Third time's the charm (The Northern Thread)

[Zagdul]

Bumping this because its true, but i bet the bitter tgrs and mtas will keep crying and hiding so it wont matter much v0v


tl dr, 80 herocats pops a titan in about 80 seconds, now think what 200 could do.
But yeah, it also depends on you guys not being shit ofc and drag bubble some, it takes a couple of tries but its not that hard.

That's a lone titan without a fleet of sporting Scars/Triage carriers repping it.

I've been talking to a few FC's about doing suicide pest fleets with all gank + neuts. It's possible to do and we'd probably welp a lot of ships to DDs. Especially if you guys brought the bigdicks out. We MIGHT get a couple scar kills and win the isk war, however the reality of it is that in the end, when you welp fleets on to a couple scars only to be insta popped by DD's, it's demoralizing to the grunt. It's frustrating for them and lowers morale. This my friend is the number one reason why it's not done. If we show up and alpha a couple carriers, it's fun, we feel like we're having fun. However, losing 50bs on one scar will have a more detrimental effect on people than a positive one.

I think that if we get blueballed enough, suiciding fleets may become more and more of a probability to just try and nab a super or two. Me personally, I'm down for it and have calculated just how many full pest fleets we'd be able to buy and welp before being completely broke as an alliance.

[Metal Dude]

I save my campaigns for persistently annoying people, like HandOfSatan (who hasn't actually sperged in a long long time so I'm going to give up and start +repping him for the good posts he's been making lately)/ripper van/firezemissiles/pilious. You I just negrep whenever you make an annoying post, you actually make the occasional decent one and would be a potential candidate for the "decent DICE poster (shock!)" position if you'd only stop flamebaiting/making weak attempts to troll. It's disappointing really, I don't think you're retarded I just think you're wasting your posting talents

Hint : Annoying posts include the words :
Goonies
Bitter
Mad

EDIT : exception to this is the time I mentioned you were posting on Kugu in TEST jabber and people flooded in to negrep you

Wait, wait, wait. So let me get this strait. Goons get mad when someone calls them goonies? Why? Is that like calling them fags, pussies or retards? Than I’m really stating what I really think about them with just one word. Would you prefer me calling them the later?

As for being neg reped, I really hope that my posts do touch a nerve. I do not post to be liked tbh. I have always been at forum war with someone during my playtime in EVE, being Evil Thug, Celestial Apocalypse or PL. That’s what I find entertaining. My moto has always been that anger is good, anger is right, anger motivates. Think about it. Is the game or the forums for that matter, more enjoyable to play when you are friends with everyone or when your blood boil at someone in anger and you can’t wait to log in and blow them up? It’s a role that has its place in this game. If I can make someone fight just by being in local, if people are willing to lose their whole fleet to kill me, than my job is done. It’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make and I’m good at it.

So you see, if I make some of you mad, it is my intention to do so and make the game more entreating for YOU! Cool? Enjoy!

Now go neg rep me and make me the most hated toon on Kug ffs.

[Manfred Hideous]

That was the PL thread iirc?

Ahh, you are correct of course. I should go back to sleep but my boss wouldn't think much of my reading a book until 2AM excuse.

[Mizuchi]

Also, mr.v was on the Pl mumble a week or so back when we were playing perpetuum and he stated goons have 150 (or was it 250? idk i wasnt really listening) supers, all logged off in the same system or some trash

[Don Peyote]

:words:

We stopped talking about this 6 pages ago but okay

[spoiler=To prevent walls of text spoiling your Kugu experience you do not have to click this unless you want to read 3 paragraphs talking to Metal Dude]The general point of that post you seem to be missing was that you could be a good poster but instead you (by your own admission) flame and harass and threadshit to an extent where everyone is fed up of your posting. It seems you get some kind of pleasure out of that and that's cool whatever floats your boat vOv but it seems a shame to waste a potentially decent poster on such low aims, usually reserved for troglodytes such as (see any of the posters on the official forums (mainly General Discussion and its ilk))

The goonie thing is tangentially (I can never pronounce that word) related in that it's a really shitty pseudo-insult ("Hey let's change your name slightly as some kind of passive-agressive dig at you!") used by the aforementioned pubbies in their spergy rants and therefore is retarded by association ; by all means, call GSF whatever you want I can't and won't stop you but you should probably know it doesn't do your posts a service. However, since you just said in the above post your aim is not to post well that's all moot. So go ahead, keep sperging, keep getting negrep, and if you genuinely don't care about rep/it serves your masochistic pleasures/you derive schadenfreude from making people say "holy fuck stop posting" as a way of getting them annoyed, then don't talk about it (or don't talk about it full stop because talking about rep is retarded) as if you don't care, why bother?

For most of us Kugu is where we come to talk to like-minded people we wouldn't normally associate with in game, be it due to distance, inter-alliance stigma or whatever else (or me not playing EVE anymore), and support Mulla, the Hero of EVE. This is why your trolling doesn't go down so well when a lot of us like to think this site is pretty chill and troll/flame free (notable exceptions usually get redbarred). But whatever, to each his own, we can negrep you and you can flame us and accomplish your (and I think you have a fair point here fyi) of making everyone hate you and everyone's happy.

And FYI, you'll never be the most hated "toon" (pubbie word, sorry) on Kugu, not while we have illustrious badposters coming out the wazoo[/spoiler]

[Vonqueesha Shenaynay]

Wait, wait, wait. So let me get this strait. Goons get mad when someone calls them goonies? Why? Is that like calling them fags, pussies or retards? Than I’m really stating what I really think about them with just one word. Would you prefer me calling them the later?

As for being neg reped, I really hope that my posts do touch a nerve. I do not post to be liked tbh. I have always been at forum war with someone during my playtime in EVE, being Evil Thug, Celestial Apocalypse or PL. That’s what I find entertaining. My moto has always been that anger is good, anger is right, anger motivates. Think about it. Is the game or the forums for that matter, more enjoyable to play when you are friends with everyone or when your blood boil at someone in anger and you can’t wait to log in and blow them up? It’s a role that has its place in this game. If I can make someone fight just by being in local, if people are willing to lose their whole fleet to kill me, than my job is done. It’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make and I’m good at it.

So you see, if I make some of you mad, it is my intention to do so and make the game more entreating for YOU! Cool? Enjoy!

Now go neg rep me and make me the most hated toon on Kug ffs.

Seems to me like you have some self-esteem issues bro.

[Juichi Inu]

That's a lone titan without a fleet of sporting Scars/Triage carriers repping it.

I've been talking to a few FC's about doing suicide pest fleets with all gank + neuts. It's possible to do and we'd probably welp a lot of ships to DDs. Especially if you guys brought the bigdicks out. We MIGHT get a couple scar kills and win the isk war, however the reality of it is that in the end, when you welp fleets on to a couple scars only to be insta popped by DD's, it's demoralizing to the grunt. It's frustrating for them and lowers morale. This my friend is the number one reason why it's not done. If we show up and alpha a couple carriers, it's fun, we feel like we're having fun. However, losing 50bs on one scar will have a more detrimental effect on people than a positive one.

I think that if we get blueballed enough, suiciding fleets may become more and more of a probability to just try and nab a super or two. Me personally, I'm down for it and have calculated just how many full pest fleets we'd be able to buy and welp before being completely broke as an alliance.

Speaking as a grunt, it is more demoralizing to run away all the time rather than trying something new.

I would gladly welp all of my isk in battleships to try new strategies and at least make the attempt. What good is all that isk doing you sitting in your wallet? The point of having it is to use it to try to kick someone in the nuts.

[Don Peyote]

Jesus tapdancing christ that was one hell of a wall of text over such an inconsequential and irrelevant thing, sorry


So, It's been a while since I've seen any timer and/or status updates. Anyone care to give a general summary of what's currently going on (I can glean much from this thread/Dotlan but I don't know what timers are up tonight/the coming week and would like a collated dump of such info (or a link to one))? There's rep in it for you!

[Manny]

That's a lone titan without a fleet of sporting Scars/Triage carriers repping it.

I've been talking to a few FC's about doing suicide pest fleets with all gank + neuts. It's possible to do and we'd probably welp a lot of ships to DDs. Especially if you guys brought the bigdicks out. We MIGHT get a couple scar kills and win the isk war, however the reality of it is that in the end, when you welp fleets on to a couple scars only to be insta popped by DD's, it's demoralizing to the grunt. It's frustrating for them and lowers morale. This my friend is the number one reason why it's not done. If we show up and alpha a couple carriers, it's fun, we feel like we're having fun. However, losing 50bs on one scar will have a more detrimental effect on people than a positive one.

I think that if we get blueballed enough, suiciding fleets may become more and more of a probability to just try and nab a super or two. Me personally, I'm down for it and have calculated just how many full pest fleets we'd be able to buy and welp before being completely broke as an alliance.

It ruins morale why? Killing supercaps and losing unrigged insured BS sounds like a fucking blast. Matter of fact I know it is because in my short tenure in PL I have taken part in such events. Including BBQing a titan. This is what the whole whine comes down too. Were a 7k man alliance with multiple allies that outnumber any foe in the game by a fair margine but the current enemy has supercaps and drops them on our much larger forces its so unfair and to put forth effort or ingenuity or try some shit would be too much to ask for so im just gonna cry cry cry and cry foul that my 7k alliance cant beat a collective force of 4500 runonsentancesomemoreaboutit.



Let me save you the suspense when supercaps get nerfed you will still get beat by the same people. I'll even give you the reason why. The reason why is you belong to a space holding alliance filled with players that don't mind being average. Who for the most part don't bother to go the extra mile let alone taking it amongst themselves to do something proactive. Your alliance has a small handful of people who do everything for you and spoonfeed you the information that a good portion of your mates somehow still manage to fuckup. You will never beat people like Pandemic Legion because there ranks are filled with players that want to win. Who are willing to go the extra mile or be proactive to make a difference. PL is ran by a large group of people who share the burden and responsibility of making sure shit happens. I know this because I was in alliances like this and I tried to beat PL with all the effort I could put forth and I couldn't. My alliance and my allies for in large part were not willing to put the effort forth to win.



Its much like the story of the bird who in the freezing cold falls into the pile of shit.

[Tristan Acoma]

You will never beat people like Pandemic Legion because there ranks are filled with players that want to win. Who are willing to go the extra mile or be proactive to make a difference..

You're talking about the ones who quit and are playing Perpetuum, right?

[Bring Stabity]

Bumping this because its true, but i bet the bitter tgrs and mtas will keep crying and hiding so it wont matter much v0v


tl dr, 80 herocats pops a titan in about 80 seconds, now think what 200 could do.
But yeah, it also depends on you guys not being shit ofc and drag bubble some, it takes a couple of tries but its not that hard.

trusting goons to do anything right, especially dictor, just aint happening

[Some Market Dude]

It ruins morale why? Killing supercaps...

Wow, first good post since joining PL.

+repd

[Centra]

You're talking about the ones who quit and are playing Perpetuum, right?

Winning is winning, regardless of what game we play.

Except Terraria, fuck that game and the fucking worm thing.

[Metal Dude]

The general point of that post you seem to be missing was that you could be a good poster but instead you (by your own admission) flame and harass and threadshit to an extent where everyone is fed up of your posting. It seems you get some kind of pleasure out of that and that's cool whatever floats your boat vOv but it seems a shame to waste a potentially decent poster on such low aims, usually reserved for troglodytes such as (see any of the posters on the official forums (mainly General Discussion and its ilk))

Dude, no matter how good of a post I would make, the same 10 goons will have something bad to say about it, so why bother. They were neg rep me just because ffs. Go look at the comments on my rep. and see for yourself. It has nothing to do with the posting quality, so I might as well just pore more fuel on the fire. Besides, there really isn’t that much of content on here except an occasional battle report, everything else is just a bunch of gibberish and a popularity contest. That’s not entertaining to me tbh. But thanks for the advise. I at least appreciate your point of view on the matter.

[Kitty Vintner]

Let me save you the suspense when supercaps get nerfed you will still get beat by the same people.

Sorry but you've got to stop losing subcap fleets to dbrb before you can make this argument again.

[Endie]

Bumping this because its true, but i bet the bitter tgrs and mtas will keep crying and hiding so it wont matter much v0v

Thir aw ooty step bar oor Jogyn, my Gran would've said. Also tgr has pretty consistently been top-five for the alliance for a year he's not really the hiding-in-a-pos sort. And the bitterness you are right to mention isn't on our side of the fence: not now CCP are openly saying that they're upping the priority of the supercap nerf. I suspect you might even be projecting.

You mean these? http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10130753

And that's a winner in that flailing "made up numbers" attempt at debate.

[Propagandas]

That's a lone titan without a fleet of sporting Scars/Triage carriers repping it.


I've been talking to a few FC's about doing suicide pest fleets with all gank + neuts. It's possible to do and we'd probably welp a lot of ships to DDs. Especially if you guys brought the bigdicks out. We MIGHT get a couple scar kills and win the isk war, however the reality of it is that in the end, when you welp fleets on to a couple scars only to be insta popped by DD's, it's demoralizing to the grunt. It's frustrating for them and lowers morale. This my friend is the number one reason why it's not done. If we show up and alpha a couple carriers, it's fun, we feel like we're having fun. However, losing 50bs on one scar will have a more detrimental effect on people than a positive one.

I think that if we get blueballed enough, suiciding fleets may become more and more of a probability to just try and nab a super or two. Me personally, I'm down for it and have calculated just how many full pest fleets we'd be able to buy and welp before being completely broke as an alliance.

WARNING WARNING SERIOUS POST



Yes, "suicinging 200 bs" into a wall of supers is fucking retarded.
But it takes about 60 secs or less to pop a titan with 200 proper setup bs.

Have you seen what happends when a cap fleet jumps into a system?
Have you seen what happends when a cap fleet warp around?
Have you seen what happends when a cap fleet grind structures and members become bored and goes home solo?
Have you seen what happends to cap fleets when the hostiles have proper drag bubbles?

Yes, as with any blob, you cannot fight it head on.
You have to take advantage on the mistakes (and yes there are mistakes, NC did them all the time and it resultet in us killing their supers, and we do the same mistakes right now since we are lasy faggots) and not suck dick.
Yes it takes effort, which is probably why the only PL fc who got the effort to do it is shadoo pretty much, but that is how you fight blobs and that is how it has always been.
You just need to gank one titan every 10 ops and holy shit the enemies morale crumbles like a Majesta Empire without stations.

Nothing has changed the last couple of months, only diffrence is you and your guys are getting a taste of being on the other side of the blob.

Now adapt or just stop fighting or whatever, but please stop crying about supercaps being uber imba and impossible to fight in every thread.

[Elektrea]

You're talking about the ones who quit and are playing Perpetuum, right?

All 3 people?

[Venetian Tar]

Nothing has changed the last couple of months, only diffrence is you and your guys are getting a taste of being on the other side of the blob.

This isn't a troll attempt, but don't you think it's a little ironic that you've almost become that which, in your own words, you (for the most part) defeated?

[Duder]

WARNING WARNING SERIOUS POST



Yes, "suicinging 200 bs" into a wall of supers is fucking retarded.
But it takes about 60 secs or less to pop a titan with 200 proper setup bs.

Have you seen what happends when a cap fleet jumps into a system?
Have you seen what happends when a cap fleet warp around?
Have you seen what happends when a cap fleet grind structures and members become bored and goes home solo?
Have you seen what happends to cap fleets when the hostiles have proper drag bubbles?

Yes, as with any blob, you cannot fight it head on.
You have to take advantage on the mistakes (and yes there are mistakes, NC did them all the time and it resultet in us killing their supers, and we do the same mistakes right now since we are lasy faggots) and not suck dick.
Yes it takes effort, which is probably why the only PL fc who got the effort to do it is shadoo pretty much, but that is how you fight blobs and that is how it has always been.
You just need to gank one titan every 10 ops and holy shit the enemies morale crumbles like a Majesta Empire without stations.

Nothing has changed the last couple of months, only diffrence is you and your guys are getting a taste of being on the other side of the blob.

Now adapt or just stop fighting or whatever, but please stop crying about supercaps being uber imba and impossible to fight in every thread.

Well said

[Propagandas]

Jesus tapdancing christ that was one hell of a wall of text over such an inconsequential and irrelevant thing, sorry


So, It's been a while since I've seen any timer and/or status updates. Anyone care to give a general summary of what's currently going on (I can glean much from this thread/Dotlan but I don't know what timers are up tonight/the coming week and would like a collated dump of such info (or a link to one))? There's rep in it for you!

Team goon is slowly but surely loosing tech moons.
All MH stations are reinforced and sbud but MH are leaving anyways whatevs.
Nothing in deklein except from a couple of csaas has been hit.
good fites good fites

[Propagandas]

This isn't a troll attempt, but don't you think it's a little ironic that you've almost become that which, in your own words, you (for the most part) defeated?

Not at all.

Take last night as an example.

Goon and bros had 290.
PL/RAIDN/TRI had 110.

We are still being outnumbered, not our fault you guys cant afford proper ships.

[Venetian Tar]

You just said that we're being out-blobbed, how does this work if you're saying we're still out-blobbing you?

[Propagandas]

This isn't a troll attempt,

You just said that we're being out-blobbed, how does this work if you're saying we're still out-blobbing you?

Sometimes in support fights when goons bring 300 and we bring 100 we still outnumber them in battleship numbers :itisamystery:

[Venetian Tar]

Actually, you may of meant that we're being out-blobbed in Motherships and Titans.

[Delegado]

Now adapt or just stop fighting or whatever, but please stop crying about supercaps being uber imba and impossible to fight in every thread.

I'm 50b isk and 5m skillpoints short of adapting to fighting in a non cyno jammed system. But seeing how supercaps are being nerfed soon, I'm really one step ahead of the game, so I'll just wait for it to catch up to me.

[Elo]

WARNING WARNING SERIOUS POST



Yes, "suicinging 200 bs" into a wall of supers is fucking retarded.
But it takes about 60 secs or less to pop a titan with 200 proper setup bs.

Have you seen what happends when a cap fleet jumps into a system?
Have you seen what happends when a cap fleet warp around?
Have you seen what happends when a cap fleet grind structures and members become bored and goes home solo?
Have you seen what happends to cap fleets when the hostiles have proper drag bubbles?

Yes, as with any blob, you cannot fight it head on.
You have to take advantage on the mistakes (and yes there are mistakes, NC did them all the time and it resultet in us killing their supers, and we do the same mistakes right now since we are lasy faggots) and not suck dick.
Yes it takes effort, which is probably why the only PL fc who got the effort to do it is shadoo pretty much, but that is how you fight blobs and that is how it has always been.
You just need to gank one titan every 10 ops and holy shit the enemies morale crumbles like a Majesta Empire without stations.

Nothing has changed the last couple of months, only diffrence is you and your guys are getting a taste of being on the other side of the blob.

Now adapt or just stop fighting or whatever, but please stop crying about supercaps being uber imba and impossible to fight in every thread.

So true

[Centra]

Also you can totally kill NC. supers since we're not in the same fleet as them anymore...which has nothing to do with the sudden and mysterious increase in the HABIT Guardian fleet size.

[Elektrea]

This isn't a troll attempt, but don't you think it's a little ironic that you've almost become that which, in your own words, you (for the most part) defeated?

How so? Are we setting up jump bridges for the long haul? Are we running coalition wide fleets with coalition wide comms?

[tgr]

I'm 50b isk and 5m skillpoints short of adapting to fighting in a non cyno jammed system. But seeing how supercaps are being nerfed soon, I'm really one step ahead of the game, so I'll just wait for it to catch up to me.

I could easily afford to do so myself, actually. Apparently I'd accumulated a fucktonne more cruft than I remembered, which I've evacuated and liquidated the past few weeks. vOv

[Venetian Tar]

Sometimes in support fights when goons bring 300 and we bring 100 we still outnumber them in battleship numbers :itisamystery:

It wasn't a troll either, I'm just trying to clear a few things up.

How so? Are we setting up jump bridges for the long haul? Are we running coalition wide fleets with coalition wide comms?

I'm talking about the blob that Prop mentioned, this has nothing to do with comms or jump bridges.

[KWyz]

Just a personal opinion but, I wouldn't even bet a suicide fleet on PLs stupidity. Especially not when ideas such as these come from Propagandas.

Have to remember these people usually have excellent intel about almost all stuff that moves within their region of operations. Oh, and they love winning.

Not to say that action isn't preferable to whatever they're doing now (i.e. not killing supers), but we know that PL has successfully applied such tactics before, after theorycrafting them. As such, it is my suspicion that they are well prepared to deal with this kind of attack.

I'm not happy with how things are either, but these are some facts i'm sure goon HC has considered.

[Zagdul]

Speaking as a grunt, it is more demoralizing to run away all the time rather than trying something new.

I would gladly welp all of my isk in battleships to try new strategies and at least make the attempt. What good is all that isk doing you sitting in your wallet? The point of having it is to use it to try to kick someone in the nuts.

Seriously, you must take FA for some kinda rich alliance or something.

Just because I've calculated how many we can welp, doesn't mean the number is very high.

[Dots]

trusting goons to do anything right, especially dictor, just aint happening

So all this time that you were complaining about supers being overpowered, you actually meant that there is a counter to them but

1. You cannot be bothered to try it out, let alone make it actually work,
2. Even if you tried it, your retards would mess things up, so why bother

... and you are holding space why? You do not need a supercap nerd. You need a personality buff.

[pinoyzzz]

Neut tempests are dumb, for the way PL use supercaps. Thanks to mrrive Vee knows real the counter to PL/ncdot/ev0ke but isn't using it )))

[Zagdul]

WARNING WARNING SERIOUS POST



Yes, "suicinging 200 bs" into a wall of supers is fucking retarded.
But it takes about 60 secs or less to pop a titan with 200 proper setup bs.

Have you seen what happends when a cap fleet jumps into a system?
Have you seen what happends when a cap fleet warp around?
Have you seen what happends when a cap fleet grind structures and members become bored and goes home solo?
Have you seen what happends to cap fleets when the hostiles have proper drag bubbles?

Yes, as with any blob, you cannot fight it head on.
You have to take advantage on the mistakes (and yes there are mistakes, NC did them all the time and it resultet in us killing their supers, and we do the same mistakes right now since we are lasy faggots) and not suck dick.
Yes it takes effort, which is probably why the only PL fc who got the effort to do it is shadoo pretty much, but that is how you fight blobs and that is how it has always been.
You just need to gank one titan every 10 ops and holy shit the enemies morale crumbles like a Majesta Empire without stations.

Nothing has changed the last couple of months, only diffrence is you and your guys are getting a taste of being on the other side of the blob.

Now adapt or just stop fighting or whatever, but please stop crying about supercaps being uber imba and impossible to fight in every thread.

The suiciding into a wall of supers isn't what I'm going after here dude.

Yeah, I get the "look for mistakes", we were catching them when we were in [s]Vale[/s] Tribute pretty quickly. The problem is, even with 150 BS's, we were unable to take out a nyx we had tackled before an entire titan blob landed on our head.

The ability to catch the mistake then capitalize on it is very difficult, not impossible, just difficult. We've tried and I'm not whining by any means. Just sayin' that if we were to show up in system, all in pests, you'd find our enemies making very few mistakes as they would be going in with a little more caution.

And yeah... we'll get our chance one of these days.

EDIT: also, in terms of the "other side of the blob" Fatal Ascension has spent most of it's life on the receiving end of the blob.

Just recently have we joined the side that gets wins on occasion.

[Arrador]

NC found this out after our Y- welp, when they kept dropping super fleets on us all over our lingering activities in PB, and it nearly cost them an Avatar, right under the nose of the very superfleet they were so proud of. Simple bubbles prevented a warp back (obviously this wont work in low sec - but I don't think it should matter) but in our case we had the titan pilot shitting his pants with roughly 60 BS, you average FIVE FUCKING TIMES THAT MANY YOU FUCKING COWARD FAGGOTS.

Stop fucking up the long math that you're using to figure out how much dps by how many faggots for how many seconds it would take you over how many losses and just fucking try. You'd be shocked at how fast your math looks fucking retarded in the face of 300 AC 2x neuting tempests, I could care less what your math says, to a fleet less than 1/4 of what you can field they die in just about a minute, there are dead Hel's gracing our killboard that will testify to what I'm telling you.

I guess actually giving it a shot though is way more effort than crying about how fucking unfair your position in a video game is, and all the other people that actually try shit in the face of something are just overly lucky or 'taking internet spaceships too seriously', or is that not the line for the goons anymore?

It was a Goddamn Rag piloted by salvoxia from Majesta Empire, Supers had just jumped in and were motorboating into a pos. So he was missing shield from session change. You also dropped a handful of Gank fit dreads on his ass.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=8755225

http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread...xia#post167611

[Some Market Dude]

The "come at our supers, it's easy" argument is absolute horseshit, as I posted already today. However, I completely agree with the underlying point of that argument, which is basically "stfu and play the game". All PL are doing is maximizing the impact of their preferred playstyle within the rules of the game presented to them. Furthermore, and most importantly, when CCP nerfs PL again by changing the rules, they are just going to maximize their effectiveness within the new rule-set and beat everyone again.

Whining about the product of mechanics is ridiculous when the same mechanics apply to everyone and you would be in exactly the same position given different mechanics. You don't like that? Then quit playing, play better than them, join them (most people obviously choosing this option like the cockless spacenerds they are), or just play the gd game and take your lumps in silence.

To be clear, this doesn't apply to the vast majority of Goons who are happily taking their jammer subcap wins; more power to you guys, I'm rooting for you. However, the whining about PL and mechanics is just ridiculous and nothing about the actual game is going to fundamentally change even after CCP alters the mechanics.

[Don Peyote]

^^^ I think the above is a bot, don't waste your rep

EDIT : Actually I got this nbd

[PLfanboi]

Did this just become a "super-carrier needs nerf" thread? Like Manny and I believe Grath before him said.... nerf them. It doesn't matter because whatever takes their place you can be sure that we are going to have at least 200 of them whether its dreads or whatever. Goon alliance lacks the want orneed to better themselves and its biting them in the ass right now cause blobs don't work

[tgr]

Just a personal opinion but, I wouldn't even bet a suicide fleet on PLs stupidity. Especially not when ideas such as these come from Propagandas.

Let's put credit where credit's due, Grath's the PL guy that's posting those ideas, propagandas is just parroting them and adding numbers.

[PLfanboi]

Let's put credit where credit's due, Grath's the PL guy that's posting those ideas, propagandas is just parroting them and adding numbers.

And you are a stupid goon whining about both of them. Where does that put you on the totem pole?

[Don Peyote]

tgr is clearly the sexy woman at the top

[Elendar]

Thir aw ooty step bar oor Jogyn, my Gran would've said. Also tgr has pretty consistently been top-five for the alliance for a year he's not really the hiding-in-a-pos sort. And the bitterness you are right to mention isn't on our side of the fence: not now CCP are openly saying that they're upping the priority of the supercap nerf. I suspect you might even be projecting.



And that's a winner in that flailing "made up numbers" attempt at debate.

At your current rate of production you should have more supercaps than us before the nerf hits. This will make the nerf an absolutely terrible thing for us.

[Comrade Comrade]

And your just a stupid goon whining about both of them. Where does that put you on the totem pole?

If there was a hypothetical totem pole, you wouldn't even be on it.

[MtA]

Couldn't read the forums all day, and I now find out, that all I lost was almost 5 pages of shit.

Except Grath's rage. Grath's raging was worth going through the rest of the drivel.

[Venetian Tar]

And your just a stupid goon whining about both of them. Where does that put you on the totem pole?

Before calling somebody stupid, check your grammar and spelling.

[Elendar]

Couldn't read the forums all day, and I now find out, that all I lost was almost 5 pages of shit.

Except Grath's rage. Grath's raging was worth going through the rest of the drivel.

If you don't want to read through the drivel you probably shouldn't be reading kugu

[PLfanboi]

Man if only you guys cared about eve as much as you do spelling.....

[Hk15]

Am I the only one who finds it fucking hilarious that MANNY is telling goons to try something new and stop doing the same old thing. Ya know, the same old manny who kept throwing drake blobs in the PL meat grinder in delve/querious because "we're winning the isk war".