Pandemic Legion Declares Cyber War on Killboards

[06:04] <ander> btw Karbowiak , since you've been scraping the pl killboard. I forgot to mention that it has fetched you killmail-data in random order from the available killmails for ips in the netblock 94.23.30.0/24 .
[06:04] <12~Karbowiak> wah?
[06:04] <12~Karbowiak> that might explain why the scraper fucked up the other day
[06:04] <12~Karbowiak> and ran for ~16 hours before i killed it
[06:04] <ander> we dont really allow scraping, but when it's done we silently injects other mails data
[06:05] <12~Karbowiak> so basically, all mails we got from PL are fucked up mails
[06:05] <12~Karbowiak> that doesnt exist and are full of shitty data ?
[06:05] <ander> not all
[06:05] <12~Karbowiak> but 99% of them
[06:05] <ander> iut injects random
[06:05] <ander> it*
[06:05] <12~Karbowiak> why the fuck would you do that ?
[06:05] <12~Karbowiak> seriously
[06:06] <ander> cause we have a no scrape policy, we allow people manual viewing
[06:06] <12~Karbowiak> ...
[06:06] <ander> if people do automated scraping it'll inject
[06:06] <12~Karbowiak> i should delete all mails with PL on them
[06:06] <12~Karbowiak> just as a final halelujah
[06:06] <ander> that'd be quote a big portion of your available mails
[06:07] <ander> the thing is, automated scraping fcks things up
[06:07] <12~Karbowiak> no it doesnt
[06:07] <12~Karbowiak> and i asked you fucks several hundred times to fix a feed for us
[06:07] <ander> and I said everytime that we dont have a feed available
[06:07] <12~Karbowiak> but everytime its been 'uh, maybe' 'uh, sure' 'no' 'maybe' 'yes'
[06:07] <ander> per policy
[06:07] <12~Karbowiak> thats a fucking retarded policy
[06:07] <12~Karbowiak> only fucking retards make up such a policy
[06:08] <ander> no it's not. we'd rather drive traffic to our own boards for killmail views and battle comparison atm
[06:08] <ander> be it spy hunting or other reasons
[06:08] <12~Karbowiak> but you still expect being able to get mails from other boards
[06:08] <12~Karbowiak> cause, the sharing only goes one way according to you
[06:09] <03+ESCBot> Eve-Arena Feed started...
[06:09] <03+ESCBot> Eve-Arena Feed ended - fetched 10 killmails, 0 new kills.
01[06:09] <Captain_Thunk> we don't synch with anyone
[06:10] <12~Karbowiak> can your board even sync?
01[06:10] <Captain_Thunk> no
[06:10] <12~Karbowiak> lol
[06:11] <12~Karbowiak> seriously, its fucking retarded that you send randomly generated mails to people
[06:11] <12~Karbowiak> esp. us
[06:11] <12~Karbowiak> if you didnt want us to fetch mails you could have said it
[06:11] <12~Karbowiak> instead of letting it cook up random mails
01[06:11] <Captain_Thunk> think thats why anders telling you as he's just found out, normally he wouldn't say anything and let them figure it out eventuallu
[06:12] <12~Karbowiak> yeah, but someone coded it
[06:12] <ander> I mean it's not all mails
[06:12] <12~Karbowiak> 1 is more than enough
[06:12] <ander> probably a majority of the mails didnt meet scrape score
01[06:12] <Captain_Thunk> yeah well, we're 15% srs bzns and 85% fucking with people, what do you expect? we just don't like scraping
[06:12] <12~Karbowiak> heh
[06:12] <12~Karbowiak> im 1% serious, 99% ban
[06:13] <ander> but I'd expect a mail here and there is injected for good measure
[06:13] <12~Karbowiak> but yeah, thanks for doing that
[06:13] <ander> Karbowiak: I work for a company that works on anti-scraping solutions
[06:13] <ander> try scraping yell.com and you'll see
[06:13] <12~Karbowiak> thanks for letting me know, and thanks for randomly injecting bogus data lol
01[06:13] <Captain_Thunk> D
[06:14] <ander> http://blockscraping.com/ <- welcome to the company I work for
[06:14] <12~Karbowiak> still a fucking retarded idea when its a fucking killboard we are talking about
01[06:14] <Captain_Thunk> a feed will be done eventually, but its not exactly high on the list because, we don't really often need to synch with any other boards
[06:14] <12~Karbowiak> like, amazingly fucking retarded
[06:14] <12~Karbowiak> whoever cooked up the idea of doing that to a killboard
[06:14] <12~Karbowiak> is a fucking moron
[06:14] <12~Karbowiak> like, immensly fucking retarded
[06:15] <12~Karbowiak> i can't even describe how huge a fucking douche the person is who cooked that shit up
[06:15] <12~Karbowiak> its killmails
[06:15] <12~Karbowiak> its not real life shitty fucking data
[06:15] <12~Karbowiak> ITS KILLMAILS
01[06:16] <Captain_Thunk> well, at least we warned you )
[06:16] <12~Karbowiak> still makes me think you are a bunch of fucking morons
[06:17] <ander> im sowwy
[06:18] <12~Karbowiak> in all honesty, i dont care
[06:18] <12~Karbowiak> but oh well
[06:19] <03+ESCBot> Wallet Update starting, cycle: 5 ip: 178.32.123.13:0
01[06:19] <Captain_Thunk> if I make a proper feed, can we be friends again?
[06:19] <ander> Karbowiak: if you are nice I'll provide a difflist since it's a static generated line based on a famous mathematical formula in our case
[06:20] <ander> but we dont really like when people scrape with no rate limit
[06:20] <ander> causing disruption etc
01[06:21] <Captain_Thunk> bear in mind Karbowiak, PL.com does get a disproportionate amount of attacks on it
[06:23] <12~Karbowiak> no rate limit, we fetched from the last fetched kllid, to the latest, lol.. and no dont bother
[06:23] <12~Karbowiak> if you wanna share your mails - you can suck my cock
[06:24] <12~Karbowiak> chances of getting anything out of it, besides some of my jizz - is doubtfull
01[06:25] <Captain_Thunk> lol
[06:25] <12~Karbowiak> you can always try Beans - he might be more cheerfull
01[06:26] <Captain_Thunk> no, I like a challenge
01[06:26] <Captain_Thunk> I'm sure its possible to restore the love between us
[06:27] <12~Karbowiak> :P
[06:28] <12~Karbowiak> so, you feed bogus mails once - and wont ever ever ever ever do it again, never ever!
[06:28] <12~Karbowiak> PL wont ever lie.. no sir
01[06:29] <Captain_Thunk> not to you no - else we just wouldn't have told you
[06:29] <12~Karbowiak> oh well - lemme know when you actually decide to make a feed
[06:29] <12~Karbowiak> or somehow share mails
01[06:29] <Captain_Thunk> will do )
01[06:30] <Captain_Thunk> I'll even make it edk compatible so it's no different your side
01[06:30] <Captain_Thunk> has it changed at all?
[06:30] <12~Karbowiak> doubtfull
01[06:30] <Captain_Thunk> kk
06[06:32] * Kalafork wonders what the best tactic would be to take a brutix through a lowsec pipe
[06:33] <Kalafork> just need the ship on the other end
[06:33] <Kalafork> in solitude
[06:35] <03+ESCBot> Cron API Fetch started on 470 boards.
[06:47] <03+ESCBot> Fetch Started on 799 feeds (Start kll_id=7076526)
[06:47] <03+ESCBot> Cron API Fetch ended.
[06:49] <03+ESCBot> 4Thanatos lost by 4AAZlo from BABYLON 5. (Green Alliance) - in 04-EHC(0.0)[Insmother] at 2010.07.22 17:18 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7195031
[06:49] <03+ESCBot> Wallet Update starting, cycle: 6 ip: 178.32.123.14:0
[07:03] <03+ESCBot> 9Rattlesnake lost by 9Lord Zithe from various Artists (None) - in Ichoriya(0.6)[Black Rise] at 2010.07.23 04:59 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7195174
[07:06] <ander> Karbowiak: dont scrape without permission again ;O
[07:09] <ander> you realise PL has a ton of security experts who implement systems that sometimes make funny stuff happen :P
[07:09] <03+ESCBot> Eve-Arena Feed started...
[07:09] <03+ESCBot> Eve-Arena Feed ended - fetched 2 killmails, 0 new kills.
02[07:12] * %ZigZagJoe (Ziggy@coldfront-B1F5DAC6.austin.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout)
[07:14] <12&Beansman> meh
[07:14] <12&Beansman> what a mess
[07:15] <12&Beansman> morning Karbowiak
[07:15] <12&Beansman> what a cheerfull log to wake up to
[07:15] <12&Beansman> 100 lines of rage
07[07:18] <12&Beansman> ander, Captain_Thunk
01[07:18] <Captain_Thunk> (
[07:18] <12&Beansman> morning
[07:19] <12~Karbowiak> lol
[07:19] <12~Karbowiak> i got up at 5:30 in the morning
[07:19] <12~Karbowiak> did you expect anything BUT rage ?
[07:19] <12&Beansman> haha
[07:19] <12&Beansman> i got up at 6
[07:19] <03+ESCBot> Wallet Update starting, cycle: 7 ip: 178.32.123.16:0
[07:19] <12~Karbowiak> i slept from 20:00 to 5:30 tho
[07:19] <12~Karbowiak> lol
[07:20] <12~Karbowiak> now im just waiting for Bjørn to wake up
01[07:20] <Captain_Thunk> ander and I are badboyz4lyfe or something, it's just we feel we're obligated to do stuff like this somehow
[07:20] <12~Karbowiak> so we can play Borderlands alllllllll day
01[07:20] <Captain_Thunk> nothing personal
07[07:20] <12&Beansman> Captain_Thunk: i see
[07:21] <12&Beansman> seems like we haven't added any kills from for ages, unless Karbowiak deleted them all
[07:21] <12~Karbowiak> i didnt
[07:21] <12~Karbowiak> and i stopped the feed some time ago
[07:22] <12&Beansman> fair
[07:22] <12~Karbowiak> after i ran for 16h straight
[07:22] <12&Beansman> last id is 6942785
[07:22] <12&Beansman> and we are at 7150000+
[07:22] <12&Beansman> almost 7.2m
[07:22] <12&Beansman> last kill is 1 month old
07[07:22] <12&Beansman> Captain_Thunk: any idea how long you've been injecting bogus data?
01[07:23] <Captain_Thunk> no clue and it's very random as to when or if it does it
01[07:24] <Captain_Thunk> idea being not to be immediately obvious
[07:24] <ander> I have the diff file
[07:24] <12&Beansman> k
[07:24] <12&Beansman> ander: any clever way to apply that?
[07:24] <ander> the id increment is based on an algorithm
[07:24] <ander> just need to re-fetch the id's I list :P
[07:24] <12&Beansman> and delete them?
[07:25] <ander> replace
[07:25] <12~Karbowiak> man, i wanna go to ComicCon
[07:25] <12&Beansman> kk
[07:25] <12~Karbowiak> http://www.cbs.com/comiccon2010/phot...-Con_2010/1/0/ signed autograph by Sheldon?
[07:25] <12~Karbowiak> oh hell yeah
[07:26] <03+PeterPowers> i'd prefer signed nudes by penny
[07:26] <12~Karbowiak> meh
[07:26] <12~Karbowiak> nude chicks you can get pretty much anywhere
[07:26] <12~Karbowiak> you can only get one Sheldon
[07:26] <12~Karbowiak>
[07:27] <03+PeterPowers> wait there is a new hawaii 5-0?
[07:27] <ander> the jew is funny
[07:27] <ander> he has the same facial expressions irl
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[07:28] <12~Karbowiak> you mean Howard
[07:28] <12~Karbowiak> :P
[07:28] <ander> yes Howard!
[07:28] <ander> the jew!
[07:28] <ander>
[07:28] <12~Karbowiak> Sheldon > *
[07:29] <12~Karbowiak> Sheldon > Chuck Norris
[07:29] <03+PeterPowers> i used to work with a guy who was exactly like sheldon
[07:29] <03+PeterPowers> trust me, its a curse
[07:29] <12~Karbowiak> Sheldon Cooper in a fight with Chuck Norris, would win by explaining String Theory to Chuck Norris, at which point Chuck Norris skull would implode due to the amount of information
[07:29] <12~Karbowiak> BOO YA
[07:30] <12~Karbowiak> or, rather
[07:30] <12~Karbowiak> Bazinga!
[07:31] <12~Karbowiak> and before you go 'wtf, implode? you fill shit into the skull'
[07:31] <12~Karbowiak> blackholes
[07:36] <12&Beansman> So ander, how do we go about this?
[07:41] <12~Karbowiak> http://kensegall.com/blog/2010/07/th...y+(observatory)
[07:41] <12~Karbowiak> lol
[07:44] <03+ESCBot> Fetch Ended - Fetched aprox. 418 (7076526 - 7076944)
[07:45] <03+ESCBot> 4Thanatos lost by 4Zizzo Untham from Infernal laboratory (Blind Octopus) - in Fageras(0.1)[Aridia] at 2010.07.22 21:00 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7195451
[07:49] <03+ESCBot> Wallet Update starting, cycle: 8 ip: 94.23.30.114:0
[08:02] <12&Beansman> anders
[08:02] <12&Beansman> ander
[08:02] <12&Beansman> meh
03[08:02] * Beansman sets mode: +v ander

23:15 <+ander> Karbowiak: if you do something without asking firt, you'll get the same dirty data like anyone else who scrapes us
23:15 <+ander> it's not like we have an exception for anyone who hasnt asked before
23:15 <~Karbowiak> all it would have taken was a *hey karbo, stop scraping us - we dont want that - thanks*
23:16 <+ander> Hey, we told you. I didnt see it until "AFTER" you had scraped us
23:16 <+ander> and you were all smug and going "PL killboard is going so slow! "
23:16 <+ander> I remember the time you specificly told us that and we were working on improving caching
23:17 <~Karbowiak> i might have said that when the board was being hammered at one point
23:17 <~Karbowiak> but that has no relevans in the whole feeding someone bogus data
23:17 <+ander> yeah.. I guess who was hammering it..
23:17 <~Karbowiak> was never us
23:17 <~Karbowiak> the script ran for about 5 seconds
23:17 <~Karbowiak> and it always ran during eve downtime
23:17 <~Karbowiak> taking from the last successfull killid to the next last successfull killid
23:18 <~Karbowiak> it never scraped from 0 to max
23:18 <~Karbowiak> that'd just be goddamn stupid
23:18 <~Karbowiak> and the times the PL board had been slow was during the evening
23:18 <~Karbowiak> and the whole 16hr thingy the other day
23:18 <+ander> you didnt ask, we have automatic systems
23:18 <~Karbowiak> was cause the script borked on itself
23:18 <~Karbowiak> and never died
23:18 <+ander> if your scraping was short, of course we didnt see it
23:18 <~Karbowiak> which is dumb as hell
23:18 <~Karbowiak> it was, and it was during downtime
23:18 <~Karbowiak> 12:15 or something
23:18 <+ander> it's an auto feed thing that decreases the scope of sql queries
23:18 <+ander> feeding limited data
23:19 <+ander> cutting off players on km
23:19 <+ander> or just giving in scope data
23:19 <+PeterPowers> cutting off players?
23:19 <+PeterPowers> you are modifying mails?
23:19 <+PeterPowers> shame on you

23:19 <~Karbowiak> shame on them indeed
23:19 <+ander> to decrease load when automated scrapers such as youdao scrapes without asking
23:19 <+ander> PeterPowers: only for automated scrapers
23:19 <+ander> who havent got permission
23:19 <+ander> not our fault really
23:19 <+PeterPowers> allright
23:20 <+PeterPowers> however if those feed system back to other machines in the exchange loops...
23:20 <+ander> we've had russians httracking our boards, we've got chinese youdao and every other bot known to man
23:20 <+ander> PeterPowers: then they better learn from their mistakes
23:20 <~Karbowiak> why not make the feed, hell i dont know
23:20 <~Karbowiak> hidden ?
23:20 <+ander> or ask for official permission
23:20 <~Karbowiak> or not there at all
23:21 <~Karbowiak> hell thats an idea
23:21 <~Karbowiak> not have it at all
23:21 <~Karbowiak> instead of having it
23:21 <+ander> cause we dont have a feed! we dont want to leech off traffic
23:21 <~Karbowiak> but rig it to feed shitty data
23:21 <+ander> there're reasons for our policy
23:21 <+PeterPowers> ander: thing is you poison people who get mails from them aswell, fucking up mails for alot more people then those retards
23:21 -!- Jopo [BLAH@coldfront-29D85C1E.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Jopo]
23:21 <~Karbowiak> you do have a feed
23:21 <~Karbowiak> https://www.pandemic-legion.com/kill...w_orig.php?id=
23:21 <~Karbowiak> have fun
23:21 <+PeterPowers> ander: better solution would be to 404 those tards
23:22 <~Karbowiak> but i see why it borked
23:22 <~Karbowiak> cause it was changed to the same way EDK shows the mails
23:22 <~Karbowiak> with the whole popup| etc.
23:22 <~Karbowiak> that explains why it ran for 16hrs
23:22 <~Karbowiak> lol
23:22 <~Karbowiak> but anyway, thats where we got the mails from in the first place
23:23 <~Karbowiak> you could always, i dont know - limit it to x number of viewings pr. ip. pr. hour
23:23 <~Karbowiak> instead of the scraping bullshit
23:23 <+ander> PeterPowers: or they could just follow our robots.txt
23:23 <+ander> we got a robots.txt which clearly disallows /killboard/
23:23 <~Karbowiak> we're not a bot
23:23 <~Karbowiak> but whatever
23:23 <+PeterPowers> ander: fuck them.. they dont, the problem is people who use THEM as source
23:24 <~Karbowiak> we already discussed it
23:24 <+PeterPowers> and feed back to like eve-kill for example
23:24 < Captain_Thunk> you should have just asked for a proper feed
23:24 <~Karbowiak> we did
23:24 <~Karbowiak> but everytime we did
23:24 < Captain_Thunk> when?
23:24 <+ander> and we said it was in the pipeline
23:24 <+PeterPowers> or to some stupid other board like razor or whatever
23:24 <~Karbowiak> it was *uhm, yeah - we might make that*
23:24 <+PeterPowers> which then feeds back to eve-kill
23:24 <+PeterPowers> or whatever
23:24 <~Karbowiak> *yeah we'll get around to it sometime*
23:24 <~Karbowiak> was back when OSHIT was still in PL
23:24 <~Karbowiak> and after
23:24 <~Karbowiak> and like a year ago
23:25 <+ander> Karbowiak: you're so pissed when battleclinic scrapes you, and dont give you credits
23:25 <~Karbowiak> and then someone found the view_orig.php?id= thingy
23:25 <~Karbowiak> and we just thought whatever
23:25 <~Karbowiak> they wont ever make a feed anyway
23:25 <+ander> but you think it's fine to scrape out of us and not even link back
23:25 <~Karbowiak> well, thats the thing
23:25 <~Karbowiak> i dont care if anyone uses our feed to fetch mails - what i care about is that they dont allow others to feed from them
23:25 <~Karbowiak> you dont fetch mails from us, thus i dont care if you would have said you didnt want to share mails with us
23:25 <+ander> we havent asked you to scrape us, or index. but you do it without asking in a sneaky way
23:26 <+ander> you dont link back or thank in any way
23:26 <~Karbowiak> you never said you didnt want us to either
23:26 <+ander> we got robots.txt
23:26 < Captain_Thunk> |
23:26 <+ander> it's pretty clear
23:26 <~Karbowiak> so you can play it around just as much as you want
23:26 <~Karbowiak> yeah, ok
23:26 <~Karbowiak> i check robots.txt on all websites i go to
23:26 <+ander> if you SCRAPE someone, you do it
23:26 <+ander> if you're a normal user, you dont
23:26 <~Karbowiak> its all part of my day to day thing
23:26 <~Karbowiak> oh google.com
23:26 <~Karbowiak> lets check googles robots.txt
23:27 <~Karbowiak> either way, it doesnt matter
23:27 <~Karbowiak> dont bother making a feed for our sake
23:27 <~Karbowiak> even if you did i wouldnt trust it to not feed shitty data
23:27 <~Karbowiak> lol
23:28 <~Karbowiak> oh and Top Gear was released not long ago
23:28 <~Karbowiak> incase you missed it
23:32 <+ander> "hey we scrape people and steal traffic, but bohoo we whine when we get caught"
23:32 <~Karbowiak> lol
23:33 <+ander> well, it's accurate
23:33 <+ander> you get caught with your pants down , simple as that
23:33 <~Karbowiak> thats true
23:33 <+ander> if you had bothered to ask, it's different.
23:33 <~Karbowiak> im not saying its not - but its still dumb doing it
23:33 <+ander> we'd have asked for simple stuff as linkback if you use our data
23:34 <~Karbowiak> killmails, your data ?
23:34 <~Karbowiak> its all CCPs data
23:34 <+ander> it's our data if we chose to present it
23:34 <+ander> want to check the lawbook?
23:35 <~Karbowiak> that requires effort
23:35 <~Karbowiak> and im all outa effort
23:35 <~Karbowiak> but look at it a different way
23:36 <+ander> I'll point you in right direction, even if data sources is from
copyrighted thirdparties. a representation of database collected data belongs to whoever made the effort to collect it by EU law
23:36 <~Karbowiak> the amount of data we used on scraping the mails from you, wasn't spend by others trying to scrape it
23:36 <+ander> I really cant make out what you tried to say there
23:36 <+ander> but no matter, we dont really care for the copyright or shit like that
23:36 <~Karbowiak> i never talked about copyright
23:36 <+ander> if people want to copy our mails on individual basis, be my guest
23:37 <~Karbowiak> again, you're trying to move more into it than there really is
23:37 <+ander> but scraping usage of cpu power , slowing down system etc
23:37 <~Karbowiak> wow
23:37 <+ander> without asking we'll do what we can to prevent and deter it
23:37 <+ander> it's not our fault you got caught with your pants down with injected data
23:37 <~Karbowiak> rite
23:37 <~Karbowiak> people wants PL mails
23:37 <~Karbowiak> but PL dont have a feed
23:37 <~Karbowiak> but people realize EVE-KILL has PL mails
23:37 <~Karbowiak> where do people fetch PL mails from ?
23:37 <~Karbowiak> thats right
23:38 <~Karbowiak> EVE-KILL
23:38 <~Karbowiak> where dont they fetch PL mails form?
23:38 <~Karbowiak> oh thats right
23:38 <~Karbowiak> PL
23:38 <~Karbowiak> thus
23:38 <~Karbowiak> np
23:38 <+ander> we didnt ask you to steal views
23:38 <+ander> we "like" traffic
23:38 <~Karbowiak> steal views..
23:38 <~Karbowiak> you dont gain shit from views
23:38 <~Karbowiak> you just gain a slower shittier board
23:38 <+ander> Im saying, we like traffic.
23:39 <~Karbowiak> why whine about us using your traffic then?
23:39 <~Karbowiak> thats like, whining about air
23:39 <+ander> cause we dont like anyone taking mails
23:39 <~Karbowiak> but you still breathe it
23:39 <+ander> to reproduce elsewhere
23:39 <~Karbowiak> wow
23:39 <+ander> where we cannot control it or gain linkbacks
23:39 <~Karbowiak> ok heres an idea
23:39 <~Karbowiak> we both just shut up about it
23:39 <~Karbowiak> cause i dont care
23:39 <~Karbowiak> and you care too much
23:39 <+ander> anyway, if you want clean mails you better ask nicely
23:39 <~Karbowiak> and you care so much you try and involve alot of dumb things into it
23:39 <~Karbowiak> that doesnt have any relevans
23:39 <~Karbowiak> thats not up to me
23:40 <~Karbowiak> its up to Beans
23:40 <~Karbowiak> my trust to PL went out the door
23:40 <+ander> like we care what people think of us
23:40 <+ander> the more people hate us, the better
23:40 < Captain_Thunk> even PL doesn't trust PL
23:40 < Captain_Thunk> (pretty sure anders a spy)
23:40 <+ander> ´c
23:40 <+ander> I spy for IT
23:40 < Captain_Thunk> I KNEW it
23:40 <+ander> and make life difficult for PL and make eve-kill hate us
23:41 <+ander> so eve-kill can be best friends with IT instead
23:41 <~Karbowiak> ohnoes
23:41 <+ander> and laugh lots at PL
23:41 <~Karbowiak> no we are making up conspiracy theories
23:41 <~Karbowiak> now we *
23:41 <+ander> if we wanted to save resources, do you think we'd link PL killboard
23:41 <+ander> no - we WANT incoming traffic
23:42 <+ander> it's good to build statistics, and CCP likes it
23:42 <~Karbowiak> you still end up saying you dont want us to use your resources
23:42 <+ander> yeah. I dont want YOU to use it
23:42 <+ander> I want real USERS to use it
23:42 <~Karbowiak> *sigh*
23:42 <~Karbowiak> just forget it
23:42 <+ander> if I can chose between 16million pageviews by different users , and 16million pageviews by ONE user
23:42 <~Karbowiak> we wont feed your mails
23:42 <~Karbowiak> ever again
23:42 <+ander> I'll pick 16million users
23:43 <+ander> "oh noes" , you can continue removing peoples npc killmails on the boards then..
23:43 <~Karbowiak> yes
23:43 <~Karbowiak> i'll go do that
23:43 <~Karbowiak> all day long
23:44 <~Karbowiak> you're being pretty dumb about all of this i might say
23:44 <~Karbowiak> cause, i actually dont care
23:44 <~Karbowiak> even remotely
23:46 <+ander> I'd be happier if you removed all PL mails from eve-kill, k?
47 <~Karbowiak> lol
23:47 <~Karbowiak> you do know, theres two mails being generated right ?
23:47 <~Karbowiak> one for killer and one for loser
23:47 <~Karbowiak> so basically, you dont own shit
23:47 <+ESCBot> Fetch Ended - Fetched aprox. 945 (7099365 - 7100310)
23:47 <~Karbowiak> two people do
23:47 <~Karbowiak> and in reality
23:47 <~Karbowiak> CCP owns everything
23:47 <~Karbowiak>
23:47 < Captain_Thunk> which is why we dont need to feed or be scraped
23:47 <+ander> whatever, majority of the people we kill are people who are too emberassed to post killmails.
23:47 < FlyBoy> is it "your" data because your guy got the final blow? or because your pilots are on there? if the latter, then it's MY data too
23:48 <+ander> heck majority in eve are retarded idiots who die to a bunch of misfits like PL
23:48 <+ander> but we'll happily ask you to remove any mail you scraped from us, whatever other sources you have we dont care about
23:48 <+ander> stop scraping, remove unclean data and we'll be satisfied
23:48 <~Karbowiak> lol
23:48 <~Karbowiak> how about, np
23:48 <~Karbowiak> no *
23:49 <+ander> then have fun with the bad data I'll gladly keep feeding injected data to you.
23:49 <~Karbowiak> that said, we havnt used the feed from PL since it borked the other day
23:49 <~Karbowiak> so its not really an issue
23:49 < Captain_Thunk> probably best you dont fix it
23:51 <~Karbowiak> i sense anger
23:51 <~Karbowiak>

00:45 -!- mazzilliu [mazzilliu@coldfront-CA9A9FA5.ec.res.rr.com] has joined #esc
00:50 <+ESCBot> Wallet Update starting, cycle: 6 ip: 178.32.123.14:0
00:54 <~Karbowiak> sup mazzilliu
00:55 < mazzilliu> hi there
00:55 < mazzilliu> whats up
00:55 <~Karbowiak> the sky i hope
00:55 < mazzilliu> ok
00:55 < mazzilliu> i heard this channel is a lot of fun
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00:55 <~Karbowiak> lots of rage going on here for sure
00:56 < mazzilliu> yes i expect there will be a lot more rage soon
00:56 < mazzilliu> so im getting in ahead of time
00:56 < mazzilliu> 8)
00:56 <~Karbowiak> win
00:57 <~Karbowiak> the more rage, the better
00:57 < mazzilliu> yes
00:58 < mazzilliu> how far back in time did you scrape pl killboards anyways?
01:00 <~Karbowiak> hmm
01:00 <~Karbowiak> think the feed ran for the past 4 months
01:00 < mazzilliu> 4 months of killmails ahahahahaa
01:00 <~Karbowiak> when we started it, it started from latest kll_id that same day
01:00 <~Karbowiak> then 3hours later it ran from that kll_id to the latest at that time
01:01 <~Karbowiak> meh
01:01 <~Karbowiak> apparently it might have given bogus mails, and it might not have
01:01 <~Karbowiak> either way its dumb as hell that you guys even have such a system in place - but i
guess that has been discussed more than enough already
01:01 < mazzilliu> greifed
01:01 <~Karbowiak> unless you wanna invite ander into the conversation so you can continue it
01:02 < mazzilliu> well you said his name now i bet he's been pinged
01:02 <~Karbowiak> sorta my plan

01:02 < mazzilliu> i hope you tagged all the PL mails that you got otherwise lawl
01:03 < mazzilliu> if you can't delete them
01:03 <~Karbowiak> probably did
01:04 <+Femaref> what system?
01:04 <+Femaref> PL supplying wrong mails?
01:04 <~Karbowiak> yep
01:05 <+Femaref> I loled
01:05 < mazzilliu> i should implement specially tagged killmails for us to produce so that i can
easily search to see who scrapes killmails, and mock them
01:06 <~Karbowiak> you should, if you wanted to become even more dumb
01:06 <~Karbowiak> but yeah, go for it
01:06 < mazzilliu> i've always wanted to be even more dumb
01:06 <~Karbowiak> didnt really think that was possible, untill you got into the CSM
01:06 <~Karbowiak> but i digress
01:07 < mazzilliu> by the way you didn't give me your api key when you applied for snigg
01:07 < mazzilliu> how can we take your application seriously if you dont contribute to my spy project
01:07 <~Karbowiak> come on, its PL
01:08 <~Karbowiak> wouldn't suprice me if you had you forum write all passwords into the database in
plaintext
01:08 <~Karbowiak> just so you could start poking at loggin into peoples accounts/email/whatever

01:08 < mazzilliu> oshit might not care about api keys or any security measure when you applied to
them but in sniggerdly we take our recruitment standards seriously
01:08 <~Karbowiak> taking PL seriously, is like getting an enema
01:09 <~Karbowiak> you dont like either of it
01:09 <~Karbowiak> unless you're gay
01:10 < Captain_Thunk> I'm gay
01:10 < mazzilliu> PL is full of proud gays
01:10 <+ESCBot> Eve-Arena Feed ended - fetched 3 killmails, 1 new kills.
01:10 <~Karbowiak> im so happy for you all
01:10 < mazzilliu> saying that is like going to a gay pride march and calling us faggots. we're hurt
by your inappropriate remarks
01:13 <~Karbowiak> sowwy
01:13 <~Karbowiak> but honestly, i dont care
01:19 <+ESCBot> Proteus lost by Xanathos from Blue Sun Enterprises (Unknown) - in Horkkisen(0.4)[The
Citadel] at 2010.07.26 23:17 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7228469
01:20 < mazzilliu> the gay community in PL is not going to be happy to hear that
01:20 <+ESCBot> Wallet Update starting, cycle: 7 ip: 178.32.123.16:0
01:20 < mazzilliu> we have been oppressed long enough
01:20 <~Karbowiak> ruhroh
01:20 <~Karbowiak> so mazzilliu
01:20 <~Karbowiak> dont have anything better to do ?
01:21 < mazzilliu> i do many things at once
01:22 < mazzilliu> so this is not the only thing i am doing
01:23 <~Karbowiak> i see

01:23 <~Karbowiak> yey, one servers expiration date moved - now for the other one.. zzz
01:26 < mazzilliu> i hope you dont mind me scraping your site for names
01:26 <~Karbowiak> names, pilot names ?
01:27 < mazzilliu> yeah
01:27 <~Karbowiak> theres an easier way, lol
01:27 < mazzilliu> how?
01:27 <~Karbowiak> i'll let you figure it out
01:27 <~Karbowiak> but go ahead, scrape all you want
01:28 < mazzilliu> lol
01:28 <~Karbowiak> dont think i didnt expect something like this beforehand, lol
01:28 <~Karbowiak> all parts of the board is rigged at x number of pageviews pr. ip, pr. hour
01:29 <~Karbowiak> but you can get around that by using multiple IPs - so no biggie
01:29 < mazzilliu> now im gonna get mad that you have rate limits
01:29 <~Karbowiak> ohnoes
01:29 <~Karbowiak> atleast i dont give out bogus data
01:29 < mazzilliu> you should feed false data instead of rate limit
01:29 < mazzilliu> its much better that way
01:29 <~Karbowiak> im sure
01:30 <~Karbowiak> only retards thing that way tho
01:30 <~Karbowiak> think *
01:30 < mazzilliu> muahahha

01:34 <~Karbowiak> lolol
01:35 < FlyBoy> 404
01:35 < mazzilliu> 4 0 4
01:35 <~Karbowiak> agh
01:35 <~Karbowiak> it was funny tho

01:45 <~Karbowiak> you getting alot of names scraped mazzilliu ?
01:45 < mazzilliu> i got all i need already thanks
01:45 <~Karbowiak> that wasnt alot
01:45 <~Karbowiak> never even saw you touch the server
01:45 < mazzilliu> cause im stealthy like a ninja
01:46 <~Karbowiak> you must be
01:46 <~Karbowiak> whatever happened to xxAngelxx btw ?
01:47 <~Karbowiak> did her mass finaly get the better of her?
01:47 < mazzilliu> she's not using the internet for now, doing stuff in real life instead
02:11 <~Karbowiak> amazing how many fags have begun posting fake mails since yesterday
02:12 <~Karbowiak> think we've banned atleast 15 IPs today
02:12 <~Karbowiak> somehow think thats just the start of it, lol.. right mazzilliu ?
02:13 < mazzilliu> i wouldnt dream of causing greif to another human being
02:13 <~Karbowiak> funny how it all started right after ander and Captain_Thunk told bout the whole
'feeding bogus mails' to us
02:13 <~Karbowiak> and even funnier, how you're now here
02:13 < mazzilliu> its a conspiracy
02:13 <~Karbowiak> it must be
02:14 <~Karbowiak> simply has to be, theres no other explanation
02:14 * Karbowiak bites his nails in anticipation for the next move
02:14 < mazzilliu> how do you filter fake mails pulled from the boards which have feeders?
02:14 < mazzilliu> i am just curious
02:14 <~Karbowiak> so i heard something bout more emorage incoming
02:14 <~Karbowiak> i dont rly see much more rage
02:14 <~Karbowiak> and we actually dont
02:15 <~Karbowiak> we let people report mails and delete them if they spot a fake - works fine

02:15 < mazzilliu> perhaps it will be my turn to emorage when people start posting fake mazzilliu
lossmails
02:16 <~Karbowiak> why would you care, you use the PL board - right ?
02:16 < mazzilliu> my kill death ratio is very important to me
02:16 <~Karbowiak> sure it is
02:16 < mazzilliu> on all killboards
02:16 < mazzilliu> it's a matter of honour
02:17 < FlyBoy> DAMN YOU SUBWAY COMMERCIALS TEASING ME WITH THE CUBAN PULLED PORK WHEN THE BACK WOODS
SUBWAY HERE IS OUT OF STOCK!!
02:17 < FlyBoy> ok, there's my emorage for the day
02:18 <~Karbowiak> :e-honour:

(6:23:42 PM) mazzilliu: (6:22:38 PM) Karbowiak: right
(6:23:42 PM) mazzilliu: (6:22:54 PM) Karbowiak: feeding of boards disabled, and manual posting of mails disabled - thanks PL
(6:23:42 PM) mazzilliu: (6:22:55 PM) Karbowiak: lol
(6:23:42 PM) mazzilliu: (6:23:14 PM) Karbowiak: least you've now given me a reason to figure something out with the feed
(6:23:45 PM) mazzilliu: lmao
(6:23:50 PM) mazzilliu: we essentially shut down eve-kill
(6:23:53 PM) Elektrea: raped
(6:24:19 PM) Terribad: wolololol
(6:24:37 PM) Terribad: ~API-verified~

(7:58:03 PM) Karbowiak: awww
(7:58:05 PM) Karbowiak: this is cute
(7:58:05 PM) Karbowiak: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard...readID=1360098
(7:58:12 PM) Karbowiak: PL whining on CAOD

(6:44:50 PM) Karbowiak: man this is so annoying
(6:45:49 PM) Karbowiak: so, apparently visits went from ~50k daily down to 30-35k daily
(6:45:56 PM) Karbowiak: all due to the massive amount of fake mails, gotta love that
(6:46:12 PM) Karbowiak: plus the people that have jumped ship - and started hosting their own
(6:46:25 PM) Karbowiak: all cause a bunch of fucking fags thought it'd be funny to shit up something alot of people use
(6:46:27 PM) Karbowiak: gotta love that