that note Vista can support two eve clients on seperate monitors even if you have a DX8 gfx card. So play the multiple accounts at once

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LV is, was and ever will be No. 1 Alliance in EVE!
Lets Rock n Roll them in their Clonestations.

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all i kno is that my 1400's want some goon ass to take some nice big hefty health chunks out of... INSTAPOPPING T1 CRUISERS HERE I COME!

i'll follow anyone who'll show me the red





Aaaaaand, here's the 'BE joins GS' thread, where the very sensible members of LV declare that BE are 'noobs'.




Quote:
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingamebo...hreadID=470712

talk about out of left field

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didnt get it... like, we have more enemies? or simply the overall IQ of the goons + friends had a major drop in value?

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posted wrong link doh..... but Burn Eden have joined GS wonder how they are gonna handle the no posting on eve-o policy

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Interesting. Can't say I saw that one comming. BE with over half of the Eve universe set as blue is a twist.

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My question would be, Why?

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I dont dont get it, when you are bullying one person toghetter with 6 off your friends (ragoontcfca and the rest have 7 times as much members as we do) dousn't it look kinda weak when you beg an eight friend into the party cause you can't handle it with 7?

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the promise of omist/tener space ?

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Like Aimez said that they have like 6 alliances vs us and few friendly corps, its like WTF??

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I think the ruskies like to have hordes of compliant cannon fodder to do their bidding. The more the merrier is a good militery mantra. And lots of more might mean being able to chew on BOB... if they can kill us off.

Well Malta and its 250k inhabitants fended off the germans in WW2. So can we. Start growing olives

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more wrecks for us to loot right?

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I think Iasius is on the right track. I would think it has something to do with the 'long run'. Going for BOB after they have beaten us...wait..."beaten 'us'"....... What is wrong with that plan?

BE have allways liked Goons, at least to some extent. It might however just be a temporary merc thing to help them. Unless I am misstaken BE have joined corps before to help train and lead them. Maybe they are looking to join a bigger coalition to build some super-cap's?

Most likely little to no use speculating though. We have a few additional targets. I haven't fought with BE for 2 years and last time it was great fun.

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more noobs to kill

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its nice when the targets come to us


buttes

[Kojio Kiiske]

Where's the part where Chowdown logs in his Titan to give gang bonuses and support to his glorious troops during the euro time?

Oh wait, I forgot that Titans aren't supposed to do that. They're only supposed to let you stay up until 4am in the morning, while the rest of your alliance is logged, so you can pop leet DD blasts that rack up a dozen killmails for your rank on the killboard, even though half of the deaths are friendly-fire and it's all chewing up the alliance fuel reserves that everyone else mined for.

Man, am I glad we didn't waste 160 billion of other people's ISK on such an overrated e-peen. We bought a fleet of motherships instead.

Bring on the war drums! YEEEEHAAAAAA!

[Bushido Zin]

redir= www.goonfleet.com/forumdisplay.php?f=54

[King Matt]

The flames of pressure can turn us into brittle wood or forged steel

Man....that's so....deep

Sooner Goons and friends can rid the game of these fucks the better. When LV falls, remember to make demands for the titan in return for non consequential offers of being able to live in peace in a shit system.

The thought of a random goon floating through space in a Titan shouting "HOWS THE BIG GUN WORK DUDES?" is a refreshing thought.

[berge]

Just another empty demagogic post for the noobs who fight for chow isk machine ...

[Raste]

Sooner Goons and friends can rid the game of these fucks the better.

Didn't realize you hated us so much. Oh well.

[King Matt]

I don't know you to be fair or your alliance mates.

It's not the alliance I hate, it's your leader. Shoving ones head up the ingame top dogs arse may improve longevity but it actually takes a lot of fun out of the game.

Edit: I believe at least some of your current enemies have joined in for precisely the same reason

[Raste]

I don't really understand your point, I guess you're saying you called everyone in our alliance fucks because our alliance leaders are asskissers or something?

Anyway, not sure what alliance you are in but I'm guessing they're one of the idealistic crusaders you allude to in your edit, because I mean its not like its just a bunch of bandwagoners that couldn't do anything on their own or anything amirite? Good luck with our extermination in the path of your righteousness.

o7

[King Matt]

The edit is because it makes sense to remove LV on the way to BoB, LV would only be called in should BoB be in a position they do not like (however unlikely that is, you decide)

I'm a big believer in "You are what your alliance is", I don't like the LV leader so my indiscrimite hate spreads over 2500 or whatever it is in your alliance.

Also in fairness, I'm not involved in this fight, nor likely to be. So I'm just a bystander shouting insults from the sideline

[Armois Delgato]

I really don't understand the irrational hatred for LV from the GS side of the fence... considering their leader is a fat demagogue that far outstrips anything Chow could ever do as far as asshattery.

Also, mega kudos to chow for the titan assist this weekend.

T H E K E Y

[Nekumi]

I really don't understand the irrational hatred for LV from the GS side of the fence... considering their leader is a fat demagogue that far outstrips anything Chow could ever do as far as asshattery.

Also, mega kudos to chow for the titan assist this weekend.

T H E K E Y

Jesus fuck Armois, you where in goonfleet long enough, if you don't get it now then you never will.

[Hopkins]

I really don't understand the irrational hatred for LV from the GS side of the fence... considering their leader is a fat demagogue that far outstrips anything Chow could ever do as far as asshattery.

Uh, Chow's little speeches are cute, but if you think GS hates LV because of speeches, you are both stupid and woefully ignorant of Eve history.

[Armois Delgato]

Uh, Chow's little speeches are cute, but if you think GS hates LV because of speeches, you are both stupid and woefully ignorant of Eve history.

GS hates LV because Dear Leader and his Spymaster told them to hate LV. If they hate LV due to a little side-ganking in Syndicate because SNRA and a few others were bored with no one to fight? ROFL.

Lets check the grievance board shall we?

D2 - Long-time chronic foe of the GS of olde. Cockblocked the Goonish invasion of XZH, beat the goons as ERA/OSS out of Tribute and the North in entirety, constantly came to JQV to fight, backed what was once termed by goons to be the "Axis of Faggotry" - a coalition designed to kick them back to empire.

BoB - Constant derision, camped them into station for a month on a hilarious whim and lost GS several of their competent corporations.

ASCN - Blacklisted GS'rs.

LV - A little ganking of neutrals due to boredom.


Out of all of the alliances listed that GS might have a grievance against, ASCN (not defunct) and LV's listed sins are the least. If anything, if GS were a consistant and honorable entity, they would have plotted bloodwar against D2.

Bravo fat man and spymaster, you have succeeded in forging a spear of hatred pointing in the wrong direction. Bravo for making your underlings completely forget their entire history in EVE. Bravo for making enemies out of those who hated you least.

[Nekumi]

GS hates LV because Dear Leader and his Spymaster told them to hate LV. If they hate LV due to a little side-ganking in Syndicate because SNRA and a few others were bored with no one to fight? ROFL.

Lets check the grievance board shall we?

D2 - Long-time chronic foe of the GS of olde. Cockblocked the Goonish invasion of XZH, beat the goons as ERA/OSS out of Tribute and the North in entirety, constantly came to JQV to fight, backed what was once termed by goons to be the "Axis of Faggotry" - a coalition designed to kick them back to empire.

BoB - Constant derision, camped them into station for a month on a hilarious whim and lost GS several of their competent corporations.

ASCN - Blacklisted GS'rs.

LV - A little ganking of neutrals due to boredom.


Out of all of the alliances listed that GS might have a grievance against, ASCN (not defunct) and LV's listed sins are the least. If anything, if GS were a consistant and honorable entity, they would have plotted bloodwar against D2.

Bravo fat man and spymaster, you have succeeded in forging a spear of hatred pointing in the wrong direction. Bravo for making your underlings completely forget their entire history in EVE. Bravo for making enemies out of those who hated you least.

That's revionist crap Armois.

Here are the reasons and honestly this is without bias. My timelines may be a little off but the guts of it is here.

Smoske, BoB, LV renege on support in XZH.
-This was the start of the vitriol
BoB in Syndicate.
ERA lose cache, ERA goons crap all over LV.
Raste defends LV, Goonpile on Raste.
-This is about the time goonfleet started hating LV
LV/Goons reset standings.
LV ganksquads in Syndicate.
- Goonhate
War in the south
- Goonrage, If they're not with us, they're against us

[Raste]

Smoske, BoB, LV renege on support in XZH.
-This was the start of the vitriol

I never realized it was spun as LV reneging on support. We always wondered what the supposed "sellout" by LV was when Mittani announced postive standings with RA in the Septemberish announcement.

[Nekumi]

I never realized it was spun as LV reneging on support. We always wondered what the supposed "sellout" by LV was when Mittani announced postive standings with RA in the Septemberish announcement.

According to the words, it was presented that LV would provide ships to assist but when BoB started the offer was withdrawn. Same was said for ASCN. I never questioned the veracity as I didn't care much at the time. I'm just explaining the why of it.

[Hopkins]

To be honest, it's all internet spaceships and realpolitik. Yeah, I'd guess most of GS hates LV because they were told to hate LV.

I kind of feel sorry for LV, because it's obvious that they have vastly superior forces arrayed against them. Then again, they have done exactly the same in the past, so there's no moral high ground to be had on either side.

LV is going to die because it's a game about internet spaceship combat, and someone pretty much has to be dying at all times, or it gets stale. LV's diplomacy and/or foreign policies were obviously inferior this time, which is why they hemorrhaged all their allies while GS just keeps growing.

[Vile rat]

LV sent gank squads to Syndicate after engineering an "incident".

Then they camped s-u and the surrounding systems for two weeks while they goonhunted.

We got mad and decided to destroy their empire about it.

[JoeBlow]

:words:

Don't forget the whole -V- "visiting" us before and during XZH
In regards to the LV hate, it expanded a lot when LV criticized us for "logoffski", "lapsploits" and everything else even when they themselves do it. Oh and the whole "We aren't racist! Russians logoffski and their dog and cats play EVE, thats why they win!" Oh and posting fake killmails/not posting a whole crapload of lossmails/not giving lossmails because "they didn't pee vee pee", and then they brag about their killboards on . Oh and they have this idiotic notion of honor which means LV: honorable*, enemies: dishonorable*

*LV definitions of honor may differ from everyone elses and may include stabbing your friends in the back


\/\/\/\/ hence the -V- and not LV

[Nekumi]

^^^^^^^ doh

I r smort

[Raste]

Wow, sounds like LV are pretty dead. I bet they're really sorry they made you angry.

[King Matt]

GM Ytterbium still loves you

[Treylis]

Wow, sounds like LV are pretty dead. I bet they're really sorry they made you angry.

Nope, they're still furiously masturbating over K/D ratios while I watch POSes going into reinforced right in front of my eyes. I'm continually amazed by how many people are playing Counterstrike and not Eve.

[Raste]

In regards to the LV hate, it expanded a lot when LV criticized us for "logoffski", "lapsploits" and everything else even when they themselves do it.

I agree that bitching about honor is pretty retarded. I've always been of the opinion that you don't bitch about something the game allows, unless you're bitching to the guys making the rules. That said, Goonfleet and RA certainly log off more than anyone I've fought against. A GF pilot that doesn't log is the exception rather than the rule.
The difference I would say is that LV is pretty neutral with crap like that, whereas with Goonfleet, from the perspective of someone fighting them, it seems that logging off is the official policy.

Oh and the whole "We aren't racist! Russians logoffski and their dog and cats play EVE, thats why they win!"

Again, making excuses for losing is pointless and not something I'm down with, the proper response is always "gf". On the other hand, I've read plenty of SA threads where goonfleets like "Oh hay guys all of RA actually live in the west and make 6 figures and never ebay lol" are naive at best. Hang around those guys enough and look for it and see if you can't find the guys playing eve for a living. Ask them about the bannings from someone who will shoot straight with you.

Oh and posting fake killmails/not posting a whole crapload of lossmails/not giving lossmails because "they didn't pee vee pee", and then they brag about their killboards on .

Same in every alliance. I've always held that if you want accurate stats pull kills from your kb and losses from your enemy. From my experience looking at my own stats on the goonfleet kb, 75% of my kills go unreported over there.

As far as sending km's, you think goons give back km's if the npc's get the kill? Hell, they're not even logged in the game after they hit structure usually.

Oh and they have this idiotic notion of honor which means LV: honorable*, enemies: dishonorable

Again, I don't really see LV doing that. As an alliance, we're pretty much neutral on all the "moral" issues. But in general, as far as hypocrisy goes, glass houses man...

[nature]

LV will continue to jerk off to their killboard after they are restricted to chain petitioning for veldspar to be re-implemented in Jita, and don't you forget it.

[Raste]

Nope, they're still furiously masturbating over K/D ratios while I watch POSes going into reinforced right in front of my eyes. I'm continually amazed by how many people are playing Counterstrike and not Eve.

Maybe we'll lose 16 or so stations and get forced to NPC space, then suck so historically badly that we get forced out of NPC space and make an alt corp in empire, then we'll find some bigger alliance to dickride and get some stations as long as we stay out of the plexes. That would be cool, then we could chestthump like we did something.

[Nekumi]

Maybe we'll lose 16 or so stations and get forced to NPC space, then suck so historically badly that we get forced out of NPC space and make an alt corp in empire, then we'll find some bigger alliance to dickride and get some stations as long as we stay out of the plexes. That would be cool, then we could chestthump like we did something.

Dude, you don't honestly believe BoB removed Goonfleet from Syndicate do you?

[Raste]

Dude, you don't honestly believe BoB removed Goonfleet from Syndicate do you?

I won't get into the semantics of how you're phrasing that lest I become your new J0sephine, but they were sure as hell frantically looking for NAPs when they hauled ass out of there. They certainly haven't overlooked anyone in the galaxy trying to form an anti-BOB coalition.

[Desi]

I thought we where at war with LV because we don't like Raste.

[Raste]

LV will continue to jerk off to their killboard

I love this line of reasoning. What would you prefer to compare, stations owned? Sov held? Because to hear goonfleet talk, they would surely be kicking the fuck out of our asses in those categories amirite?

[Raste]

I thought we where at war with LV because we don't like Raste.

This.

[Nekumi]

I won't get into the semantics of how you're phrasing that lest I become your new J0sephine, but they were sure as hell frantically looking for NAPs when they hauled ass out of there. They certainly haven't overlooked anyone in the galaxy trying to form an anti-BOB coalition.

j0sephine?

All I know is that goonfleet where in Syndicate long after BoB left (relatively). Them moving out of Syndicate had about as much to do with BoB as it did with D2 or BRS, ie nothing.

Regarding their hate for BoB, I think that has a lot more to do with what happened in the run up to BoB's 2 or 3 week camp in NPC space than anything they did during those 2 weeks.

I'm not trying to pick fights with you, I'm completely neutral in this whole thing but I will refute things I know not to be true.

[edit] Just thinking, when did LV send gangs down to Sydnicate. Was it before or after the BoB campaign?

[goonygoon]

[edit] Just thinking, when did LV send gangs down to Sydnicate. Was it before or after the BoB campaign?

after, supposedly john tucker shot at some of them in the south and that's why standings were reset

you could say that it was engineered but i doubt it because john tucker really was that big of a faggot

[Raste]

j0sephine?

All I know is that goonfleet where in Syndicate long after BoB left (relatively). Them moving out of Syndicate had about as much to do with BoB as it did with D2 or BRS, ie nothing.

Regarding their hate for BoB, I think that has a lot more to do with what happened in the run up to BoB's 2 or 3 week camp in NPC space than anything they did during those 2 weeks.

I'm not trying to pick fights with you, I'm completely neutral in this whole thing but I will refute things I know not to be true.

[edit] Just thinking, when did LV send gangs down to Sydnicate. Was it before or after the BoB campaign?

Whatever, I'm assuming this is what you are picking out:

"get forced out of NPC space and make an alt corp in empire"

If you think the implied reference didn't occur then I don't know what I can tell you to change your mind. Not going to swing at the straw man.

[Raste]

[edit] Just thinking, when did LV send gangs down to Sydnicate. Was it before or after the BoB campaign?

It was early September/Late August I think, right before Goonfleet moved south.

[Raste]

after, supposedly john tucker shot at some of them in the south and that's why standings were reset

you could say that it was engineered but i doubt it because john tucker really was that big of a faggot

Yeah, if that was engineered there was some terrific acting going on.

[Treylis]

Maybe we'll lose 16 or so stations and get forced to NPC space, then suck so historically badly that we get forced out of NPC space and make an alt corp in empire, then we'll find some bigger alliance to dickride and get some stations as long as we stay out of the plexes. That would be cool, then we could chestthump like we did something.

Raste, you're a fucking idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about. I myself never left Syndicate the entire time BoB was there, all you had to do to remain relatively unharassed was chill in the backsystems or move up from S-U, then BoB got bored, left, and we were still in Syndicate for a while after that.

Their S-U camp got really sloppy after a while anyways, I popped dozens of BoB medium and small bubbles that were left completely unattended at gates and stations.

[Raste]

Raste, you're a fucking idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about.

Why dont you post some friendly shuttlekills about it.

[Treylis]

I agree that bitching about honor is pretty retarded. I've always been of the opinion that you don't bitch about something the game allows, unless you're bitching to the guys making the rules. That said, Goonfleet and RA certainly log off more than anyone I've fought against. A GF pilot that doesn't log is the exception rather than the rule.
The difference I would say is that LV is pretty neutral with crap like that, whereas with Goonfleet, from the perspective of someone fighting them, it seems that logging off is the official policy.

This is hilarious, I've seen Chowdown log his pod 3 times personally and LV do it all the time. I am in absolutely no way saying that Goonfleet/RA don't, because we/they most definitely do, but I'm not seeing us making noise on Eve-O about it.

Same in every alliance. I've always held that if you want accurate stats pull kills from your kb and losses from your enemy. From my experience looking at my own stats on the goonfleet kb, 75% of my kills go unreported over there.

As far as sending km's, you think goons give back km's if the npc's get the kill? Hell, they're not even logged in the game after they hit structure usually.

I don't give a shit about killboards, losses and deaths. Accomplishment of objectives is what wins wars, not constantly inflating your killboard stats while killing friendlies with a doomsday. Also, once again, I haven't exactly seen Goonfleet trumpeting our killboard stats on Eve-O.

Again, I don't really see LV doing that. As an alliance, we're pretty much neutral on all the "moral" issues. But in general, as far as hypocrisy goes, glass houses man...

Hypocrisy indeed.

[Treylis]

Why dont you post some friendly shuttlekills about it.

Nuked those.

Oh, and speaking of killboards, my page on the GF one should be 100% accurate including all losses once the old mails get imported. No shame in losing ships if you win systems--1V el oh el.

[Raste]

Treylis, Goonfleet isn't allowed to post on eve-o and you saw what happened when they were.

And you're correct, killboards mean nothing and we'll see what happens when the fightings done and the dust clears.

Anyway, I'd like this forum not to be another shitpost haven. My cracking Goonfleet is retarded given that I have a lot of friends there, and its just specific people that I think are asshats, so I apoligize for my generalizations.

The "Loser Volterra", calling us "fucks", etc is a little over the top and will create a COAD atmosphere though, in my opinion. So might want to think a bit about if thats what is wanted.

edit - Treylis, I don't really know where you're going with the shame and lossmail stuff, but brag all you want about 1v-. We tried to help V, it didn't work out, gf. I had plenty of losses there and mission was not accomplished, I don't think theres any shame or whatever. Play on.

[cekc]

I thought we were at war with LV because we don't like Raste.

[Hopkins]

The "Loser Volterra", calling us "fucks", etc is a little over the top and will create a COAD atmosphere though, in my opinion. So might want to think a bit about if thats what is wanted.

"Loser Volterra" is a joke. One of the LV guys came up with it, when he was illustrating how he thought GS people thought, and he put it into a GS mock-quote. GS enjoyed the stupid non-sequitur so much that they adopted it.

[Alex Clomsaver]

I love this line of reasoning. What would you prefer to compare, stations owned? Sov held? Because to hear goonfleet talk, they would surely be kicking the fuck out of our asses in those categories amirite?

How about the areas under the control of your coalition against the areas under the control of their coalition today vs the areas under the control of your coalition against the areas under the control of their coalition in the begining of December? Becuase that is what the war is about, land.

[Baroti]

And women? What about Baby meat? Those are important things to control.

[berge]

the 1mil points question is BOB will let LV go down or they will keep them alive just to have them as shield?

[Bushido Zin]

at this point I have enough hate for shaylud to go around for your entire alliance

[King Matt]

The "Loser Volterra", calling us "fucks", etc is a little over the top and will create a COAD atmosphere though, in my opinion. So might want to think a bit about if thats what is wanted.

Agreed, I for one don't want a replica of COAD.

Sincere apologies for my earlier comments. Good luck to GS and LV with the fights, may they be clean and fun.

Matt

[ButterDog]

They tell tales that we are the arrogant aggressing cowards, while they band together in more and more numbers collecting a variety of rejects from around the eve universe attacking only when we are weakest with four times our numbers.

hmmmmm IAC V ISS/MC/FIX/LV anyone?

[foozzee]

hmmmmm IAC V ISS/MC/FIX/LV anyone?

i think he conveniently assesed that one as being evenly matched